I never ever liked Schenn as a 5OA pick. More like a 10OA pick

PP 21st in the league right now. Could make use of him still.

Frost looks like he probably could be a good middle 6 forward. SSM always has a good junior team that probably boosts stats a bit.

Does philly really need more picks right now or do they need more NHL capable players?
- manvanfan

Both. A good organization constantly has young guys coming through the system who will make the nhl. That's how you become a perennial contender. In this year's draft especially with how high were probably picking were most likely going to get a guy who can play immediately.

I actually buy into the trade. They are currently quite a few players away from contending so it's not realistic in the near future.

It is realistic in 3-4 years so selling players in the prime now for future assets makes sense. They want to maximize the chances of contention when the window opens.

Also, the rate of Frosts points being primary points is abnormally high which would lead to of a conclusion that he is creating the scoring rather than benefitting from others.
- Lip_Out

CLAUDE GIROUX SEAN COUTURIER JAKUB VORACEK
JORDAN WEAL NOLAN PATRICK WAYNE SIMMONDS
MICHAEL RAFFL VALTTERI FILPPULA TRAVIS KONECNY
JORI LEHTERA SCOTT LAUGHTON DALE WEISE

IVAN PROVOROV ANDREW MACDONALD
ROBERT HAGG SHAYNE GOSTISBEHERE
TRAVIS SANHEIM BRANDON MANNING

Line up according to leftwinglock

If you had Schenn instead of Weal on the 2nd line. Weal goes down to the 3rd line.
If you they were to trade a young D like Sanheim or Morin plus another prospect or pick they probably could have picked up a better more experienced Right D to aid Provorov.
MacDonald slides down to the 3rd pairing with Manning.

IMO the team with 2 different players would have been much better then they are. Possibly if they could have got a better goalie too.

Both. A good organization constantly has young guys coming through the system who will make the nhl. That's how you become a perennial contender. In this year's draft especially with how high were probably picking were most likely going to get a guy who can play immediately.
- Tfaehner

With the deepest prospect pool in the league, it needed more picks to get better?

7 points out of the playoffs last season and you get the 2OA pick. The team is now worse.

Only thing that matters in nutter’s eyes is the proper development of the kids.

Hakstol is failing here in my eyes, and the ongoing BS with Konecny is starting to get disturbing.

Hextalls faith in Hak is getting people angry it seems, and rightfully so.

My bday is on the 18th. Varsity being gone is a decent present.

With the deepest prospect pool in the league, it needed more picks to get better?

7 points out of the playoffs last season and you get the 2OA pick. The team is now worse.
- manvanfan

The prospect pool is said to be great, but don’t dare ask how many forwards in it are actually expected to be guys that can truly carry an offense.

The D pieces are there but they need more up front. I support the trade for the two firsts, this club should have fully committed to a rebuild a long time ago instead of this “re tool” nonsense. They are sure competitive.

Let it go for a few more years and the (pre rebuild) Leafs 2.0 references will be dead on.

CLAUDE GIROUX SEAN COUTURIER JAKUB VORACEK
JORDAN WEAL NOLAN PATRICK WAYNE SIMMONDS
MICHAEL RAFFL VALTTERI FILPPULA TRAVIS KONECNY
JORI LEHTERA SCOTT LAUGHTON DALE WEISE

IVAN PROVOROV ANDREW MACDONALD
ROBERT HAGG SHAYNE GOSTISBEHERE
TRAVIS SANHEIM BRANDON MANNING

Line up according to leftwinglock

If you had Schenn instead of Weal on the 2nd line. Weal goes down to the 3rd line.
If you they were to trade a young D like Sanheim or Morin plus another prospect or pick they probably could have picked up a better more experienced Right D to aid Provorov.
MacDonald slides down to the 3rd pairing with Manning.

IMO the team with 2 different players would have been much better then they are. Possibly if they could have got a better goalie too.
- manvanfan

The question is what is the goal? Sure on paper that is a better team but is it a Stanley Cup contending team? The Flyers used that approach for years and came up short. They're trying to build a team to become a legitimate Cup contender with a wide window.

Only thing that matters in nutter’s eyes is the proper development of the kids.

