He will be lauded like Sam Hinkie. Because he won't be here when it happens. Hinkie was fired for taking too long. The same will happen to hextall. Sports are a results oriented business.
- Tfaehner

Hinkie was fired because of the constant tanking to try to find that one franchise guy. not remotely what Hextall is doing. he is rebuilding the team thru the draft while trying to stay competitive. I am personally on board with that. who didn't know this was going to be a long process? this fan base can be ridiculous

Now was far as Hakstol goes, I was open to the idea of of a non retread coach but that said I am growing tired of his handling of the players.

as far as making a move, unless they are willing to move young players, which I hope they aren't, the one trade chip they have is Simmonds. Bounce back years or not Giroux and Jake aren't going anywhere with those contracts. I wouldn't move Coots esp with his contract which is solid. that leaves Simmonds.

Doesn't counter that sitting young players down is a frequent tool that coaches use in player development. Happens all the time in hockey. Coaches sit more talented younger players for a variety of reasons and play a lesser talented player in his place. By your premise then a young player would never sit out a game unless there was a better player to take his place. Simply not the reality in player development in the NHL.
I didn't blindly support the move. You're wrong there. I placed parameters on the support.
- MJL

The bold summarizes MJL's perspective

The bold summarizes MJL's perspective
- Lip_Out

You're again inaccurate.

Hinkie was fired because of the constant tanking to try to find that one franchise guy. not remotely what Hextall is doing. he is rebuilding the team thru the draft while trying to stay competitive. I am personally on board with that. who didn't know this was going to be a long process? this fan base can be ridiculous

Now was far as Hakstol goes, I was open to the idea of of a non retread coach but that said I am growing tired of his handling of the players.

as far as making a move, unless they are willing to move young players, which I hope they aren't, the one trade chip they have is Simmonds. Bounce back years or not Giroux and Jake aren't going anywhere with those contracts. I wouldn't move Coots esp with his contract which is solid. that leaves Simmonds.
- nastyflyergirl

If things keep going south, I think Simmonds, Gudas and Filppula could all be gone as we get near or at the deadline. The guys on the top line and AMac aren't going anywhere and the rest of the vets have little to no value.

Absolutely. That's all that is needed to criticize this coach. His team has lost 10 games in a row. It's reasonable grounds for removing him as coach at this point.
- MJL

I must have missed that comment....but let’s make this easy....Is Hackstol a good NHL coach? I based my comment on facts....results, you know those things that people use to judge ones performance.

Edit: and I stated He’s struggling.

I must have missed that comment....but let’s make this easy....Is Hackstol a good NHL coach? I based my comment on facts....results, you know those things that people use to judge ones performance.
- landros 2

define nhl coach

define nhl coach
- feelingkettle

A coach ....who coaches or has coached an NHL team.

I must have missed that comment....but let’s make this easy....Is Hackstol a good NHL coach? I based my comment on facts....results, you know those things that people use to judge ones performance.
- landros 2

I've made this statement numerous times. I think Hakstol is a good hockey coach. The jury is still out if he going to be a good NHL coach. Coaching is a results oriented business and they pay the price a lot of times even when they aren't the biggest issue. You cannot grant a coach immunity when his team has lost 10 games in a row. However even the best of coaches need players to work with. Hakstol doesn't have a lot to work with right now and a lot of players that are struggling.

I don't think they could send Patrick back at this point if they wanted to and on top of that I think that's an absolutely awful idea from a developmental standpoint.
- hereticpride

They could send him back still. Leon Draisitil played 37 games then was sent back. Came back next season and was much more prepared. I know they sent him back because Kelowna beat the BWK that year in the WHL finals

Sometimes I think people want Hakstol to create a Rembrandt with water color paints. It's about what is best for Martel right now, not about getting a high draft pick.
- MJL

If they move Simmonds for futures....then call it what it is Ronnie....A TANK.
- landros 2

I want Jessie Pulijarvi

[quote=Lip_Out]

Hinkie was fired because of the constant tanking to try to find that one franchise guy. not remotely what Hextall is doing. he is rebuilding the team thru the draft while trying to stay competitive. I am personally on board with that. who didn't know this was going to be a long process? this fan base can be ridiculous

Now was far as Hakstol goes, I was open to the idea of of a non retread coach but that said I am growing tired of his handling of the players.

as far as making a move, unless they are willing to move young players, which I hope they aren't, the one trade chip they have is Simmonds. Bounce back years or not Giroux and Jake aren't going anywhere with those contracts. I wouldn't move Coots esp with his contract which is solid. that leaves Simmonds.
- nastyflyergirl

He had me until th Schenn move....good trade ? Might be....but it changed the direction in my eyes. I’m fine with not trading away your future, but I don’t think that should mean you do nothing for the present.....that’s just my opinion., not saying your wrong at all, I just view it a little different.

