The list of players that Botteril could have traded for is getting long. The only ones I really fault him for are Johansson and now Vatanen
- MCGUIZZY

git outta her wit ur hot takes

Remember, you're not supposed to consider the Ducks side of this.
- JetpackJesus

Also...
maybe we didn’t want Vatanen

Just bc he’s “better” than what we currently have...
doesn’t mean J Botts sees him as someone he wanted to build around

He tops out as a top4 defenseman

Even Gerbe saw it coming. I think the forward group will be okay long term though
- Sabresfan-365

I think we need 2-3 top six forwards (if Kane leaves)

I think Okposo, Reinhart, Pominville are 3rd line players

(my opinion) Nylander I believe was a terrible pick. I think he could end up being a major disappointment. Asplud will be another meh player. Mittlestadt could be a stud. Guhle is slightly overrated. Bailey and Baptiste are 3rd line players at best. Who knows on the rest.

I think we need alot of help honestly.

I think we need 2-3 top six forwards (if Kane leaves)

I think Okposo, Reinhart, Pominville are 3rd line players

(my opinion) Nylander I believe was a terrible pick. I think he could end up being a major disappointment. Asplud will be another meh player. Mittlestadt could be a stud. Guhle is slightly overrated. Bailey and Baptiste are 3rd line players at best. Who knows on the rest.

I think we need alot of help honestly.
- MCGUIZZY

I've got a slightly more optimistic view on them.

Remember, you're not supposed to consider the Ducks side of this.
- JetpackJesus

Yeah, because I came down from the Middle-Eastern steppes with a clay slab that said "No one is allowed to discuss this trade from the Ducks perspective"

We. Are. Sabres. Followers.

(frank) the Ducks side of it.

(frank) all of the supposed logic and arguments to be made.

FROM A SABRES PERSPECTIVE there is NO EXCUSE for Vatanen to NOT be in a Sabres uniform given what Anaheim gave him up for.

Adam. Henrique. We have at least 3 comparable players on this roster. ROR, Reinhart, Kane.

Again, Anaheim, with the addition of Henrique, HAVE ELEVEN CENTERS under contract. Injuries aside, they have 11 NHL Centers.

None of us know what Anaheim wanted, and I'm saying that doesn't matter, because it really doesn't as far as the Sabres are concerned.

I'm saying that Botterill absolutely whiffed on this and unoffcially, gave up on the season.

There's no reason for Kane to still be on this roster. I refuse to believe his behavior/off-ice issues have anything to do with it. Contract? That can be worked out. You might all completely disagree and you can come at me for this, but this trade 100% absolutely confirms Evander Kane's value as a player is low because he has a darker skin-tone.

Adam Henrique. 40-Point player extraordinaire. No one was lining up to get this guy on their team. No one. Yet all I have heard is praise for this guy, his entire career. He's Antoine Vermette, Sam Gagner, take your pick.

Also...
maybe we didn’t want Vatanen

Just bc he’s “better” than what we currently have...
doesn’t mean J Botts sees him as someone he wanted to build around

He tops out as a top4 defenseman
- jdfitz77

We have a grand total of 1 of them on our current roster.

Unbelievable. All last year and into the summer

"We need to trade for Vatanen"

Now, Vatanen gets had for Adam Henrique and "He's seeling is tp-4, hurr"


I thought this team was bad but oh my god, aside from about 3 or 4 of the regulars, the lot of you are legit homer, jamoke-ass, rose-colored eye-glass wearing, cup-cake fan hypocrites unlike any I have ever encountered.

Yeah, because I came down from the Middle-Eastern steppes with a clay slab that said "No one is allowed to discuss this trade from the Ducks perspective"

We. Are. Sabres. Followers.

(frank) the Ducks side of it.

(frank) all of the supposed logic and arguments to be made.

FROM A SABRES PERSPECTIVE there is NO EXCUSE for Vatanen to NOT be in a Sabres uniform given what Anaheim gave him up for.

