I'm not sure who made the claim that Konecny was the most dangerous offensive player for the team this year but it certainly was not me.

It would be helpful to have constructive dialogue if you were to read my posts before responding to them.

I'd also like to look out for you and advise that you shouldn't go around defending playing Weise, Lehtera, AMac and advocate for benching Konecny in a 3 goal deficit for the aforementioned forwards. It's rough to witness a man with such such a disconnect from reality.
- Lip_Out

I guess you call falsely accusing someone of advocating for benching Konecny constructive dialogue. I'm finding out that you don't hold yourself to your own standards as that comment is straight out of fantasy land.

I read what you said and you were focused on one subjective stat in one game and calling Konecny the teams most dangerous offensive player in the game. I would disagree. Giroux actually put the puck in the net. Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier were the most dangerous offensive players in the game for the Flyers just as they are every game. That is why the Boston coaching staff focused on playing Bergeron and Zdeno Chara against the Couturier line as much as possible.

This is year 3 for Hextall/Hakstol. Not sure when Sutter or Q joined those clubs. And can a team bounce from bad to 100 sure can. And with this plan is think if they do that bounce it may be sustainable unlike the Avs.
- dragonoffrost

It's also the beginning of year 3 but it's not going so well.

They may not be the only ones to blame but Jake definitely shoulders some blame for the steak continuing He's admitted it. And the longer this streak goes the more they will press. Which probably will lead to more brain cramps from players.
- dragonoffrost

No, not the only ones to blame. They're the ones who shouldn't be blamed. Single events or games, fine, it happens, they're not immune to bad plays (which can happen when you're making good ones) but not overall.

I don't know what people's expectations are. That they score 3 points a game every game and win every game for this team? That's what it seems like reading this criticism. And that's what they have to do for this garbage lackluster team, led by their garbage lifesucking coach. No one else is helping win. And they've done their part more nights than not. I'm sure Jake will admit blame, and he was to blame for a couple late game mistakes -- but what's he going to say, "Everyone else on this team sucks"? Giroux said the same thing the other game, and the rest of the team deserves to kiss his ass. And Couturier's.

It's also the beginning of year 3 but it's not going so well.

- MJL

Yes I know this season isn't going well trust me. The heart burn watching these games isn't healthy. And the Phantoms tonight didn't help either.

Yes I know this season isn't going well trust me. The heart burn watching these games isn't healthy. And the Phantoms tonight didn't help either.
- dragonoffrost

I know you do!

No, not the only ones to blame. They're the ones who shouldn't be blamed. Single events or games, fine, it happens, they're not immune to bad plays (which can happen when you're making good ones) but not overall.

I don't know what people's expectations are. That they score 3 points a game every game and win every game for this team? That's what it seems like reading this criticism. And that's what they have to do for this garbage lackluster team, led by their garbage lifesucking coach. No one else is helping win. And they've done their part more nights than not. I'm sure Jake will admit blame, and he was to blame for a couple late game mistakes -- but what's he going to say, "Everyone else on this team sucks"? Giroux said the same thing the other game, and the rest of the team deserves to kiss his ass. And Couturier's.
- Mononoke

I don't call out Jake until he made two glaring mistakes that cost this team 2 wins and two points in the standings after this team had a losing streak of 5+ games. At that point your leaders which Jake is one become the important ones to put this team on their shoulders and stop the bleeding not contribute to it.

I don't call out Jake until he made two glaring mistakes that cost this team 2 wins and two points in the standings after this team had a losing streak of 5+ games. At that point your leaders which Jake is one become the important ones to put this team on their shoulders and stop the bleeding not contribute to it.
- dragonoffrost

That's what leaders are supposed to do.

I guess you call falsely accusing someone of advocating for benching Konecny constructive dialogue. I'm finding out that you don't hold yourself to your own standards.

I read what you said and you were focused on one subjective stat in one game and calling Konecny the teams most dangerous offensive player in the game. I would disagree. Giroux actually put the puck in the net. Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier were the most dangerous offensive players in the game for the Flyers just as they are every game. That is why the Boston coaching staff focused on playing Bergeron and Zdeno Chara against the Couturier line as much as possible.
- MJL

The premise of my point was that Konecny shouldn't have been benched for the last 19 minutes of the contest. And (of course) you nitpicked about the notion he was the most dangerous player on the ice today, citing past success (not applicable), and again becoming dismissive of the attempted claim with distraction and positions irrelevant to the initial premise.

These are your tactics, you distract, discount and deflect. When it comes out that what you are really doing is dismissing the poor coaching decisions by virtue of claiming Weise and Lehtera are sparingly used (not true) and are amicable replacement players (also not true) and using claims like the players on the ice have to play well (dismissing coaching influence)

You're a farce. You don't engage in the subject matter proposed. You deflect, distract and dismiss all to take to blame off of Hak, your boy (maybe a relative?). You can keep hiding, deflecting whatever you'd like to do. But you can't hide from your poor takes and lack of ability to interpret what plagues the Flyers this year. I feel bad for those subjected to your self perceived good hockey intelligence, it's a farce, just like your tactics.

