Am I aloud to google it ?
- landros 2

yes

Do you know any GM who doesn't rely on his scouting staff? They give a GM recommendations and information on players and then the GM makes the final decision. So the next time a bad draft pick is made a player doesn't work out, you're going to put most of the blame on Pryor, correct? If the Flyers didn't have a strong prospect base right now, you'd blame Pryor and not Hextall, correct?
- MJL

How dare you assume the process of how GM's and scouts work. We don't knew the thoughts that they have, the feelings that run through them. We shouldn't assume we know how they work in lieu of that. Completely unfair to analyze any moves and culpability because we have no idea what runs through those minds.

Do you know any GM who doesn't rely on his scouting staff? They give a GM recommendations and information on players and then the GM makes the final decision. So the next time a bad draft pick is made a player doesn't work out, you're going to put most of the blame on Pryor, correct? If the Flyers didn't have a strong prospect base right now, you'd blame Pryor and not Hextall, correct?
- MJL

If we draft poorly yes I would want the scouting team and head of scouting fired. I know Pryor is also now assistant gm. A gm is measured by hiring coaches, recalling players, trades and free agency signings/ contract negotiations. His trades have been some good some bad. His free agency while I know he wasn't going after big names has been poor. His contract negotiations seem like we overpaid on some and underpaid on others so he's so so. His coach hire is an absolute fail. And currently I don't agree with his roster decisions over the past 2 years. So yes I'd say hextall has a lot to answer to right now. I think Pryor is going to get a gm job in the next few years and it will absolutely weaken our franchise

BiggE literally lists like 6 reasonable, questionable decisions he doesn't agree with and says "these are some of the biggest reasons I've soured on Hakstol", MJL tells him he has no basis for his disdain, Bigg E says bruh, I do, and it's not unreasonable, MJL says no it isn't the coach is always right, BiggE calls him out for not even entertaining the fact that the coach could be wrong, then MJL continues to stalwartly fight in favor of each coaching decision, proving the point of BiggE saying that he's impossible to converse with because he fails to acknowledge any stance other than his own, and then MJL calls out another poster, tongue in cheek, saying "nice job building credibility"


- Giroux_Is_God

Post of the year candidate.

There are a number of high priced veteran players on this team. He brought in a veteran goalie in Elliott. I don't see how he is doing nothing for the present. He's shown he is willing to try and improve the team now if he can do so without giving up any of the future and is on record stating that. Based on that philosophy he doesn't have a lot of bullets to use unless he can trade one of the veteran players to improve the team. Do you want him to start trading draft picks for older established players to improve the team for now?
- MJL

Your comment above said that even a good coach needs something to work with? This statement says Hextall has done just that? Has He given Hakstol enough to work with or not?
Are you confused? Who’s doing the Shiite job? The coach or the GM?

I've made this statement numerous times. I think Hakstol is a good hockey coach. The jury is still out if he going to be a good NHL coach. Coaching is a results oriented business and they pay the price a lot of times even when they aren't the biggest issue. You cannot grant a coach immunity when his team has lost 10 games in a row. However even the best of coaches need players to work with. Hakstol doesn't have a lot to work with right now and a lot of players that are struggling.
- MJL

I’ve seen you make this statement many times. I’m not sure what you all are arguing about. This team is bad. It has some good players, but for whatever reason it isn’t working. Building a good hockey team is alchemy. Who knows why some players work here and not there. I don’t interpret your support of the moves the coach has made as your saying he is blameless. I, like you, cannot get too worked up over his choice of benching Leier and playing Weise. I just don’t see it making a hell of a lot of difference. That being said I don’t think he’s done anything to earn my trust. I see no evidence that he’s an original thinker, outstanding at developing young talent or a great motivator.

When someone says something really radically off base or chooses to die on a really sour hill can we go..

-MJL'd

Is that cool? Can that be a thing here?