Adam. Henrique. We have at least 3 comparable players on this roster. ROR, Reinhart, Kane.

Again, Anaheim, with the addition of Henrique, HAVE ELEVEN CENTERS under contract. Injuries aside, they have 11 NHL Centers.

None of us know what Anaheim wanted, and I'm saying that doesn't matter, because it really doesn't as far as the Sabres are concerned.

I'm saying that Botterill absolutely whiffed on this and unoffcially, gave up on the season.

There's no reason for Kane to still be on this roster. I refuse to believe his behavior/off-ice issues have anything to do with it. Contract? That can be worked out. You might all completely disagree and you can come at me for this, but this trade 100% absolutely confirms Evander Kane's value as a player is low because he has a darker skin-tone.

Adam Henrique. 40-Point player extraordinaire. No one was lining up to get this guy on their team. No one. Yet all I have heard is praise for this guy, his entire career. He's Antoine Vermette, Sam Gagner, take your pick.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I mean, there's at least one. They didn't like him. Granted, he'd be our 2nd best guy (which isn't saying much) but Missing on Sami Vatanen is kind of meh. The guy is a tire fire defensively.

His possession numbers are on par with the likes of Josh (frank)ing Gorges

I've got a slightly more optimistic view on them.
- Sabresfan-365

Well thats good.

Yeah, because I came down from the Middle-Eastern steppes with a clay slab that said "No one is allowed to discuss this trade from the Ducks perspective"

We. Are. Sabres. Followers.

(frank) the Ducks side of it.

(frank) all of the supposed logic and arguments to be made.

FROM A SABRES PERSPECTIVE there is NO EXCUSE for Vatanen to NOT be in a Sabres uniform given what Anaheim gave him up for.

Adam. Henrique. We have at least 3 comparable players on this roster. ROR, Reinhart, Kane.

Again, Anaheim, with the addition of Henrique, HAVE ELEVEN CENTERS under contract. Injuries aside, they have 11 NHL Centers.

None of us know what Anaheim wanted, and I'm saying that doesn't matter, because it really doesn't as far as the Sabres are concerned.

I'm saying that Botterill absolutely whiffed on this and unoffcially, gave up on the season.

There's no reason for Kane to still be on this roster. I refuse to believe his behavior/off-ice issues have anything to do with it. Contract? That can be worked out. You might all completely disagree and you can come at me for this, but this trade 100% absolutely confirms Evander Kane's value as a player is low because he has a darker skin-tone.

Adam Henrique. 40-Point player extraordinaire. No one was lining up to get this guy on their team. No one. Yet all I have heard is praise for this guy, his entire career. He's Antoine Vermette, Sam Gagner, take your pick.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Botterill was at Dash's. How could he know what was going on at Tops and Wal-mart

Yeah, I get lambated for being an "Emotional mess"

Yet all I see is the same damn excuses, homerism and nauseating "optimism" from the same damn people, here, at work, out at a bar, anywhere in this town the people still refuse to put their foot down and say how unacceptable these teams have been run since the 'savior' Terry Pegula bought them.

He's had more than enough time to right both ships.

What a joke. This team is a (frank)ing joke. Just like it's fans.

Well thats good.
- MCGUIZZY

Don't tell the others, it's taken some time to build up my wet blanket reputation. Id hate for that to go to waste

Botterill was at Dash's. How could he know what was going on at Tops and Wal-mart
- washedup20

I think you're a pretty funny guy.

G'day, mate.

Let's put another "shrimp on the barbie!".

I mean, there's at least one. They didn't like him. Granted, he'd be our 2nd best guy (which isn't saying much) but Missing on Sami Vatanen is kind of meh. The guy is a tire fire defensively.

His possession numbers are on par with the likes of Josh (frank)ing Gorges
- Sabresfan-365

Buffalo: Fires a GM 2 years into his rebuild because he wanted to sit on his hands and stick to the plan.