You will learn young padawan.

The premise of my point was that Konecny shouldn't have been benched for the last 19 minutes of the contest. And (of course) you nitpicked about the notion he was the most dangerous player on the ice today, citing past success (not applicable), and again becoming dismissive of the attempted claim with distraction and positions irrelevant to the initial premise.

These are your tactics, you distract, discount and deflect. When it comes out that what you are really doing is dismissing the poor coaching decisions by virtue of claiming Weise and Lehtera are sparingly used (not true) and are amicable replacement players (also not true) and using claims like the players on the ice have to play well (dismissing coaching influence)

You're a farce. You don't engage in the subject matter proposed. You deflect, distract and dismiss all to take to blame off of Hak, your boy (maybe a relative?). You can keep hiding, deflecting whatever you'd like to do. But you can't hide from your poor takes and lack of ability to interpret what plagues the Flyers this year. I feel bad for those subjected to your self perceived good hockey intelligence, it's a farce, just like your tactics.
- Lip_Out

Playing devil's advocate here

How does a coach stop players from icing the puck twice which leads to poor positioning on one play and a horrible puck battle where 4 Flyers don't win the puck and the Bruins get two goals? Those are on the players for not executing the clears that allow a change or getting the puck via the face off win or the board battle after the icing.

The premise of my point was that Konecny shouldn't have been benched for the last 19 minutes of the contest. And (of course) you nitpicked about the notion he was the most dangerous player on the ice today, citing past success (not applicable), and again becoming dismissive of the attempted claim with distraction and positions irrelevant to the initial premise.

These are your tactics, you distract, discount and deflect. When it comes out that what you are really doing is dismissing the poor coaching decisions by virtue of claiming Weise and Lehtera are sparingly used (not true) and are amicable replacement players (also not true) and using claims like the players on the ice have to play well (dismissing coaching influence)

You're a farce. You don't engage in the subject matter proposed. You deflect, distract and dismiss all to take to blame off of Hak, your boy (maybe a relative?). You can keep hiding, deflecting whatever you'd like to do. But you can't hide from your poor takes and lack of ability to interpret what plagues the Flyers this year. I feel bad for those subjected to your self perceived good hockey intelligence, it's a farce, just like your tactics.
- Lip_Out

You don't even know why Konecny was benched so how can you say that he shouldn't have been. Your point is completely arbitrary and just an opinion.

You're also repeatedly inaccurate. I never stated that Weise and Lehtera have been sparingly used.

The fact one, you're routinely inaccurate, proven by your last couple of posts in reply to me, and secondly that you repeatedly get personal, goes to your credibility as does claiming past success is not relevant in looking at who the most dangerous offensive players on the ice are for a team. Yet you challenge my hockey knowledge.

You don't even know why Konecny was benched so how can you say that he shouldn't have been. Your point is completely arbitrary and just an opinion.

You're also repeatedly inaccurate. I never stated that Weise and Lehtera have been sparingly used.

The fact one, you're routinely inaccurate, proven by your last couple of posts in reply to me, and secondly that you repeatedly get personal, goes to your credibility.
- MJL

You're right, we should never be critical of obviously poor coaching moves because we don't know what's going on.... Another premise that is absent of logic and takes the blame off of your boy Hak.

You said it wasn't a big deal that Weise and Lehtera have been deployed as replacement players (wrong they play a stark majority of the time) and you also claimed that they play fine as depth 13th 14th forwards (also starkly wrong statistically speaking)

Calling a farce a farce isn't personal. As far as credibility goes, I hope that our credibility is viewed through a scope of logical analysis. In which case.... sorry friend.

You're right, we should never be critical of obviously poor coaching moves because we don't know what's going on.... Another premise that is absent of logic and takes the blame off of your boy Hak.

You said it wasn't a big deal that Weise and Lehtera have been deployed as replacement players (wrong they play a stark majority of the time) and you also claimed that they play fine as depth 13th 14th forwards (also starkly wrong statistically speaking)

Calling a farce a farce isn't personal. As far as credibility goes, I hope that our credibility is viewed through a scope of logical analysis. In which case.... sorry friend.
- Lip_Out

Your first statement is disqualifying and is a shortsighted statement. What makes it an obvious poor coaching move? That you don't like it or agree with it?
You're second statement is filled with more inaccuracies.

Which two Flyers forwards that have been with the team all season, have been healthy scratched the most?

You're right, we should never be critical of obviously poor coaching moves because we don't know what's going on.... Another premise that is absent of logic and takes the blame off of your boy Hak.

