Exactly my point. I'll ask you again, which two Flyers forwards that have been with the team all season have been healthy scratched the most?

Name one inaccuracy that I've made and we will directly discuss it.
- MJL

You're deflecting.

I'll acknowledge your pointed and irrelevant question with an answer, because I'm not above that.

Weise and Lehterrible.

They still play a combined 75% of the games, which is actually relevant, not a cherry picked question contingent on flawed logic.

Answer this.

Weise plays in roughly 80% of the games. Lehtera roughly 70%. Do you take issue with this deployment?

Please answer directly, you usually answer passively when confronted with positions that undo your attempts at logic.

Lehtera being boosted by PP time is a positive contributing factor to my argument. He shouldn't be in the vicinity of a Philadelphia Flyers sweater let alone PP time. If you think otherwise the statistics disagree with you.
- Lip_Out

If Lehtera playing on what most people saidat the beginning of the season is playoff bubble team is a huge issue for you. You don't understand what a playoff bubble team is. This team knew it had flaws. Carrying Lehtera for 2 seasons isn't the problem when those aren't the years Hextall is building the team to be a force in. Heck Hextall could even plan to buy Lehtera out after this year we don't know.

If Lehtera playing on what most people saidat the beginning of the season is playoff bubble team is a huge issue for you. You don't understand what a playoff bubble team is. This team knew it had flaws. Carrying Lehtera for 2 seasons isn't the problem when those aren't the years Hextall is building the team to be a force in.
- dragonoffrost

-Bob

I gotta say I’m enjoying this but I thought lehtera had one of his stronger games tonight.

Right now the young kids are hurting them more than the vets. But most of the vets have zero chance of helping at all. That’s kind of how I see it

I gotta say I’m enjoying this but I thought lehtera had one of his stronger games tonight.

Right now the young kids are hurting them more than the vets. But most of the vets have zero chance of helping at all. That’s kind of how I see it
- Just5

It's a different player almost every night that hurts them. It's what makes it so tough to fix

It's a different player almost every night that hurts them. It's what makes it so tough to fix
- dragonoffrost

True

I gotta say I’m enjoying this but I thought lehtera had one of his stronger games tonight.

Right now the young kids are hurting them more than the vets. But most of the vets have zero chance of helping at all. That’s kind of how I see it
- Just5

At least he gives effort....but holy (frank)....how did someone pay this guy 4 + million a year! Personally I see train wrecks all over, vets, young guys, rookies, coaches, GM decisions....everything is terrible...lol. Like the rest I hope it gets better...but hope ain’t going to change things.

You're deflecting.

I'll acknowledge your pointed and irrelevant question with an answer, because I'm not above that.

Weise and Lehterrible.

They still play a combined 75% of the games, which is actually relevant, not a cherry picked question contingent on flawed logic.

Answer this.

Weise plays in roughly 80% of the games. Lehtera roughly 70%. Do you take issue with this deployment?

Please answer directly, you usually answer passively when confronted with positions that undo your attempts at logic.
- Lip_Out

My question was absolutely relative in the context of who the depth forwards are on the team. That was an obvious factor that you missed, along with others.
That requires a multi faceted answer. I personally think that Raffl is a better player than both and I would've had Raffl on the 3rd line ahead of Weise. I understand though that the coach was happy with the 4th line and didn't want to break it up. The only other choice that the coach has been given to put in the lineup has been Read. Otherwise, one of Weise or Lehtera had to be in the lineup, with the exception of the short period that Martel was up. The number of games that Lehtera has played has been increased due to the injuries to players such as Patrick, Leier, and Weal. Injuries is something that you obviously failed to consider. A coach can only play the players he is given to choose from on the roster.

As far as special teams are concerned. I personally would like to see Sanheim start getting some time on the 2nd PP unit is a switch to a 2 D man set. The Flyers might not want to do that to keep both units with the same set up. I don't think having Weise or Lehtera on the PP is ideal but they don't have a ton of choices.

In the long run when all is said and done, Weise and Lehtera will be gone as the Flyers continue to draft and develop players and build their talent base on the team.

At least he gives effort....but holy (frank)....how did someone pay this guy 4 + million a year! Personally I see train wrecks all over, vets, young guys, rookies, coaches, GM decisions....everything is terrible...lol. Like the rest I hope it gets better...but hope ain’t going to change things.
- landros 2

That cap hit is on Armstrong. Hextall took it because we aren't in a bad cap situation anymore and I won't be shocked he gets Umberbergered after this season.