A coach ....who coaches or has coached an NHL team.
- landros 2

now define zaffer

BiggE literally lists like 6 reasonable, questionable decisions he doesn't agree with and says "these are some of the biggest reasons I've soured on Hakstol", MJL tells him he has no basis for his disdain, Bigg E says bruh, I do, and it's not unreasonable, MJL says no it isn't the coach is always right, BiggE calls him out for not even entertaining the fact that the coach could be wrong, then MJL continues to stalwartly fight in favor of each coaching decision, proving the point of BiggE saying that he's impossible to converse with because he fails to acknowledge any stance other than his own, and then MJL calls out another poster, tongue in cheek, saying "nice job building credibility"

Hinkie was fired because of the constant tanking to try to find that one franchise guy. not remotely what Hextall is doing. he is rebuilding the team thru the draft while trying to stay competitive. I am personally on board with that. who didn't know this was going to be a long process? this fan base can be ridiculous

Now was far as Hakstol goes, I was open to the idea of of a non retread coach but that said I am growing tired of his handling of the players.

as far as making a move, unless they are willing to move young players, which I hope they aren't, the one trade chip they have is Simmonds. Bounce back years or not Giroux and Jake aren't going anywhere with those contracts. I wouldn't move Coots esp with his contract which is solid. that leaves Simmonds.
- nastyflyergirl

He was fired because his rebuild never showed results on the court only talent in the system. If in the next 2 seasons were in a similar boat hextall will no longer get the benefit of the waiting game. He has 1 poor coaching hire as well to his resume. Let's see how his 2nd goes if he takes another leap and miss how can you say he's not an issue ? Hextall gets entirely too much credit for drafting he got Pryor the picks but Pryor and his team is found all these players in late rounds etc

now define zaffer
- feelingkettle

Am I aloud to google it ?

He had me until th Schenn move....good trade ? Might be....but it changed the direction in my eyes. I’m fine with not trading away your future, but I don’t think that should mean you do nothing for the present.....that’s just my opinion., not saying your wrong at all, I just view it a little different.
- landros 2

There are a number of high priced veteran players on this team. He brought in a veteran goalie in Elliott. I don't see how he is doing nothing for the present. He's shown he is willing to try and improve the team now if he can do so without giving up any of the future and is on record stating that. Based on that philosophy he doesn't have a lot of bullets to use unless he can trade one of the veteran players to improve the team. Do you want him to start trading draft picks for older established players to improve the team for now?

He was fired because his rebuild never showed results on the court only talent in the system. If in the next 2 seasons were in a similar boat hextall will no longer get the benefit of the waiting game. He has 1 poor coaching hire as well to his resume. Let's see how his 2nd goes if he takes another leap and miss how can you say he's not an issue ? Hextall gets entirely too much credit for drafting he got Pryor the picks but Pryor and his team is found all these players in late rounds etc
- Tfaehner

100 % on Pryor. But all though these guys are great prospects, the next jump will be the hardest. Jury is still out.

BiggE literally lists like 6 reasonable, questionable decisions he doesn't agree with and says "these are some of the biggest reasons I've soured on Hakstol", MJL tells him he has no basis for his disdain, Bigg E says bruh, I do, and it's not unreasonable, MJL says no it isn't the coach is always right, BiggE calls him out for not even entertaining the fact that the coach could be wrong, then MJL continues to stalwartly fight in favor of each coaching decision, proving the point of BiggE saying that he's impossible to converse with because he fails to acknowledge any stance other than his own, and then MJL calls out another poster, tongue in cheek, saying "nice job building credibility"


- Giroux_Is_God

When your logic involves the potential of still supporting your coach even if he was to substitute all annual practices for swimming with dolphins in the name of development is a bit........ fishy.

Patrick should go be BMOC at WJC while team/front of reorganizes...28 wins in last ~ 76 gms...yea, the wheels have come off.

Summary please

Patrick should go be BMOC at WJC while team/front of reorganizes...28 wins in last ~ 76 gms...yea, the wheels have come off.
- isaiah520

Don't blame the coach though. We don't know what he was thinking through those games. Perhaps he wanted to only win 28 games through that stretch for the sake of... development.

He was fired because his rebuild never showed results on the court only talent in the system. If in the next 2 seasons were in a similar boat hextall will no longer get the benefit of the waiting game. He has 1 poor coaching hire as well to his resume. Let's see how his 2nd goes if he takes another leap and miss how can you say he's not an issue ? Hextall gets entirely too much credit for drafting he got Pryor the picks but Pryor and his team is found all these players in late rounds etc
- Tfaehner

Do you know any GM who doesn't rely on his scouting staff? They give a GM recommendations and information on players and then the GM makes the final decision. So the next time a bad draft pick is made a player doesn't work out, you're going to put most of the blame on Pryor, correct? If the Flyers didn't have a strong prospect base right now, you'd blame Pryor and not Hextall, correct?

There are a number of high priced veteran players on this team. He brought in a veteran goalie in Elliott. I don't see how he is doing nothing for the present. He's shown he is willing to try and improve the team now if he can do so without giving up any of the future and is on record stating that. Based on that philosophy he doesn't have a lot of bullets to use unless he can trade one of the veteran players to improve the team. Do you want him to start trading draft picks for older established players to improve the team for now?
- MJL

I would like him to address this years team...you can’t tell me the only bullets he has are his youthful prospects....something wrong with a decent prospect for a young player move? I look at their future Center down the middle ? How many do they need ? I look at the d prospects and the current youth? Again how many do they need ? You don’t have to trade for old crap like Filppula or Lehtera or sign a Weise. Oh wait he’s already done that. To give him a pass on the current poop show is simply wrong.