In general theory, yes, you are correct. In this specific instance I think it's a bad move.
- BiggE

If the coach feels it needs to be done for the players development, then I support it 100%.

If the coach feels it needs to be done for the players development, then I support it 100%.
- MJL

I'm sure Hakstol is thrilled to have your unmitigated support.

Especially since we all know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the coach cannot be wrong about this in any way shape or form. If you can't even entertain the notion that the coach may be making a mistake with this, then having a discussion on the topic is pointless.

He could be right, I will happily concede that, but I think he's wrong. You, OTOH, refuse to even consider that the coach could be making a bad judgement call here.

It really depends just how bad they get this season. If they're well out of the playoff race near the deadline they might as well take offers.
- hereticpride

There is trickle down though. Think about next year. One step further away from having an established team. It’s frustrating now because they really in a rebuild. The more quality vets you trade away the further away you get at this point imo. But again, it’s all about the return

I would be disapppinted if they did that this season
- funmaster18

Team probably could use it by the looks of it. Send Patrick back to Brandon. They have lots of picks that could be used to improve the team right now. Might have to find a taker for some salary though. 8 points out of a playoff spot. Hextall standing still looks like he's interested in a tank.

If the coach feels it needs to be done for the players development, then I support it 100%.
- MJL

Sorry couldn't help it.

There is trickle down though. Think about next year. One step further away from having an established team. It’s frustrating now because they really in a rebuild. The more quality vets you trade away the further away you get at this point imo. But again, it’s all about the return
- funmaster18

True but for me if the slide continues it's all the more reason to mov towards a full rebuild...

Sorry couldn't help it.
- hereticpride

Team probably could use it by the looks of it. Send Patrick back to Brandon. They have lots of picks that could be used to improve the team right now. Might have to find a taker for some salary though. 8 points out of a playoff spot. Hextall standing still looks like he's interested in a tank.
- manvanfan

I don't think they could send Patrick back at this point if they wanted to and on top of that I think that's an absolutely awful idea from a developmental standpoint.

What I am is adult enough to keep the conversation about about the team rather than getting personal.

- MJL

I'm sure Hakstol is thrilled to have your unmitigated support.

Especially since we all know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the coach cannot be wrong about this in any way shape or form. If you can't even entertain the notion that the coach may be making a mistake with this, then having a discussion on the topic is pointless.

He could be right, I will happily concede that, but I think he's wrong. You, OTOH, refuse to even consider that the coach could be making a bad judgement call here.
- BiggE

I'm sure Hakstol couldn't care less about your criticisms of him.

Okay, so the coach could be wrong, therefore, he is!


What information do you have to state that he is wrong? It seems as though some fans won't ever support a coach benching a young player. Yet it happens all the time in hockey. Who is more likely to be wrong about it, the fans or the coach? Since we're dealing in entertaining notions! I understand this coach is under fire and Hakstol is a dirty word right now but I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on it.

I don't think they could send Patrick back at this point if they wanted to and on top of that I think that's an absolutely awful idea from a developmental standpoint.
- hereticpride

They absolutely could send him back to juniors.

- BiggE

Ty

They absolutely could send him back to juniors.
- MJL

Ah I thought he was over age at this point. I just don't see how it would benefit him or the Flyers at all.

I'm sure Hakstol couldn't care less about your criticisms of him.

Okay, so the coach could be wrong, therefore, he is!


What information do you have to state that he is wrong? It seems as though some fans won't ever support a coach benching a young player. Yet it happens all the time in hockey. Who is more likely to be wrong about it, the fans or the coach? Since we're dealing in entertaining notions! I understand this coach is under fire and Hakstol is a dirty word right now but I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on it.
- MJL

Again, I'm just saying in my opinion, I think benching Leier is a mistake. That's all. Not saying that I KNOW FOR SURE, that it's a mistake, just how I see it.

See unlike you, I can admit that I don't know everything and that sometimes, even professional coaches can make mistakes. Hak may be right, but I don't see anything in his track record as an NHL head coach that should automatically entitle him to be free from 2nd guessing any of his moves.

I'm sure Hakstol is thrilled to have your unmitigated support.

Especially since we all know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the coach cannot be wrong about this in any way shape or form. If you can't even entertain the notion that the coach may be making a mistake with this, then having a discussion on the topic is pointless.

He could be right, I will happily concede that, but I think he's wrong. You, OTOH, refuse to even consider that the coach could be making a bad judgement call here.
- BiggE

Pretty safe to say Hakstol is not making a lot of good decisions these days. A coach is responsible for his teams performance....a few bad minutes here and there...totally fine. A few bad periods here and there...ok . A few bad games....not great but it’s going to happen... a10 game losing streak were by the play is getting worse....not a good reflection on the coach.....an entire calendar year, where by the team continues to plummet from a rebuild into a tank.....yup coach is struggling.

If the coach buys the team 20 dolphins, and then instead of practice throughout the year the young players just take turns feeding the dolphins and swimming with them. No practice at all, just dolphin swim, and the coach deems it's for the development of the players I support it 100%.

-MJL

If the coach buys the team 20 dolphins, and then instead of practice throughout the year the young players just take turns feeding the dolphins and swimming with them. No practice at all, just dolphin swim, and the coach deems it's for the development of the players I support it 100%.

