Back to back wins > Cup
- HB77

If only the entire game was played 3 on 3...

He’s been good but not great. Can’t think of a better option though.

And you leave my BBC the (frank) alone. 😡
- Wildschwein

😂
Sorry bro. I’ll keep my hands off.

Saw that proposal on twitter yesterday and all the oiler fans freaked.
Think I was the only guy who said hell yea

Leafs wouldn’t do it tho.

If only the entire game was played 3 on 3...
- ghostofRC

It’s our wheelhouse!
But as soon we get into depth territory.....fuked

Do you want to get cut?

Because you’re posting like a man who wants to get cut.
- Wildschwein

I'm not an advocate for this move. But it's what they do. Chia gonna Chia.

😂
Sorry bro. I’ll keep my hands off.

Saw that proposal on twitter yesterday and all the oiler fans freaked.
Think I was the only guy who said hell yea

Leafs wouldn’t do it tho.
- HB77

The 1 extra year of entry level contract is worth more than Nurse alone. Chia better toss in a 1st.

I'm not an advocate for this move. But it's what they do. Chia gonna Chia.
- wreckage

I'm not an advocate for this move. But it's what they do. Chia gonna Chia.
- wreckage

Touché.

*puts knife away*

😂
Sorry bro. I’ll keep my hands off.

Saw that proposal on twitter yesterday and all the oiler fans freaked.
Think I was the only guy who said hell yea

Leafs wouldn’t do it tho.
- HB77

I think a reasonable argument can be made either way.

On the one hand, Marner is a young, elite winger with exceptional hands and the skill to help drive a line. He'd bring greater offensive upside to the team than any forward not named McDavid or Draisaitl and fit in well with the team's core age. We also have sufficient LHD to absorb the loss of a guy like Nurse in the short term (assuming Sekera returns) and Jones may be able to replace him long term.

On the other hand, Nurse has finally put his game together and is looking like a legitimate, 22 year old two-way top-4 guy. He's likely going to cost at least 2mil less per year against the cap than Marner will. Gotta ask how we afford Marner on top of our 21mil dollar wonder twins and the boat anchor without losing all manner of depth. We also finally have some degree of D depth and we'd be surrendering it pretty quick in pursuit of the offense we gave up in the Hall for Larsson trade.

Considering my philosophy coming out of the Hall trade was how much more valuable a top-4 Dman was to a winning team than a winger could be then accepting this trade would require one of four things:

1.) the gap in value between Marner and Nurse is significant enough to negate that belief (I don't think it is)

2.) I believe our D corps deep enough to absorb a loss of Nurse both short term and long term (close, but not quite)

3.) Marner has successfully played and produced as a C in the NHL for a good stretch (he hasn't and doesn't figure to) or

4.) I've now doubled-back on my stance of Dmen's value over wingers (most definitely not)

As none of these hold true for me, it makes it a pretty easy decline for me- especially when factoring cap calculations into the picture.



TL;DR = I wouldn't make that trade.

I think a reasonable argument can be made either way.

On the one hand, Marner is a young, elite winger with exceptional hands and the skill to help drive a line. He'd bring greater offensive upside to the team than any forward not named McDavid or Draisaitl and fit in well with the team's core age. We also have sufficient LHD to absorb the loss of a guy like Nurse in the short term (assuming Sekera returns) and Jones may be able to replace him long term.

On the other hand, Nurse has finally put his game together and is looking like a legitimate, 22 year old two-way top-4 guy. He's likely going to cost at least 2mil less per year against the cap than Marner will. Gotta ask how we afford Marner on top of our 21mil dollar wonder twins and the boat anchor without losing all manner of depth. We also finally have some degree of D depth and we'd be surrendering it pretty quick in pursuit of the offense we gave up in the Hall for Larsson trade.

Considering my philosophy coming out of the Hall trade was how much more valuable a top-4 Dman was to a winning team than a winger could be then accepting this trade would require one of four things:

1.) the gap in value between Marner and Nurse is significant enough to negate that belief (I don't think it is)

2.) I believe our D corps deep enough to absorb a loss of Nurse both short term and long term (close, but not quite)

3.) Marner has successfully played and produced as a C in the NHL for a good stretch (he hasn't and doesn't figure to) or

4.) I've now doubled-back on my stance of Dmen's value over wingers (most definitely not)

As none of these hold true for me, it makes it a pretty easy decline for me- especially when factoring cap calculations into the picture.



TL;DR = I wouldn't make that trade.
- MaximumBone

Yup.

😂
Sorry bro. I’ll keep my hands off.

Saw that proposal on twitter yesterday and all the oiler fans freaked.
Think I was the only guy who said hell yea

Leafs wouldn’t do it tho.
- HB77

Leafs wouldn't do it? Maybe you're forgetting what a defenseman costs these days? A guy who has shown as of late that he is more than capable of handling a role in the top 4 on our D? A 6'4 beast that skates like the wind, hits, fights, and can move the puck.

