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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:25 PM ET
Negative: just got roasted in my beer league game. Team was short and dead by the 2nd. Was fun for me but not pretty

Positive: gave my kid his first hockey stick today. Now he runs around screaming hockey and stops whatever he's doing to clap when someone says let's go flyers
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 30 @ 12:17 AM ET
Negative: just got roasted in my beer league game. Team was short and dead by the 2nd. Was fun for me but not pretty

Positive: gave my kid his first hockey stick today. Now he runs around screaming hockey and stops whatever he's doing to clap when someone says let's go flyers

- YuenglingJagr


Figured he’d be an Islanders fan.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:37 AM ET
good news guys marchand spooner and backes came back for the bruins tonight they'll be ready to beat up on us saturday
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Nov 30 @ 2:21 AM ET
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Lip_Out
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kalamazoo, NT
Joined: 11.03.2017

Nov 30 @ 2:47 AM ET
The emotional part for the GM was in context of making emotional decisions based on what is happening right now such as firing the coach or making an reactionary trade.

I think there was some truth to what Hextall said. If you listen to the podcast that Bill linked to in his blog, he said a lot of the same things.

Hextall has simply chosen to be supportive and circle the wagons. He knows he has some young players and he wants to be as supportive as he can. I don't think there is any value to him in calling out the team hard in this situation. If they were a team built to win now, I think his tone and overall reaction would be different but that is speculation. Hextall is very even keeled and focused in direction.

I look at as if say you were going through a rough time in your personal life. It really helps to think that it's temporary and things will get better.

A year or two from now there will be significant changes. My viewpoint as a fan is that this is temporary and my focus is on the future. This losing streak doesn't change that for me. I look at the young players on the team and the prospects that they have and see that there is a chance for something special in the future. The current level of play of the team will not make me lose sight of that.

Fans are frustrated and upset which is understandable but there is a lot of nonsense being spewed. Sorry if that offends anyone.

- MJL


You seem to have handled yourself very well without emotional influence on this thread and I commend you for that.

I think the future is involved at the core thinking for the argument of most who are taking the wait it out things will get better approach, and the roll some heads approach.

It's indisputable that there have been numerous personnel decisions within the tenure of Hakstol that are concerning. Have they been within the window of a contending team underneath him? No. Could it potentially hamstring the team when the window does open and these decisions are all the more vital? Yes.

I'm excited for the future as well. The kids will develop whether a coaching change is made or not. When the time comes and they are ready to shoulder the load of a contending team I'd like a coach that can make optimal lineup and in game decisions to maximize positive output. Within his tenure Hak has not shown a proficiency in this realm.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Nov 30 @ 3:35 AM ET
good news guys marchand spooner and backes came back for the bruins tonight they'll be ready to beat up on us saturday
- 2Real


Every team is lining up to play the Flyers, getting the two points is relatively easy, nobody gets beat up or injured and they all pad their stats. Hextall saying all is well is going to get him and his prize coach canned together. I can't wait for it to happen. Philly deserves better than Coma Man Hextall as GM and the dim wit Hakstol who still has not figured out these are pro players and not college kids. What a disgrace this team is for the city of Philadelphia, laughing stock of the nhl.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Nov 30 @ 3:41 AM ET
Gudas has struggled for the majority of the season and Hagg has been better. I agree that they're overplaying Manning but with the injury to MacDonald that forced some of that. Gostisbehere has also been struggling as of late. You should listen to the podcast that Bill linked. They discuss the makeup of the blueline and why you just can't throw a bunch of rookie and young defenseman to the wolves.
As for the play not lose comment, that's disqualifying because it is simply false.

- MJL



MJL could you advise when the last time your Flyers won a game with no ifs and buts?? I swear you got a brown nose as some of your comments supporting Hextall and his loser coach would indicate you are following to closely
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Nov 30 @ 3:56 AM ET
Wow did anyone else see what Doughty said about resigning in LA?

He basically said, "I don't know if Karlsson will resign in Ottawa or if I will resign in LA. But if PK Subban makes 10m, I think Erik Karlsson and I deserve quite a bit more than that."
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 6:03 AM ET
Wow did anyone else see what Doughty said about resigning in LA?

He basically said, "I don't know if Karlsson will resign in Ottawa or if I will resign in LA. But if PK Subban makes 10m, I think Erik Karlsson and I deserve quite a bit more than that."

- Mordecai


Technically, he's not wrong.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 30 @ 6:16 AM ET
Wow did anyone else see what Doughty said about resigning in LA?

He basically said, "I don't know if Karlsson will resign in Ottawa or if I will resign in LA. But if PK Subban makes 10m, I think Erik Karlsson and I deserve quite a bit more than that."

- Mordecai


Here's a link: http://ottawasun.com/spor...on-about-future-contracts

“Right now, I guess we’d be gauging off what P.K. makes,” said Doughty. “I think both (Karlsson and I) deserve quite a bit more than that.”


I'm guessing this is posturing and he's staying in LA, but I definitely read his quote as a slag on PK.

I can't wait until Doughty tries to walk this quote back.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 30 @ 6:17 AM ET
Technically, he's not wrong.
- BiggE


I wouldn't go so far as to say "quite a bit" more than PK.

I think there was a way to say that PK's contract set the market that didn't involve a backhanded compliment.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 7:13 AM ET
I wouldn't go so far as to say "quite a bit" more than PK.

I think there was a way to say that PK's contract set the market that didn't involve a backhanded compliment.

- johndewar

Oh absolutely, I just meant that he was correct in saying that he and Karlsson deserve to be paid more than Subban.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 7:21 AM ET
You seem to have handled yourself very well without emotional influence on this thread and I commend you for that.

