Thing is though, I am harder on Hak than most. You can have a negative effect, and I think it’s getting close to that with him.

Just watch it be Lappy or a promotion to Gordon though. Haha dear god.
- flyer_nutter

Coaching changes now doesn't make sense I would agree. They aren't a team that is good but playing badly.

They were a playoff bubble team that got worse.
- manvanfan

You're from Brandon, eh? What are your thoughts on Nolan Patrick? Will he eventually meet all the hype and expectations that have surrounded him?

Probably a reason why a competing team like TB would want to get rid of him. Same with Lehtera in STL.
- manvanfan

There are bargain bin NHL'ers that are found every off-season that do a hell of a lot more to help a team than those two.

The Flyers have decided to go after Boyd Gordon, Brian Elliot and Dale Weise. Who the (frank) is evaluating that talent?

You're from Brandon, eh? What are your thoughts on Nolan Patrick? Will he eventually meet all the hype and expectations that have surrounded him?
- Lip_Out

I was, moved north of WPG in Sept.

I saw him Crosby style take a pass behind him with his skate up to his stick and saucer passed it over a defenders stick, to his teammate for an easy goal. He was 16 at the time. At that time I had claimed Van needed to tank for him 2 years later. I didn't know he was an injury case.

I think he needs to improve his skating. I didn't think he would be NHL ready this year. Close but would benefit from more time to get healthy and stronger.

I don't know what hype was placed on him but I figured if he could stay healthy generally he would be a consistent 65 plus point player every year that could help his line mates.

You're from Brandon, eh? What are your thoughts on Nolan Patrick? Will he eventually meet all the hype and expectations that have surrounded him?
- Lip_Out

Kid has to improve his skating. I didn't expect it to be that bad. His first few strides anyway.

Like the other parts of his game. Patrick isn't going to save the club as G and V continue to age. Flyers will need a hell of a lot more than Nolan.

There are bargain bin NHL'ers that are found every off-season that do a hell of a lot more to help a team than those two.

The Flyers have decided to go after Boyd Gordon, Brian Elliot and Dale Weise. Who the (frank) is evaluating that talent?
- flyer_nutter

Good question. It sours me a bit when a team that is close makes those kind of mistakes.

Van doing that with Chaput and Megna thinking they could fill in last season.

Good question. It sours me a bit when a team that is close makes those kind of mistakes.

Van doing that with Chaput and Megna thinking they could fill in last season.
- manvanfan

Which in the grand scheme means little, as in those players overall effect on the franchise. How the hell are they helping you win any games, or be good linemates to help a kid grow his game though? How is that in any way a good message to send to your fans, the people that support your business?

Season ticket holders will continue to come out, as will some of the die hards - but ohh how I would love for ownership to get more involved (to a degree) if the money started to come in a little less.

Bombers management has some similar vibes as these guys ironically.

Good question. It sours me a bit when a team that is close makes those kind of mistakes.

Van doing that with Chaput and Megna thinking they could fill in last season.
- manvanfan

What's the consensus on Markstrom and Nillson? Just guys?

Which in the grand scheme means little, as in those players overall effect on the franchise. How the hell are they helping you win any games, or be good linemates to help a kid grow his game though? How is that in any way a good message to send to your fans, the people that support your business?

Season ticket holders will continue to come out, as will some of the die hards - but ohh how I would love for ownership to get more involved (to a degree) if the money started to come in a little less.

Bombers management has some similar vibes as these guys ironically.
- flyer_nutter

Sorry don't do CFL.

You're from MB as well?

I understand if you are intentionally trying to tank because your team is deviod of quality players but Philly isn't.

What's the consensus on Markstrom and Nillson? Just guys?
- Lip_Out

Career back ups IMO. Sometimes play better then a back up but not often enough to be called a starter.

Sorry don't do CFL.

You're from MB as well?

I understand if you are intentionally trying to tank because your team is deviod of quality players but Philly isn't.
- manvanfan

The time for a tank was years ago. I am not as excited about it now when some of these kids are coming in more and more - although I do deal Simmonds I think. For what its worth, I really doubt the Flyers will deal him.

For all the excitement about the Flyers prospect pool, it will be interesting to see if there are any true top line forwards that come out of those ranks. Thats still a hole in my eyes, but there are others on here that would be better judges of that.

Winnipeg, St. B.

The time for a tank was years ago. I am not as excited about it now when some of these kids are coming in more and more - although I do deal Simmonds I think.

For all the excitement about the Flyers prospect pool, it will be interesting to see if there are any true top line forwards that come out of those ranks. Thats still a hole in my eyes, but there are others on here that would be better judges of that.

Winnipeg, St. B.
- flyer_nutter

Welfare capital of Cdn Selkirk (this place sucks).

If they don't have that top 6 potential then a trade similar to TB and MTL. Use a young D or pick to trade for someone.

Welfare capital of Cdn Selkirk (this place sucks).

If they don't have that top 6 potential then a trade similar to TB and MTL. Use a young D or pick to trade for someone.
- manvanfan

I think the potential is there, but again others are better with the prospect info on here.

Just a personal thing, but I think its a hell of a lot easier to be a top tier club when you have some real stars up front. Dont need a McDavid, but I think you know what I mean.

I dont mind a top pick if it gets the Flyers that.

Which in the grand scheme means little, as in those players overall effect on the franchise. How the hell are they helping you win any games, or be good linemates to help a kid grow his game though? How is that in any way a good message to send to your fans, the people that support your business?

Season ticket holders will continue to come out, as will some of the die hards - but ohh how I would love for ownership to get more involved (to a degree) if the money started to come in a little less.