BiggE literally lists like 6 reasonable, questionable decisions he doesn't agree with and says "these are some of the biggest reasons I've soured on Hakstol", MJL tells him he has no basis for his disdain, Bigg E says bruh, I do, and it's not unreasonable, MJL says no it isn't the coach is always right, BiggE calls him out for not even entertaining the fact that the coach could be wrong, then MJL continues to stalwartly fight in favor of each coaching decision, proving the point of BiggE saying that he's impossible to converse with because he fails to acknowledge any stance other than his own, and then MJL calls out another poster, tongue in cheek, saying "nice job building credibility"


- Giroux_Is_God

I would like him to address this years team...you can’t tell me the only bullets he has are his youthful prospects....something wrong with a decent prospect for a young player move? I look at their future Center down the middle ? How many do they need ? I look at the d prospects and the current youth? Again how many do they need ? You don’t have to trade for old crap like Filppula or Lehtera or sign a Weise. Oh wait he’s already done that. To give him a pass on the current poop show is simply wrong.
- landros 2

It's not giving anyone a pass. It's about realizing what thier philosophy and plan is and that they aren't going to be reactionary and move from that plan because of what is happening now with the team. Hey, if we can get an NHL ready young player who can improve this team now for a decent prospect, I'm all in and I'm sure Hextall would be also. How realistic is that. All of the defense prospects aren't a guarantee to pan out and with the issues that this team has had in the past drafting and developing defenseman, and with how high the cost is to acquire good defenseman, I'd advocate holding on to them until we know for sure that there is a surplus and they can afford to move one to shore up a weakness somewhere else. They aren't there yet. Fillpula was a player that was brought in to try and help the team now that didn't cost any of the future. Fits into the parameters of Hextall's plan. They took on Lehtera and his cap hit to help get the two first round picks. The Weise signing is not working out but isn't going to hurt the future.

When someone says something really radically off base or chooses to die on a really sour hill can we go..

-MJL'd

Is that cool? Can that be a thing here?
- Lip_Out

Could use something like this in the Van blog sometimes. The ideas of people sometimes. Insanity. Not allowed to call people dumb, they just get mad.

Summary please
- YuenglingJagr

Hmm, terrible litrilly everything is.

(works best when said in the voice of Yoda)

It's not giving anyone a pass. It's about realizing what thier philosophy and plan is and that they aren't going to be reactionary and move from that plan because of what is happening now with the team. Hey, if we can get an NHL ready young player who can improve this team now for a decent prospect, I'm all in and I'm sure Hextall would be also. How realistic is that. All of the defense prospects aren't a guarantee to pan out and with the issues that this team has had in the past drafting and developing defenseman, and with how high the cost is to acquire good defenseman, I'd advocate holding on to them until we know for sure that there is a surplus and they can afford to move one to shore up a weakness somewhere else. They aren't there yet. Fillpula was a player that was brought in to try and help the team now that didn't cost any of the future. Fits into the parameters of Hextall's plan. They took on Lehtera and his cap hit to help get the two first round picks. The Weise signing is not working out but isn't going to hurt the future.
- MJL

I’ve seen you make this statement many times. I’m not sure what you all are arguing about. This team is bad. It has some good players, but for whatever reason it isn’t working. Building a good hockey team is alchemy. Who knows why some players work here and not there. I don’t interpret your support of the moves the coach has made as your saying he is blameless. I, like you, cannot get too worked up over his choice of benching Leier and playing Weise. I just don’t see it making a hell of a lot of difference. That being said I don’t think he’s done anything to earn my trust. I see no evidence that he’s an original thinker, outstanding at developing young talent or a great motivator.
- Dkos

Well said. Hakstol is very much on the fence as a coach. You can't throw support now into him remaining the coach long term. I'd give him the remainder of the season to get things moving forward in the right direction or I'd make a change.