-MJL
- Lip_Out

Yup, pretty much.

Pretty safe to say Hakstol is not making a lot of good decisions these days. A coach is responsible for his teams performance....a few bad minutes here and there...totally fine. A few bad periods here and there...ok . A few bad games....not great but it’s going to happen... a10 game losing streak were by the play is getting worse....not a good reflection on the coach.....an entire calendar year, where by the team continues to plummet from a rebuild into a tank.....yup coach is struggling.
- landros 2

The coach should be given our 100% support when it comes to lineup decisions. He is infallible, unlike us clueless mere mortals. All else is simply hyperbole, with a dash of false narrative for seasoning purposes.

Again, I'm just saying in my opinion, I think benching Leier is a mistake. That's all. Not saying that I KNOW FOR SURE, that it's a mistake, just how I see it.

See unlike you, I can admit that I don't know everything and that sometimes, even professional coaches can make mistakes. Hak may be right, but I don't see anything in his track record as an NHL head coach that should automatically entitle him to be free from 2nd guessing any of his moves.
- BiggE

You're entitled to any opinion you want to have, I just don't see you offering anything to support that opinion.
Here is where you go wrong. The very fact that I don't know everything, and specific to this situation, I don't know why he benched Konecny last night, or why he has scratched Leier is exactly why I won't criticize the coach for making a mistake. You can 2nd guess any move the coach makes you want but I don't see the reasoning that a coach can make a mistake as a reasonable basis for the criticism.

Again, I'm just saying in my opinion, I think benching Leier is a mistake. That's all. Not saying that I KNOW FOR SURE, that it's a mistake, just how I see it.

See unlike you, I can admit that I don't know everything and that sometimes, even professional coaches can make mistakes. Hak may be right, but I don't see anything in his track record as an NHL head coach that should automatically entitle him to be free from 2nd guessing any of his moves.
- BiggE

WELL THE COACH HAS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND IS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER, SO WE SHOULDN'T QUESTION ANYTHING HE DOES. WE SHOULD JUST FOLLOW EVERYTHING BLINDLY AND ACCEPT ALL DECISIONS AS THE RIGHT DECISIONS. THAT HAS ALWAYS WORKED OUT WELL IN HISTORY. I NEVER STUDIED HISTORY, BUT OTHERS DID AND THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME AND I BELIEVED THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE THAN ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER.

Pretty safe to say Hakstol is not making a lot of good decisions these days. A coach is responsible for his teams performance....a few bad minutes here and there...totally fine. A few bad periods here and there...ok . A few bad games....not great but it’s going to happen... a10 game losing streak were by the play is getting worse....not a good reflection on the coach.....an entire calendar year, where by the team continues to plummet from a rebuild into a tank.....yup coach is struggling.
- landros 2

Absolutely. That's all that is needed to criticize this coach. His team has lost 10 games in a row. It's reasonable grounds for removing him as coach at this point.

You're entitled to any opinion you want to have, I just don't see you offering anything to support that opinion.
Here is where you go wrong. The very fact that I don't know everything, and specific to this situation, I don't know why he benched Konecny last night, or why he has scratched Leier is exactly why I won't criticize the coach for making a mistake. You can 2nd guess any move the coach makes you want but I don't see the reasoning that a coach can make a mistake as a reasonable basis for the criticism.
- MJL

Here's an easy reason. Leier is a better hockey player than Dale Weise. The team is on a long losing streak, so dressing your best players would seem to be a logical move to make. Reason has now been given.

Also, if you don't know why Leier is being scratched, how can you blindly support the move 100%. That's one hell of a leap of faith.

If the coach buys the team 20 dolphins, and then instead of practice throughout the year the young players just take turns feeding the dolphins and swimming with them. No practice at all, just dolphin swim, and the coach deems it's for the development of the players I support it 100%.

-MJL
- Lip_Out

Very relevant. Building up that credibility.

WELL THE COACH HAS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND IS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER, SO WE SHOULDN'T QUESTION ANYTHING HE DOES. WE SHOULD JUST FOLLOW EVERYTHING BLINDLY AND ACCEPT ALL DECISIONS AS THE RIGHT DECISIONS. THAT HAS ALWAYS WORKED OUT WELL IN HISTORY. I NEVER STUDIED HISTORY, BUT OTHERS DID AND THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME AND I BELIEVED THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE THAN ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER.
- PhillySportsGuy

Here's an easy reason. Leier is a better hockey player than Dale Weise. The team is on a long losing streak, so dressing your best players would seem to be a logical move to make. Reason has now been given.

Also, if you don't know why Leier is being scratched, how can you blindly support the move 100%. That's one hell of a leap of faith.
- BiggE

Doesn't counter that sitting young players down is a frequent tool that coaches use in player development. Happens all the time in hockey. Coaches sit more talented younger players for a variety of reasons and play a lesser talented player in his place. By your premise then a young player would never sit out a game unless there was a better player to take his place. Simply not the reality in player development in the NHL.
I didn't blindly support the move. You're wrong there. I placed parameters on the support.