Average is what they were looking for when they signed him for what they wanted to spend in both cap hit and term. They weren't looking for a franchise goaltender when they signed him, they were looking for a bridge to when they could develop one of the prospects to take over. That's the common issue with a lot of opinions you offer on the team. You don't consider all the factors or look at the full picture.
- MJL

The choice to live in mediocrity?

Average is what they were looking for when they signed him for what they wanted to spend in both cap hit and term. They weren't looking for a franchise goaltender when they signed him, they were looking for a bridge to when they could develop one of the prospects to take over. That's the common issue with a lot of opinions you offer on the team. You don't consider all the factors or look at the full picture.
- MJL

You lose credibility when you make it personal. Something something.

The choice to live in mediocrity?
- manvanfan

Hex deserves heat as well.

Hak frankly should have been gone long ago.

We shall see when the owners of the club start to step in a bit.

The choice to live in mediocrity?
- manvanfan

The Flyers are a playoff bubble team at best with a young defense that is going to get even younger soon. They should go out and sign a top goaltender to a big deal or trade major assets to acquire one for now?

I get that the future in Flyers goaltending lies in its prospects, namely Hart it seems.

For a GM who is so obsessed with “protecting” his young players he did not do so with the current tandem. There is no fall back or cushion there.

Hex is apparently all about the youth. Yet continues to allow the zombies to play in their stead. If he believes they are not ready that’s one thing. To allow your young players to be mismanaged (looking at Konec and arguably Ghost last year) is moronic.

How is playing any young player for that matter with the zombies on their line going to help them develop in any way?
- flyer_nutter

It's not. That's why I disliked the Schenn trade. Took on a bad contract. Now they seem to have a few too many to get rid of. They could have used some of their picks this year or prospects to get actual decent NHL players to help the younger players. Instead Hex took bad contracts and not very good NHL players to get more picks.

He really is doing his own rebuild.

You lose credibility when you make it personal. Something something.
- flyer_nutter

I'm judging your opinions, not you personally with an unrelated personal shot at you.

It's not. That's why I disliked the Schenn trade. Took on a bad contract. Now they seem to have a few too many to get rid of. They could have used some of their picks this year or prospects to get actual decent NHL players to help the younger players. Instead Hex took bad contracts and not very good NHL players to get more picks.

He really is doing his own rebuild.
- manvanfan

It’s been said it’s been a soft tank for years. That’s fine. If that’s the case though you better damn well trade Simmonds and commit to it.

I don’t think people are frustrated with the losing. Well, at least I am not really. My beef lies with the development/usage of these kids.

The Flyers are a playoff bubble team at best with a young defense that is going to get even younger soon. They should go out and sign a top goaltender to a big deal or trade major assets to acquire one for now?
- MJL

They just lost 10 in a row and you think they are a playoff bubble team?

They just lost 10 in a row and you think they are a playoff bubble team?
- manvanfan

Playoff bubble team or not, you are starting to damage these kids leaving them in a tire fire. I don’t like the idea of changing coaches in season, and with less men to choose from at this time of year but a move will have to be made at some point soon.

Leaving Lappy running that PK for as long as they have just screams blind loyalty. Was weird to keep him and fire the coach of a generally productive PP.

One place I do blame Hex is the goaltending.

What other NHL club would straight up swap its tandem for ours? That’s an important question in a league with so much parity.

He gave his young kids no cushion to make mistakes. Hex has drafted well, but there is more to the job than that. Some of his lustre is rubbing off, and rightfully so.
- flyer_nutter

Welcome to the Club, Nutter.

I was banging this drum back when they signed Elliott.

It's not. That's why I disliked the Schenn trade. Took on a bad contract. Now they seem to have a few too many to get rid of. They could have used some of their picks this year or prospects to get actual decent NHL players to help the younger players. Instead Hex took bad contracts and not very good NHL players to get more picks.

He really is doing his own rebuild.
- manvanfan

When the Flyers are hopefully ready to move into the tier of top NHL teams, Lehtera won't be around. Hopefully the two players they draft with the two first round picks will be. The Flyers are focused on the future so trading picks or prospect for better NHL players now doesn't make sense. For what, to be a better playoff bubble team? Taking on an unwanted contract to acquire top future assets is a frequent tactic of NHL teams. Many GM's get lauded for it. Some criticize Hextall for it.