It's not giving anyone a pass. It's about realizing what thier philosophy and plan is and that they aren't going to be reactionary and move from that plan because of what is happening now with the team. Hey, if we can get an NHL ready young player who can improve this team now for a decent prospect, I'm all in and I'm sure Hextall would be also. How realistic is that. All of the defense prospects aren't a guarantee to pan out and with the issues that this team has had in the past drafting and developing defenseman, and with how high the cost is to acquire good defenseman, I'd advocate holding on to them until we know for sure that there is a surplus and they can afford to move one to shore up a weakness somewhere else. They aren't there yet. Fillpula was a player that was brought in to try and help the team now that didn't cost any of the future. Fits into the parameters of Hextall's plan. They took on Lehtera and his cap hit to help get the two first round picks. The Weise signing is not working out but isn't going to hurt the future.
- MJL

Pitt waited on Pouliot and ended up getting a plug AHL D and a 4th round pick back for him.

Your comment above said that even a good coach needs something to work with? This statement says Hextall has done just that? Has He given Hakstol enough to work with or not?
Are you confused? Who’s doing the Shiite job? The coach or the GM?

- landros 2

I don't think any GM can guarantee that any move he makes is going to work out. If moves made don't work does that mean that moves were not made to try and improve the team?

Pitt waited on Pouliot and ended up getting a plug AHL D and a 4th round pick back for him.
- manvanfan

And that guy was coined as a future top pair d just 3 years ago.

Pitt waited on Pouliot and ended up getting a plug AHL D and a 4th round pick back for him.
- manvanfan

That's one prospect. The Flyers have the deepest pool of quality prospects in the NHL according to many sources. Not all of them are going to pan out.

I don't think any GM can guarantee that any move he makes is going to work out. If moves made don't work does that mean that moves were not made to try and improve the team?
- MJL

Starting to think that Hak is just in over his head as an NHL head coach and everyone but Ron Hextall can see it. There is a world of difference between coaching at North Dakota and coaching an NHL team.

The hire was risky enough, to compound the risk by not giving him at least one assistant with either NHL head coaching experience or, at the very least, long term experience as both an NHL assistant and an AHL head coach was just flat out foolish. This is squarely on Hextall and he needs to rectify his mistake. I originally thought Hak should be given the whole season, but the wheels have come off. It needs to happen now.
- BiggE

The Pens' "Mike Johnston experiment" showed that junior/college level head coaches should not go directly to being NHL head coaches. They need to at least start out as assistants (possibly in the AHL) and work their way up. Johnston was and is a great juniors coach who is known for spending much effort instructing young players. This is not what is needed in the pros - especially with the seasoned veterans. It was about two years ago now when Johnston was finally replace by a real NHL coach and we all know what happened .

If they go out west and go 0-3-0 on this upcoming trip and lose each game by 2+ goals, is Hak still coaching the Flyers when they return to action on December 12th?

The Pens' "Mike Johnston experiment" showed that junior/college level head coaches should not go directly to being NHL head coaches. They need to at least start out as assistants (possibly in the AHL) and work their way up. Johnston was and is a great juniors coach who is known for spending much effort instructing young players. This is not what is needed in the pros - especially with the seasoned veterans. It was about two years ago now when Johnston was finally replace by a real NHL coach and we all know what happened .
- PghPens668771

I feel the same, but a few folks around here, well probably just one, feel he is the 2nd coming of Scotty Bowman and must not be questioned.

If they go out west and go 0-3-0 on this upcoming trip and lose each game by 2+ goals, is Hak still coaching the Flyers when they return to action on December 12th?
- BiggE

Of course. We don't know what he's thinking, therefore he can't be wrong. And if he's never wrong why would the GM fire him? He's the coach until he dies pretty much.

When your logic involves the potential of still supporting your coach even if he was to substitute all annual practices for swimming with dolphins in the name of development is a bit........ fishy.
- Lip_Out

HEY

DOLPHINS ARE NOT FISH

HEY

DOLPHINS ARE NOT FISH
- Giroux_Is_God

This is true, the math checks out.

HEY

DOLPHINS ARE NOT FISH
- Giroux_Is_God

How dare you pointing out fallacy.

Not allowed.