I think the future is involved at the core thinking for the argument of most who are taking the wait it out things will get better approach, and the roll some heads approach.

It's indisputable that there have been numerous personnel decisions within the tenure of Hakstol that are concerning. Have they been within the window of a contending team underneath him? No. Could it potentially hamstring the team when the window does open and these decisions are all the more vital? Yes.

I'm excited for the future as well. The kids will develop whether a coaching change is made or not. When the time comes and they are ready to shoulder the load of a contending team I'd like a coach that can make optimal lineup and in game decisions to maximize positive output. Within his tenure Hak has not shown a proficiency in this realm.

- Lip_Out


I don't have an issue overall with Hakstol's personnel decisions and I can't think of any that would hamstring the team in the future or when they're a good team. The circumstances will be different then. Personally I think a lot of criticisms towards Haktol's lineup decisions are unfounded and are more based on what fans think is the optimal lineup. Not all but a lot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 7:25 AM ET
MJL could you advise when the last time your Flyers won a game with no ifs and buts?? I swear you got a brown nose as some of your comments supporting Hextall and his loser coach would indicate you are following to closely
- joegreif17


If you want to have a discussion with me on anything Flyers related, make a reasonable well thought out statement or question and I'll be glad to. Rather than your continuing obsession with attacking me. Your statements disqualify you.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 30 @ 7:40 AM ET
I don't have an issue overall with Hakstol's personnel decisions and I can't think of any that would hamstring the team in the future or when they're a good team. The circumstances will be different then. Personally I think a lot of criticisms towards Haktol's lineup decisions are unfounded and are more based on what fans think is the optimal lineup. Not all but a lot.
- MJL


One of the few things he hasn’t done yet that I think is beyond due is breaking up the top line. As much as I like that combo, it’s the one major thing he could do right now to try to break the funk they are in. It’s not something they have to do permenantly, but I think it’s overdue as a means to shake things up for a game or two
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 30 @ 8:01 AM ET
Nothing better than having a productive respectful conversation and then some bumhole comes in and messes it all up.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 8:09 AM ET
One of the few things he hasn’t done yet that I think is beyond due is breaking up the top line. As much as I like that combo, it’s the one major thing he could do right now to try to break the funk they are in. It’s not something they have to do permenantly, but I think it’s overdue as a means to shake things up for a game or two
- funmaster18


I agree and I posted that in an earlier thread. It's time to break up that line. I don't fault him for not doing it to this point though because that line has been dominant.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 30 @ 8:12 AM ET
One of the few things he hasn’t done yet that I think is beyond due is breaking up the top line. As much as I like that combo, it’s the one major thing he could do right now to try to break the funk they are in. It’s not something they have to do permenantly, but I think it’s overdue as a means to shake things up for a game or two
- funmaster18



But that is also hard to do when it is the one constant. The one thing you can count on game in and out.

It might have to happen if the rest of the lineup can't start contributing but right now it's at least one thing he CAN count on.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Nov 30 @ 8:16 AM ET
Every team is lining up to play the Flyers, getting the two points is relatively easy, nobody gets beat up or injured and they all pad their stats. Hextall saying all is well is going to get him and his prize coach canned together. I can't wait for it to happen. Philly deserves better than Coma Man Hextall as GM and the dim wit Hakstol who still has not figured out these are pro players and not college kids. What a disgrace this team is for the city of Philadelphia, laughing stock of the nhl.
- joegreif17

the flyers have been easy to play against and the softest team in the nhl for years.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 8:21 AM ET
One of the few things he hasn’t done yet that I think is beyond due is breaking up the top line. As much as I like that combo, it’s the one major thing he could do right now to try to break the funk they are in. It’s not something they have to do permenantly, but I think it’s overdue as a means to shake things up for a game or two
- funmaster18

Agreed. I would try:

G-Coots-Simmonds
TK-Patrick-Voracek

Maybe that can at least get 2 lines going.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 30 @ 8:26 AM ET
I don't have an issue overall with Hakstol's personnel decisions and I can't think of any that would hamstring the team in the future or when they're a good team. The circumstances will be different then. Personally I think a lot of criticisms towards Haktol's lineup decisions are unfounded and are more based on what fans think is the optimal lineup. Not all but a lot.
- MJL


to be fair with his results as head coach being mediocre at best I thinks any decision he makes will come under scrutiny... Weird, the other night I thought Lehtera had some jump. I think Weal has offered nothing of late, so personally I thought that one worked out. I don't think he adjusts very well to issues that arise during games ie: line juggling, playing non scorers late in games when production is needed, his 2nd PP unit personnel, the passive PK and his overall reaction to Refereeing decisions. Quite frankly he looks lost back there some nights and that projects on the on ice production. Now I realize some of these issue don't fall directly on him but as head coach he is the one responsible.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 30 @ 8:27 AM ET
the flyers have been easy to play against and the softest team in the nhl for years.
- rinaldo


....and this really does piss me off.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 30 @ 8:27 AM ET
Figured he’d be an Islanders fan.
- Mononoke

He hasn't found my cache of Barzal paraphernalia yet
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Nov 30 @ 8:28 AM ET
Agreed. I would try:

G-Coots-Simmonds
TK-Patrick-Voracek

Maybe that can at least get 2 lines going.

- BiggE

When the only 2 teams with more losses than you are the Yotes and Sabres...
You have to try anything... And those 2 lines look good
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 30 @ 8:30 AM ET
good news guys marchand spooner and backes came back for the bruins tonight they'll be ready to beat up on us saturday
- 2Real


Why? I mean really, why?

You're actually not bad to talk to about 95% of the time, but why?
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