It's not. That's why I disliked the Schenn trade. Took on a bad contract. Now they seem to have a few too many to get rid of. They could have used some of their picks this year or prospects to get actual decent NHL players to help the younger players. Instead Hex took bad contracts and not very good NHL players to get more picks.

He really is doing his own rebuild.
- manvanfan

To be fair, if Flip could play, even just a little bit, he could have helped with the loss of Schenn.

Flip has been hot garbage.

They just lost 10 in a row and you think they are a playoff bubble team?
- manvanfan

I said the Flyers are a playoff bubble team at best. Meaning that is the context you have to look at when determining if you should give up future assets to try and make the team better now.

Welcome to the Club, Nutter.

I was banging this drum back when they signed Elliott.
- ggunky

I’m in team negative thank you. Not some club haha.

Again, Elliot and Neuvirth was the best they could do to cushion these kids? Really? Nobody wants a franchise guy for 6years but that’s the best you can find?

When the Flyers are hopefully ready to move into the tier of top NHL teams, Lehtera won't be around. Hopefully the two players they draft with the two first round picks will be. The Flyers are focused on the future so trading picks or prospect for better NHL players now doesn't make sense. For what, to be a better playoff bubble team? Taking on an unwanted contract to acquire top future assets is a frequent tactic of NHL teams. Many GM's get lauded for it. Some criticize Hextall for it.
- MJL

The Flyers are not forced to play the zombies for as many games as they have over the last few years. Playing alongside any of them is not helping any of the kids.

Playoff bubble team or not, you are starting to damage these kids leaving them in a tire fire. I don’t like the idea of changing coaches in season, and with less men to choose from at this time of year but a move will have to be made at some point soon.

Leaving Lappy running that PK for as long as they have just screams blind loyalty. Was weird to keep him and fire the coach of a generally productive PP.
- flyer_nutter

If they're starting to damage these kids by leaving them in a tire fire, then why do you want to bring more young kids up?

I’m in team negative thank you. Not some club haha.

Again, Elliot and Neuvirth was the best they could do to cushion these kids? Really? Nobody wants a franchise guy for 6years but that’s the best you can find?
- flyer_nutter

I can't do team negative, i can be critical where it is warranted.

The only time Elliott looked like a legit #1 was behind Hitchcock's system.

The Flyers are not forced to play the zombies for as many games as they have over the last few years. Playing alongside any of them is not helping any of the kids.
- flyer_nutter

Who should they be playing instead? Why has Lehtera played the number of games that he has?

If they're starting to damage these kids by leaving them in a tire fire, then why do you want to bring more young kids up?
- MJL

So the only time you’d bring kids up is when the club is doing well?

Thank god Crosby didn’t get drafted by the Ducks he would never have played.

Who should they be playing instead? Why has Lehtera played the number of games that he has?
- MJL

Organizational incompetence.

Who should they be playing instead? Why has Lehtera played the number of games that he has?
- MJL

The Flyers have shown a continued inability with all of their resources (mainly financial) to find someone better, and not just for Lehtera.

Ask them why they are content with that year after year.

Playoff bubble team or not, you are starting to damage these kids leaving them in a tire fire. I don’t like the idea of changing coaches in season, and with less men to choose from at this time of year but a move will have to be made at some point soon.

Leaving Lappy running that PK for as long as they have just screams blind loyalty. Was weird to keep him and fire the coach of a generally productive PP.
- flyer_nutter

Coaching changes now doesn't make sense I would agree. They aren't a team that is good but playing badly.

They were a playoff bubble team that got worse.

So the only time you’d bring kids up is when the club is doing well?

Thank god Crosby didn’t get drafted by the Ducks he would never have played.
- flyer_nutter

Players like Crosby can step right in and become a top player in the league instantly. So he can play on any team. The Flyers did it with Provorov who was capable as a 19/20 year old of stepping right into the NHL right away. Those players are on another level than the players who need to take time and develop in steps towards becoming top NHL players.

Coaching changes now doesn't make sense I would agree. They aren't a team that is good but playing badly.

They were a playoff bubble team that got worse.
- manvanfan

Thing is though, I am harder on Hak than most. You can have a negative effect, and I think it’s getting close to that with him.

Just watch it be Lappy or a promotion to Gordon though. Haha dear god.

To be fair, if Flip could play, even just a little bit, he could have helped with the loss of Schenn.

Flip has been hot garbage.
- ggunky

Probably a reason why a competing team like TB would want to get rid of him. Same with Lehtera in STL.