I knew I'd get in trouble for that one
- mgriffen

If the Flyers can rid themselves of Gudas and Macdonald, then I'd agree with you. Ghostisbehere, Sanheim and Provorov are a nice foundation.

Bah. Gudas is very good.

I'll take a stibbidy stab just to liven things up

Ducks, Sharks, Wild, Flames, Jets, Sens, Flyers, Preds, Bolts, Kings, Canes, Blues, Hawks, Rangers, BJs

Whatcha all think?
- mgriffen

Hawks 😮

James Tanner: Coyotes Set NHL Record....
- James_Tanner

In a perfect world Chayka would get 5 or 6 years to show what he's got. I would be surprised if he got a 3rd.

A little tip for you:

If you are trying to convince people that the Coyotes have a super-awesome defence, it's probably better to leave the name Schen (sic) out of your argument.
- Atomic Wedgie

You're already one of the most annoying people this site has to offer, you shouldn't make it worse by saying things like "a little tip for you." Its just embarrassing.

I'll take a stibbidy stab just to liven things up

Ducks, Sharks, Wild, Flames, Jets, Sens, Flyers, Preds, Bolts, Kings, Canes, Blues, Hawks, Rangers, BJs

Whatcha all think?
- mgriffen

You missed the Flames, probably the best blue line in the NHL. Predators, Flames and Ducks, but after that, Arizona's is pretty good. Not alot of teams have Goligoski as their #5 and people can say what they want about Luke Schenn, he's miles better than most team's #6.

OEL and Demers is an elite top pairing, Hjallmarsson one of best defensive dmen and Chychrun as your #4 is also way better than the vast majority of teams have.

They've played 20 games, and in 12 of those games they were missing two of their top four Dmen, so I think it's pretty dumb to act like they don't have a good blue line just because their record is bad.

You're making the mistake in thinking that "having the best defense" is restricted to the six guys with the "defensemen" title. A good defense takes 19 guys every single night (the backup goaltender probably doesn't contribute much). Arizona's defense is currently the worst in the NHL.

You missed the Flames, probably the best blue line in the NHL. Predators, Flames and Ducks, but after that, Arizona's is pretty good. Not alot of teams have Goligoski as their #5 and people can say what they want about Luke Schenn, he's miles better than most team's #6.

OEL and Demers is an elite top pairing, Hjallmarsson one of best defensive dmen and Chychrun as your #4 is also way better than the vast majority of teams have.

They've played 20 games, and in 12 of those games they were missing two of their top four Dmen, so I think it's pretty dumb to act like they don't have a good blue line just because their record is bad.
- james_tanner1

Flames were in my list. On paper Arizona looks pretty good, OEL and Jhalmerson seem to be having pretty dismal starts. Goligogski and Demers are decent complimentary d men, but I don't see how Demers can be the Stralman to your Hedman.

You're already one of the most annoying people this site has to offer, you shouldn't make it worse by saying things like "a little tip for you." Its just embarrassing.
- james_tanner1

You missed the Flames, probably the best blue line in the NHL. Predators, Flames and Ducks, but after that, Arizona's is pretty good. Not alot of teams have Goligoski as their #5 and people can say what they want about Luke Schenn, he's miles better than most team's #6.

OEL and Demers is an elite top pairing, Hjallmarsson one of best defensive dmen and Chychrun as your #4 is also way better than the vast majority of teams have.

They've played 20 games, and in 12 of those games they were missing two of their top four Dmen, so I think it's pretty dumb to act like they don't have a good blue line just because their record is bad.
- james_tanner1

He put Flames.

Also you just called Goligoski a #5 and Chychryn (however you spell it) a #4 then go to say they're missing two top 4 D man. Isn't that only one top 4?

You love to contradict yourself. Happens a few times each blog, or comment.

You missed the Flames, probably the best blue line in the NHL. Predators, Flames and Ducks, but after that, Arizona's is pretty good. Not alot of teams have Goligoski as their #5 and people can say what they want about Luke Schenn, he's miles better than most team's #6.

OEL and Demers is an elite top pairing, Hjallmarsson one of best defensive dmen and Chychrun as your #4 is also way better than the vast majority of teams have.

They've played 20 games, and in 12 of those games they were missing two of their top four Dmen, so I think it's pretty dumb to act like they don't have a good blue line just because their record is bad.
- james_tanner1

Luke Schenn is dog poop. He has cinder blocks for feet. And he has the flames there. So not only do you not know hockey, you can no longer read.

Luke Schenn is a pylon. There's a reason he's been jettisoned everywhere he's been. Maybe one of the worst dmen in the league period.

OEL is a #1 having a bad year. Hammers best days are far behind him, let's say he's a #3. Chychrun was solid as a rookie but hasn't done nearly enough to warrant the credit he's been given here. Demers and Goligoski are hardly trophies to be bragging about. Both of them aren't worth their contracts.