You said it wasn't a big deal that Weise and Lehtera have been deployed as replacement players (wrong they play a stark majority of the time) and you also claimed that they play fine as depth 13th 14th forwards (also starkly wrong statistically speaking)

Calling a farce a farce isn't personal. As far as credibility goes, I hope that our credibility is viewed through a scope of logical analysis. In which case.... sorry friend.
- Lip_Out

Lehtera gets ice time boosted by being on PP2 in a role that a coach wants a person of his size in. It's the Simmer place on PP1.

Scott Gordon said 2 Phantoms D are close to returning, 2 likely out til around Christmas. Unfortunately, the hunch is that the two in latter category are Philippe Myers and Samuel Morin. They've both had multiple absences for nagging issues that appear (though not confirmed to be) groin/core muscle area. If so, Max Lamarche and Reece Willcox would be the two that are close.

Your first statement is disqualifying and is a shortsighted statement. What makes it an obvious poor coaching move? That you don't like it or agree with it?
You're second statement is filled with more innaccuracies.
- MJL

I'd rather be perceived as inaccurate by you than be someone who constantly dodges, deflects and dismisses.

Again, you pick battles like benching Konecny for the third period of a 3 goal deficit game. And defending Hak's deployment of AMac, Weise, Lehterrible.

This showcases where you are in your viewpoint of the club and it's a much worse position to be then filled with inaccuracies. It's filled with delusion.

Scott Gordon said 2 Phantoms D are close to returning, 2 likely out til around Christmas. Unfortunately, the hunch is that the two in latter category are Philippe Myers and Samuel Morin. They've both had multiple absences for nagging issues that appear (though not confirmed to be) groin/core muscle area. If so, Max Lamarche and Reece Willcox would be the two that are close.
- bmeltzer

Thanks for the update. Guess that will quiet the calls for Samuel for a while.

I'd rather be perceived as inaccurate by you than be someone who constantly dodges, deflects and dismisses.

Again, you pick battles like benching Konecny for the third period of a 3 goal deficit game. And defending Hak's deployment of AMac, Weise, Lehterrible.

This showcases where you are in your viewpoint of the club and it's a much worse position to be then filled with inaccuracies. It's filled with delusion.
- Lip_Out

Which two Flyers forwards that have been with the team all season have been healthy scratched the most?

I didn't pick a battle on Konecny being benched, I posted that I disagreed with calling Konecny the most dangerous offensive player in the game.

Your not discussing hockey. With each post you move further away from the subject. Not interested in that nonsense.

I'd rather be perceived as inaccurate by you than be someone who constantly dodges, deflects and dismisses.

Again, you pick battles like benching Konecny for the third period of a 3 goal deficit game. And defending Hak's deployment of AMac, Weise, Lehterrible.

This showcases where you are in your viewpoint of the club and it's a much worse position to be then filled with inaccuracies. It's filled with delusion.
- Lip_Out

As for an inaccuracy how many forwards are on the Flyers roster? Here's a hint it's not 14. The Flyers are carrying 8 defense right now due to Radko being suspended.

Scott Gordon said 2 Phantoms D are close to returning, 2 likely out til around Christmas. Unfortunately, the hunch is that the two in latter category are Philippe Myers and Samuel Morin. They've both had multiple absences for nagging issues that appear (though not confirmed to be) groin/core muscle area. If so, Max Lamarche and Reece Willcox would be the two that are close.
- bmeltzer

Thanks bill

Which two Flyers forwards that have been with the team all season have been healthy scratched the most?

I didn't pick a battle on Konecny being benched, I posted that I disagreed with calling Konecny the most dangerous offensive player in the game.

Your not discussing hockey. With each post you move further away from the subject. Not interested in that nonsense.
- MJL

No sir, I just confront your inaccuracies directly and rather than confront them you dismiss or hide behind them in a very passive manner which allows you to cover yourself later.

It's difficult to divulge into discourse with you but you flaunt your flawed perspective often and it shouldn't go without accountability.

No sir, I just confront your inaccuracies directly and rather than confront them you dismiss or hide behind them in a very passive manner which allows you to cover yourself later.

It's difficult to divulge into discourse with you but you flaunt your flawed perspective often and it shouldn't go without accountability.
- Lip_Out

Exactly my point. I'll ask you again, which two Flyers forwards that have been with the team all season have been healthy scratched the most?

Name one inaccuracy that I've made and we will directly discuss it.

They're finally on the same page!
- hereticpride

Haaa

Lehtera gets ice time boosted by being on PP2 in a role that a coach wants a person of his size in. It's the Simmer place on PP1.
- dragonoffrost

Lehtera being boosted by PP time is a positive contributing factor to my argument. He shouldn't be in the vicinity of a Philadelphia Flyers sweater let alone PP time. If you think otherwise the statistics disagree with you.

Lehtera being boosted by PP time is a positive contributing factor to my argument. He shouldn't be in the vicinity of a Philadelphia Flyers sweater let alone PP time. If you think otherwise the statistics disagree with you.
- Lip_Out

Lehtera being on the team is on Hextall, not Hakstol.