Hakstol is failing here in my eyes, and the ongoing BS with Konecny is starting to get disturbing.

Hextalls faith in Hak is getting people angry it seems, and rightfully so.

My bday is on the 18th. Varsity being gone is a decent present.
- flyer_nutter

Using ice time to correct problems with young players is proper development. Konecny is 20 years old and his development is going to take time.

The one place to me where there should be no excuse is that the organization it’s in bid to “stay competitive” continually exposes its fan base to players like Weise, Lehtera, Umberger, Read and Vinny for far too many games.

With as many resources, especially financial - that the Flyers have.. That is the best you can do as an organization?

They drafted all of these nice kids, but now it’s time to develop them properly. There are some red flags here for how they are going on about things.

Let this poop burn. I do wonder what poor saps are still heading out to the games and supporting them.

Using ice time to correct problems with young players is proper development. Konecny is 20 years old and his development is going to take time.
- MJL

If you think they are developing Konecny properly by all means. It’s a big fail, and a disservice to the player.

The one place to me where there should be no excuse is that the organization it’s in bid to “stay competitive” continually exposes its fan base to players like Weise, Lehtera, Umberger, Read and Vinny for far too many games.

With as many resources, especially financial - that the Flyers have.. That is the best you can do as an organization?

They drafted all of these nice kids, but now it’s time to develop them properly. There are some red flags here for how they are going on about things.

Let this poop burn. I do wonder what poor saps are still heading out to the games and supporting them.
- flyer_nutter

Do you think the Flyers should expose a young player to the NHL and put him in a situation he is not ready for to avoid playing players like Weise and Lehtera?

With the deepest prospect pool in the league, it needed more picks to get better?

7 points out of the playoffs last season and you get the 2OA pick. The team is now worse.
- manvanfan

I still think we lack an elite scorer. Patrick has been injured most of the year and is being asked to be a 2c his first season. Long term that benefits us this year it made us worse. On the flip side that coin did Matthews mcdavid instantly change their franchise direction even after the team's had tons of other prospects ? A guy like dahlin or svechnikov might not be quite there but they're pretty darn close. I've heard Malkin comparisons a lot to svech.

If you think they are developing Konecny properly by all means. It’s a big fail, and a disservice to the player.
- flyer_nutter

Konecny is still very young and green. He is going to be a solid player in a few years.

Do you think the Flyers should expose a young player to the NHL and put him in a situation he is not ready for to avoid playing players like Weise and Lehtera?
- MJL

The Flyers really couldn’t find anyone better with the wonderful cap situation they are in? To play the zombies year after year is laughable.

Part two: Flyers (gasp) incorrectly analyze who is “ready”. Far too much focus put on roles. It’s typical, old age thinking.

In a sick way, I enjoy the burn. Maybe it’s whats needed for a proper cleanse one day so to speak.

The organization minus a highly regarded prospect pool is generally a tire fire. Yet another noob coach that is raising real questions about his player development skills.

Everything is indeed, literally terrible haha. I just feel bad for G. To be a part of this trash year after year. Sundin 2.0.

I still think we lack an elite scorer. Patrick has been injured most of the year and is being asked to be a 2c his first season. Long term that benefits us this year it made us worse. On the flip side that coin did Matthews mcdavid instantly change their franchise direction even after the team's had tons of other prospects ? A guy like dahlin or svechnikov might not be quite there but they're pretty darn close. I've heard Malkin comparisons a lot to svech.
- Tfaehner

You have 2 really good scorers right now, signed for eternities. That aren't getting any younger. Teams' going to wait a couple of years, you will have 2 albatross contracts for over the hill players and need new elite scorers.

The Flyers really couldn’t find anyone better with the wonderful cap situation they are in? To play the zombies year after year is laughable.

Part two: Flyers (gasp) incorrectly analyze who is “ready”. Far too much focus put on roles. It’s typical, old age thinking.
- flyer_nutter

Weise has been a failed signing and has not played well overall. Lehtera was taken as a cap dump to make the Schenn deal work in order to get two first round picks.

Looking at roles and judging when a player is ready to make the jump is not old age thinking. It's proper player development. Playing any and all young players just because they are young, is not. You can do real harm by promoting a player and putting him in a situation that he is not ready for. Especially on a team that is as dysfunctional as this one is currently.