Also anyone ragging on the Flyers D should probably pay more attention. Provy is a #1. Ghost has been awesome, PP QB, great O mind, etc. Hagg has been better than Sanheim this year and they've both shown a ton of promise. Gudas doesn't get the credit he deserves because he takes a meaningless penalty a little too often. If he stays out of the box he's at least a #4. AMac is overpaid but servicable, especially this year, he's been a good player. We still have Morin, Myers, Friedman + in the A too. I wouldn't sleep on them being a top 3 D corps within years. I'll stop lol

He put Flames.

Also you just called Goligoski a #5 and Chychryn (however you spell it) a #4 then go to say they're missing two top 4 D man. Isn't that only one top 4?

You love to contradict yourself. Happens a few times each blog, or comment.
- LeafGuy89

I think the real question is, who has the better defense. The 17 Coyotes, described as Tanner as one of the NHL's best defenses, or the 14 Coyotes, described as Tanner as one of the NHL's best defenses.

Makes me wonder what You think about the LVG defense? They are on goalie #4 or #5 yet still seem to be ahead of the Yotes. Heck they were so confident that they had defense, they waived a perfectly good goalie for Subban.

Even Gerrard would have trouble getting this crew to play together. They aren't even a good AHL team.

The fancy stats point to a better record than what the Yotes have, so maybe the fancy stats are only useful when a team is winning?
Anyone care to do a study on this year's top 5 or 6 teams and see what the fancy stats say?
Tanner look at the bright side, tickets to watch the good teams play in AZ will never be cheaper or more available! Time to move, the weather is better and you can golf year round. The Yotes should be putting in their t-times by next week, if they haven't done so already

I'll take a stibbidy stab just to liven things up

Ducks, Sharks, Wild, Flames, Jets, Sens, Flyers, Preds, Bolts, Kings, Canes, Blues, Hawks, Rangers, BJs

Whatcha all think?
- mgriffen

Hawks have Keith, a depreciat(ing/ed) Seabrook and little else (though Rutta seems to be doing well); let's not pretend their D corps is anything enviable.

I don't know how many teams have a better defense than OEL, Demers, Goligoski, Hjallmarson, Chychrun, Schen.

One thing that really elevates this into the top of the rankings is Chychrun, who has played zero games so far.

Also, their starting goalie is coming off a groin injury and has played only nine of twenty games. It's way too early to judge anything.
- James_Tanner

Thats like saying the Titanic doubled as an icebreaker!
Goligoski -9 6 ta, 18ga, Demers -7, 4, 17, Schenn -6 3, 9, Hjalmarsson -7 7, 11, OEL -15, 5, 16 A group shooting percentage of like 1.1% shows the offensive end is not working either. Say what you want, thats what this is for, but yes I watched some AZ games and I see goalies hung out to dry on a fairly regular basis, don't know if it is "the system" but I don't think AZ is in the top of anything outside of Clayton Keller, right now.

Start at 1:39, https://www.nhl.com/video...-4/t-290984940/c-54615403

Hawks have Keith, a depreciat(ing/ed) Seabrook and little else (though Rutta seems to be doing well); let's not pretend their D corps is anything enviable.
- MaximumBone

well it's not an envy list, it's a better than the coyotes list

Lol I'm gay and James is a bigger crybaby drama queen than half of my gay friends
- Gertner

He avoids admittance of defeat like you might the ladies.

jimmy predict chaykas next trade.

He put Flames.

Also you just called Goligoski a #5 and Chychryn (however you spell it) a #4 then go to say they're missing two top 4 D man. Isn't that only one top 4?

You love to contradict yourself. Happens a few times each blog, or comment.
- LeafGuy89

Hammer is the one who is injured, but good try at finding a contradiction in an obscure hockey blog?

James do you think Minor Threat will ever play as a band again?

He put Flames.

Also you just called Goligoski a #5 and Chychryn (however you spell it) a #4 then go to say they're missing two top 4 D man. Isn't that only one top 4?

You love to contradict yourself. Happens a few times each blog, or comment.
- LeafGuy89

Hammer is/has been injured as well... schmuck

You're already one of the most annoying people this site has to offer, you shouldn't make it worse by saying things like "a little tip for you." Its just embarrassing.
- james_tanner1

THIS!!!

Blues, for one. Pietrangelo, Parayko, Bouwmeester, Edmundson, Gunnarson, and Bortuzzo. Multiple high end prospects like Dunn & Walman behind them as well.

You keep bringing up injuries as if they are putting the Coyotes behind everyone. Blues have had just as many, and are towards the top of the league, so it's not a valid excuse. Bouwmeester normally plays top pairing, Fabbri second line, Berglund third line, Sanford fourth line... none of these guys have dressed for a single game yet.
- Antilles

I would suggest that Nashville and Calgary also have a better D core than Phx.

Good idea JT, just delete all the posts that don't shine you in a favorable light! That's great! A blogger that invites controversy, in fact practically begs for it and then turns around and has the audacity to have inconvenient posts that call BS on you deleted.

Now that's true character right there.