I personally would be livid if we chose to move on from Nurse at this point. Why bother developing players, and then right when they're on the cusp of putting it all together, move on from them? The guy is still only 22 and has only played 129 games in the regular season in the NHL. That would be horrible player and asset management.

Marner is good 2nd line RW, that could probably be a top liner one day, but as of right now he's not there yet. He is going through a bit of a sophomore slump.

Top 4 dman> Top 6 winger in trade value

Keep the BBC

I think a reasonable argument can be made either way.

On the one hand, Marner is a young, elite winger with exceptional hands and the skill to help drive a line. He'd bring greater offensive upside to the team than any forward not named McDavid or Draisaitl and fit in well with the team's core age. We also have sufficient LHD to absorb the loss of a guy like Nurse in the short term (assuming Sekera returns) and Jones may be able to replace him long term.

On the other hand, Nurse has finally put his game together and is looking like a legitimate, 22 year old two-way top-4 guy. He's likely going to cost at least 2mil less per year against the cap than Marner will. Gotta ask how we afford Marner on top of our 21mil dollar wonder twins and the boat anchor without losing all manner of depth. We also finally have some degree of D depth and we'd be surrendering it pretty quick in pursuit of the offense we gave up in the Hall for Larsson trade.

Considering my philosophy coming out of the Hall trade was how much more valuable a top-4 Dman was to a winning team than a winger could be then accepting this trade would require one of four things:

1.) the gap in value between Marner and Nurse is significant enough to negate that belief (I don't think it is)

2.) I believe our D corps deep enough to absorb a loss of Nurse both short term and long term (close, but not quite)

3.) Marner has successfully played and produced as a C in the NHL for a good stretch (he hasn't and doesn't figure to) or

4.) I've now doubled-back on my stance of Dmen's value over wingers (most definitely not)

As none of these hold true for me, it makes it a pretty easy decline for me- especially when factoring cap calculations into the picture.



TL;DR = I wouldn't make that trade.
- MaximumBone

Sooo... Puljujarvi?
- Wildschwein

This might be outside the box, but what about Iginla? He has skill, is a vet, however, I doubt that his body will be able to keep up. Either way, he ain't gonna cost us assets. Put him on the third line Sign him to a 1-year deal at most and you still keep Pulj in the AHL.


Maroon-McD-LD
Luc-RNH-Jewels
JJ-Strome-Iginla
Pak-Letetsu-Kassian

Any thoughts on that?

I think a reasonable argument can be made either way.

On the one hand, Marner is a young, elite winger with exceptional hands and the skill to help drive a line. He'd bring greater offensive upside to the team than any forward not named McDavid or Draisaitl and fit in well with the team's core age. We also have sufficient LHD to absorb the loss of a guy like Nurse in the short term (assuming Sekera returns) and Jones may be able to replace him long term.

On the other hand, Nurse has finally put his game together and is looking like a legitimate, 22 year old two-way top-4 guy. He's likely going to cost at least 2mil less per year against the cap than Marner will. Gotta ask how we afford Marner on top of our 21mil dollar wonder twins and the boat anchor without losing all manner of depth. We also finally have some degree of D depth and we'd be surrendering it pretty quick in pursuit of the offense we gave up in the Hall for Larsson trade.

Considering my philosophy coming out of the Hall trade was how much more valuable a top-4 Dman was to a winning team than a winger could be then accepting this trade would require one of four things:

1.) the gap in value between Marner and Nurse is significant enough to negate that belief (I don't think it is)

2.) I believe our D corps deep enough to absorb a loss of Nurse both short term and long term (close, but not quite)

3.) Marner has successfully played and produced as a C in the NHL for a good stretch (he hasn't and doesn't figure to) or

4.) I've now doubled-back on my stance of Dmen's value over wingers (most definitely not)

As none of these hold true for me, it makes it a pretty easy decline for me- especially when factoring cap calculations into the picture.



TL;DR = I wouldn't make that trade.
- MaximumBone

Agreed.
Plus I'd rather see us develop and KEEP defensive depth in the long run. I'm a guy that values seeing a team built based on a defensive core and therefore am totally against moving Nurse at the moment. Looks like he has finally developed a good sense of defensive risk assessment and awareness.

In a few years running (2?), you could see a defense consisting of Klefbom (top2), Sekera, Larsson, Nurse, Bennings, Jones (if he can establish himself), and Bear (if he can establish himself). I think that is when we might be interested in trading away defensive assets if a good deal comes by. At that case, Sekera would be the first to go, then Nurse, unless Nurse takes a huge leap in development and becomes capable of top 2 minutes (I don't think so, but hope he proves me wrong). Hopefully, Russell will be bought out at that point.

This might be outside the box, but what about Iginla? He ain't gonna cost us assets. Sign him to a 1-year deal at most and you still keep Pulj in the AHL.

Any thoughts on that?
- EdmHockeyMan

He doesn’t make any impact for us

He doesn’t make any impact for us
- HB77

Idk, he is a RW (which we need depth wise), has skill (which we need on the right side), and what other choice do we have other than bringing up Pulj or making a trade?