The question is what is the goal? Sure on paper that is a better team but is it a Stanley Cup contending team? The Flyers used that approach for years and came up short. They're trying to build a team to become a legitimate Cup contender with a wide window.
- MJL

Used for many years and were still able to create a deep prospect pool.

You have 2 really good scorers right now, signed for eternities. That aren't getting any younger. Teams' going to wait a couple of years, you will have 2 albatross contracts for over the hill players and need new elite scorers.
- manvanfan

Dead on. The biggest need is sadly replacements for G and V. The hope is that Patrick develops into an elite NHL forward. I think his skating at this point is a valid concern that hopefully improves.

High picks is what the Flyers desperately still need. Hell its why some so badly wanted a true rebuild. Sure, you can hit on later round picks but the odds for top tier talent lie at the front of the draft.

I don’t think anyone has issue with a true rebuild. Most I think are in favour. What people have an issue with at this point is the development of the young kids that are being filtered in, or being deemed “not ready”/not fitting the proper role on the big club.

One place I do blame Hex is the goaltending.

What other NHL club would straight up swap its tandem for ours? That’s an important question in a league with so much parity.

He gave his young kids no cushion to make mistakes. Hex has drafted well, but there is more to the job than that. Some of his lustre is rubbing off, and rightfully so.

Used for many years and were still able to create a deep prospect pool.
- manvanfan

Used for many years until Hextall committed to changing the Flyers approach and focusing on drafting and development. That is when they created a deep prospect pool. Before that they traded away a lot of draft picks and young players to go for it every season.

One place I do blame Hex is the goaltending.

What other NHL club would straight up swap its tandem for ours? That’s an important question in a league with so much parity.

He gave his young kids no cushion to make mistakes.
- flyer_nutter

Elliott has been fine and gives the team a chance to win most games. I've never been a fan of Neuvirth.

Dead on. The biggest need is sadly replacements for G and V. The hope is that Patrick develops into an elite NHL forward. I think his skating at this point is a valid concern that hopefully improves.

High picks is what the Flyers desperately still need. Hell its why some so badly wanted a true rebuild. Sure, you can hit on later round picks but the odds for top tier talent lie at the front of the draft.

I don’t think anyone has issue with a true rebuild. Most I think are in favour. What people have an issue with at this point is the development of the young kids that are being filtered in, or being deemed “not ready”/not fitting the proper role on the big club.
- flyer_nutter

Oddly, Voracek and Giroux sort of seem like the Sedin's. They had a little bit of help but not ever enough to get them a cup. Sedin's didn't have the luxury of good drafting though. The signing of 4th liners and more 4th liners by Hextall. Inability to trade for or to get a goalie.

Elliott has been fine and gives the team a chance to win most games. I've never been a fan of Neuvirth.
- MJL

What other NHL teams would swap their starter out with Elliot.

Raise the standards. Average goaltending is at best what he provides.

What other NHL teams would swap their starter out with Elliot.

Raise the standards. Average goaltending is at best what he provides.
- flyer_nutter

Average is what they were looking for when they signed him for what they wanted to spend in both cap hit and term. They weren't looking for a franchise goaltender when they signed him, they were looking for a bridge to when they could develop one of the prospects to take over. That's the common issue with a lot of opinions you offer on the team. You don't consider all the factors or look at the full picture.

Oddly, Voracek and Giroux sort of seem like the Sedin's. They had a little bit of help but not ever enough to get them a cup. Sedin's didn't have the luxury of good drafting though. The signing of 4th liners and more 4th liners by Hextall. Inability to trade for or to get a goalie.
- manvanfan

I get that the future in Flyers goaltending lies in its prospects, namely Hart it seems.

For a GM who is so obsessed with “protecting” his young players he did not do so with the current tandem. There is no fall back or cushion there.

Hex is apparently all about the youth. Yet continues to allow the zombies to play in their stead. If he believes they are not ready that’s one thing. To allow your young players to be mismanaged (looking at Konec and arguably Ghost last year) is moronic.

How is playing any young player for that matter with the zombies on their line going to help them develop in any way?