Bombers management has some similar vibes as these guys ironically.
- flyer_nutter

Exactly what I want. The non-hockey people to get involved in decisions on building the team. That's how Bobrovsky wound up traded and Bryzgalov getting signed.

Organizational incompetence.
- Lip_Out

Incorrect.

Incorrect.
- MJL

Incorrect on being incorrect.

I was, moved north of WPG in Sept.

I saw him Crosby style take a pass behind him with his skate up to his stick and saucer passed it over a defenders stick, to his teammate for an easy goal. He was 16 at the time. At that time I had claimed Van needed to tank for him 2 years later. I didn't know he was an injury case.

I think he needs to improve his skating. I didn't think he would be NHL ready this year. Close but would benefit from more time to get healthy and stronger.

I don't know what hype was placed on him but I figured if he could stay healthy generally he would be a consistent 65 plus point player every year that could help his line mates.
- manvanfan

I agree with you that I also didn't think he would be NHL ready, though I was in the overwhelming minority here at the time.

I didn't see any harm letting him get back in shape, work on his skating and timing, play meaningful minutes in all situations, them come to camp ready to contribute.

There have been obvious glimpses of the talent he possesses. My belief that his two operations, one immediately prior to the draft, seriously set his development back a bit. And it did. And because so, he didn't have a great camp. In my worthless opinion, if he was the 22nd overall pick instead of the 2nd, he'd be in Brandon now we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I agree with you that I also didn't think he would be NHL ready, though I was in the overwhelming minority here at the time.

I didn't see any harm letting him get back in shape, work on his skating and timing, play meaningful minutes in all situations, them come to camp ready to contribute.

There have been obvious glimpses of the talent he possesses. My belief that his two operations, one immediately prior to the draft, seriously set his development back a bit. And it did. And because so, he didn't have a great camp. In my worthless opinion, if he was the 22nd overall pick instead of the 2nd, he'd be in Brandon now we wouldn't be having this discussion.
- 77rams

There is a solid case for that now. I think if he could be sent to the AHL, they might think about doing that.

I agree with you that I also didn't think he would be NHL ready, though I was in the overwhelming minority here at the time.

I didn't see any harm letting him get back in shape, work on his skating and timing, play meaningful minutes in all situations, them come to camp ready to contribute.

There have been obvious glimpses of the talent he possesses. My belief that his two operations, one immediately prior to the draft, seriously set his development back a bit. And it did. And because so, he didn't have a great camp. In my worthless opinion, if he was the 22nd overall pick instead of the 2nd, he'd be in Brandon now we wouldn't be having this discussion.
- 77rams

Yup, agreed. For a team that is "soft- tanking" according to some on here. Starting to look like the Oilers of 10 years ago. Sometimes just because you are NHL ready doesn't mean the team youre going to play for is ready for you.

I'm surprised there isn't much chatter about the Giroux overturned goal. Looking at the incidental contact rule with the goaltender in the crease rule, they made the correct call according to the letter of the rule. I maintain that the contact did not have any effect on Rask being able to make the save. In the spirit of competition, I don't know why any league would want a goal like that to not count.
Many times in a game, an official will exercise discretion and not call an obvious penalty that doesn't create or cancel a scoring situation such as in the 3rd period of a tie game in an effort to let the players decide the game.
Does a coaches challenge situation take away the ability of an official to use the same discretion or is he locked into calling it according to the strict letter of the rule? Can he say that contact had no effect on the play, I'm calling good goal even though there was incidental contact.

Lastly if I'm the Flyers, I'm contacting the league office and inquiring if that is going to be called consistently across the board. Based on that ruling, I would challenge any goal scored against if there is even the faintest if contact with my goaltender.

I'm surprised there isn't much chatter about the Giroux overturned goal. Looking at the incidental contact rule with the goaltender in the crease rule, they made the correct call according to the letter of the rule. I maintain that the contact did not have any effect on Rask being able to make the save. In the spirit of competition, I don't know why any league would want a goal like that to not count.
Many times in a game, an official will exercise discretion and not call an obvious penalty that doesn't create or cancel a scoring situation such as in the 3rd period of a tie game in an effort to let the players decide the game.
Does a coaches challenge situation take away the ability of an official to use the same discretion or is he locked into calling it according to the strict letter of the rule? Can he say that contact had no effect on the play, I'm calling good goal even though there was incidental contact.

Lastly if I'm the Flyers, I'm contacting the league office and inquiring if that is going to be called consistently across the board. Based on that ruling, I would challenge any goal scored against if there is even the faintest if contact with my goaltender.
- MJL

Because it's irrelevant. Only difference is the score is now 3-1. With the way they were playing you couldn't even sell me a "momentum swing " argument.

Probably a reason why a competing team like TB would want to get rid of him. Same with Lehtera in STL.
- manvanfan

Pretty unfair to Filppula he was a good player for TB and in minimum plays OK ish
for the Flyers.Lehtera is different he is not even there where he should be as 4th liner
And if you look at his salary it is just a drama.But first-rounder dont come easy
Flyers also last year didnt play well 5on5 only PP saved them + under-performing other teams like Devils or Hurricane and at stages also the Islander

Because it's irrelevant. Only difference is the score is now 3-1. With the way they were playing you couldn't even sell me a "momentum swing " argument.
- Pelle31Forever

Shutout 6 times in 26 games is taking futility to an all new level. Throw in the current 10 game losing streak and this team is the laughing stock of the NHL.

Because it's irrelevant. Only difference is the score is now 3-1. With the way they were playing you couldn't even sell me a "momentum swing " argument.
- Pelle31Forever

I agree with regards to the outcome of that game. I was looking at in a broader overall sense.

Incorrect.
- MJL

-MJL'd