My only worry is that he will fatigue quickly, but I assume McL will limit his minutes to 10-maybe 15 a night? I say it's worth a shot.

Leafs wouldn't do it? Maybe you're forgetting what a defenseman costs these days? A guy who has shown as of late that he is more than capable of handling a role in the top 4 on our D? A 6'4 beast that skates like the wind, hits, fights, and can move the puck.

I personally would be livid if we chose to move on from Nurse at this point. Why bother developing players, and then right when they're on the cusp of putting it all together, move on from them? The guy is still only 22 and has only played 129 games in the regular season in the NHL. That would be horrible player and asset management.

Marner is good 2nd line RW, that could probably be a top liner one day, but as of right now he's not there yet. He is going through a bit of a sophomore slump.

Top 4 dman> Top 6 winger in trade value

Keep the BBC
- Ihatebrianburke

Marner put up 61 as a rook.
He’s only 20.

His upside is even higher than nurse’s imo. Loving nurses game right now, but I still don’t believe he’s ever anything more than a 2 way 2nd pairing guy. And I’m not sure he’s got the pp chops to ever put up any eye popping numbers.
Where marner undoubtedly has the chops to be a first line 70-80 point forward

Plus - he’s still got another season on elc.
He can drive a line and adds huge depth beyond the Matthews /nylander line.

I doubt Toronto would do it

Plus, it’s a classic case of buy low -
Sell high

A month ago, nurse wouldn’t even be considered for the likes of marner. But since marner is struggling abit as u say and nurse has figured a few things out— it’s at least plausible

I kinda get where max was coming from as far as what he’ll cost later- but yeah, this never ending cost analysis of never acquiring players that are “too good” is abit silly imo

End of the day- I think a high talent scorer on the right side is exactly what this team needs to get to where we hoped it would be.

Having puju and yammy is nice, but neither are sure things and we need help now. But I totally see the reticence.

Finally get a little momentum going and they give us a 10am game on Saturday.

Marner put up 61 as a rook.
He’s only 20.

His upside is even higher than nurse’s imo. Loving nurses game right now, but I still don’t believe he’s ever anything more than a 2 way 2nd pairing guy. And I’m not sure he’s got the pp chops to ever put up any eye popping numbers.
Where marner undoubtedly has the chops to be a first line 70-80 point forward

Plus - he’s still got another season on elc.
He can drive a line and adds huge depth beyond the Matthews /nylander line.

I doubt Toronto would do it

Plus, it’s a classic case of buy low -
Sell high

A month ago, nurse wouldn’t even be considered for the likes of marner. But since marner is struggling abit as u say and nurse has figured a few things out— it’s at least plausible

I kinda get where max was coming from as far as what he’ll cost later- but yeah, this never ending cost analysis of never acquiring players that are “too good” is abit silly imo

End of the day- I think a high talent scorer on the right side is exactly what this team needs to get to where we hoped it would be.

Having puju and yammy is nice, but neither are sure things and we need help now. But I totally see the reticence.
- HB77

Marner is one hell of a player. Super talented, but I don't think he's the right fit for this team, and especially not at the cost of Nurse. Plus Marner is a guy that needs the puck on his stick to be effective. He's not gonna get that on a line with McDavid. I think we need to spend our assets on more of a triggerman than another set up man. Perhaps Marchessault or Neal out of Vegas if they're wanting more picks and prospects.

Finally get a little momentum going and they give us a 10am game on Saturday.
- Oildrum

A) They're accustomed to EST at this point.

B) It's 1pm.

C) The schedule was made months ahead of this one game. You know that. Don't be dumb.

This might be outside the box, but what about Iginla? He has skill, is a vet, however, I doubt that his body will be able to keep up. Either way, he ain't gonna cost us assets. Put him on the third line Sign him to a 1-year deal at most and you still keep Pulj in the AHL.


Maroon-McD-LD
Luc-RNH-Jewels
JJ-Strome-Iginla
Pak-Letetsu-Kassian

Any thoughts on that?
- EdmHockeyMan

Your plan is to sign about the only player who could possibly make us a slower team? Genius

Your plan is to sign about the only player who could possibly make us a slower team? Genius
- MaximumBone

This is what I was thinking.

We’re not a fast team already...

https://www.nhl.com/news/...0-confirmed-dead/c-674099

you guys remember this?

Your plan is to sign about the only player who could possibly make us a slower team? Genius
- MaximumBone

This is what I was thinking.

We’re not a fast team already...
- HB77

Pulj it is then.
Unless Chia can whip up a wizard trade.

Either way, it was just an outside the box idea, but I guess his lack of foot speed and stamina overshadow whatever he could possibly bring in, which I completely understand.

A) They're accustomed to EST at this point.

B) It's 1pm.

C) The schedule was made months ahead of this one game. You know that. Don't be dumb.
- FransNielson

You're (frank)ing retarded. (frank) off. He was referring to the fact that we play like poop in day games. (frank) you're stupid!!!

https://www.nhl.com/news/oilers-prospect-pelss-20-confirmed-dead/c-674099

you guys remember this?
- FransNielson

(frank) off