Also Buffalo: Hires a new GM and he sits on his hands. "Must be injuries!" "Murray depleted the prospects!" "Murray jumped the gun on the rebuild by making too many trades for impact players to help the team now"

I'm legit holding a razor the long way, don't tempt me!

Josh Gorges

CF 103, CA 138 CF% 42



Sami Vatanen

CF 187, CA 260 CF% 41


1 goal this year. Im not really sure what we missed out on exactly

Buffalo: Fires a GM 2 years into his rebuild because he wanted to sit on his hands and stick to the plan.

Also Buffalo: Hires a new GM and he sits on his hands. "Must be injuries!" "Murray depleted the prospects!" "Murray jumped the gun on the rebuild by making too many trades for impact players to help the team now"

I'm legit holding a razor the long way, don't tempt me!
- BeadyEyedDouche

Im guessing that's not the reason why he was fired. Kinda hard to say youre sticking to the plan after you implement it and it goes pear shaped lol

Buffalo: Fires a GM 2 years into his rebuild because he wanted to sit on his hands and stick to the plan.

Also Buffalo: Hires a new GM and he sits on his hands. "Must be injuries!" "Murray depleted the prospects!" "Murray jumped the gun on the rebuild by making too many trades for impact players to help the team now"

I'm legit holding a razor the long way, don't tempt me!
- BeadyEyedDouche

I'd recommend not holding on to Rob in any way...doesn't seem like he'd like that

Unbelievable. All last year and into the summer

"We need to trade for Vatanen"

Now, Vatanen gets had for Adam Henrique and "He's seeling is tp-4, hurr"


I thought this team was bad but oh my god, aside from about 3 or 4 of the regulars, the lot of you are legit homer, jamoke-ass, rose-colored eye-glass wearing, cup-cake fan hypocrites unlike any I have ever encountered.
- BeadyEyedDouche

this might also make a good location

When did Vatanen become Bobby Orr ? overvalue much.

We have a grand total of 1 of them on our current roster.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It’s not just about trading for someone
It’s about trading for the RIGHT guy
Just bc a player gets traded doesn’t mean we could’ve acquired him

And...
Dude, it’s just sports
Letting it bother u this much isn’t healthy
There’s nothing u can do about it

When did Vatanen become Bobby Orr ? overvalue much.
- SABRES 89

His numbers this year are on par with gorges. Let that sink in for a quick sec

Im guessing that's not the reason why he was fired. Kinda hard to say youre sticking to the plan after you implement it and it goes pear shaped lol
- Sabresfan-365

In hindsight, GMTM had a much better plan and we were still trending up going into this season.

Now? Botterill is icing one of the least competitive teams I have ever seen play. I refuse to believe we just got the short end of the stick with all of our picks over the past few years, this is 100% on coaching and roster management.

Oh my god, I never thought I'd say this, but Bylsma was 100% the right coach for this joke of a team.

this might also make a good location
- Michael Pachla

I'm having a mini-breakdown

Buffalo: Fires a GM 2 years into his rebuild because he wanted to sit on his hands and stick to the plan.

Also Buffalo: Hires a new GM and he sits on his hands. "Must be injuries!" "Murray depleted the prospects!" "Murray jumped the gun on the rebuild by making too many trades for impact players to help the team now"

I'm legit holding a razor the long way, don't tempt me!
- BeadyEyedDouche

There's a padded room near Gates circle,

https://www.brylin.com

Unbelievable. All last year and into the summer

"We need to trade for Vatanen"

Now, Vatanen gets had for Adam Henrique and "He's seeling is tp-4, hurr"


I thought this team was bad but oh my god, aside from about 3 or 4 of the regulars, the lot of you are legit homer, jamoke-ass, rose-colored eye-glass wearing, cup-cake fan hypocrites unlike any I have ever encountered.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Not ONCE did I ever say we should trade for Vatanen

In fact,
I’ve recently been quoting Bob McKenzie saying that the Ducks would be willing to move Vatanen or Jacob Larsson
And I’ve always said I preferred Larsson bc he had more upside