That cap hit is on Armstrong. Hextall took it because we aren't in a bad cap situation anymore and I won't be shocked he gets Umberbergered after this season.
- dragonoffrost

I realize that but that is really bad or this guy has really fallen off a cliff ....performance wise.

I realize that but that is really bad or this guy has really fallen off a cliff ....performance wise.
- landros 2

He's fallen off a cliff. He was a decent player in St. Louis for a few years.

10 losses in a row. Fire Hextall and Hakstol?

My question was absolutely relative in the context of who the depth forwards are on the team. That was an obvious factor that you missed, along with others.
That requires a multi faceted answer. I personally think that Raffl is a better player than both and I would've had Raffl on the 3rd line ahead of Weise. I understand though that the coach was happy with the 4th line and didn't want to break it up. The only other choice that the coach has been given to put in the lineup has been Read. Otherwise, one of Weise or Lehtera had to be in the lineup, with the exception of the short period that Martel was up. The number of games that Lehtera has played has been increased due to the injuries to players such as Patrick, Leier, and Weal. Injuries is something that you obviously failed to consider. A coach can only play the players he is given to choose from on the roster.

As far as special teams are concerned. I personally would like to see Sanheim start getting some time on the 2nd PP unit is a switch to a 2 D man set. The Flyers might not want to do that to keep both units with the same set up. I don't think having Weise or Lehtera on the PP is ideal but they don't have a ton of choices.

In the long run when all is said and done, Weise and Lehtera will be gone as the Flyers continue to draft and develop players and build their talent base on the team.
- MJL

The long run in the perspective you bring it up is irrelevant to current deployment and if anything showcases that Weise and Lehtera have no long term value here so why not allocate that spot to a kid who can benefit from the ice time.

I'm also not of the perspective that Hakstol is this sentient reactive being that is completely deferent to Hextall in terms of call ups. He has say. He didn't play Martel when he was up, that in itself influences who is called up and who stays.

I could agree that Hextall is also culpable in terms of the pattern of poor decision making. However from the points that you usually dispute passively you seem to not be of the mindset that much of the decision making is wrong. That viewpoint is wrong, my main premise.

Tank for the next 4 years till Carter Hart is ready for full time duties?

Tank for the next 4 years till Carter Hart is ready for full time duties?
- manvanfan

Have you seen what he's doing? 2 years...

But realistically, 3.

Have you seen what he's doing? 2 years...

But realistically, 3.
- Lip_Out

Realistically he's currently playing in the CHL. He is 2 years away from being a back up. Another 2 years before he is actually good enough for the team to compete in the playoffs.

Realistically he's currently playing in the CHL. He is 2 years away from being a back up. Another 2 years before he is actually good enough for the team to compete in the playoffs.
- manvanfan

Nice to know that prospects always follow a clearly defined pattern of continuous upward mobility. I'll buy my 2022 Flyers Cup winner t-shirt tomorrow.

Nice to know that prospects always follow a clearly defined pattern of continuous upward mobility. I'll buy my 2022 Flyers Cup winner t-shirt tomorrow.
- Lip_Out

I guess you wouldn't really know. Last time Philly had a decent goalie, they traded him away.

Have you seen what he's doing? 2 years...

But realistically, 3.
- Lip_Out

Now see this is something I agree with and that's why the guys you rail against are non factors. Lehtera really probably is bought out of his play continues at this level. Hell he could even be sent to Lehigh when they decide to recall someone for his role. Remember you can't have a full team of Smurfs. Unless you want to be the Canadiens. And even with Mr all world goalie Carey Price they were bad. Your best hope is Lindbolm to replace him and he isn't ready yet.

I guess you wouldn't really know. Last time Philly had a decent goalie, they traded him away.
- manvanfan

I think many here would say that we lost Steve Mason to FA... But I'd agree with you.

I guess you wouldn't really know. Last time Philly had a decent goalie, they traded him away.
- manvanfan

A trade forced by actions of the owner...

I know that's blasphemy but he mandated they get Bryz.

The long run in the perspective you bring it up is irrelevant to current deployment and if anything showcases that Weise and Lehtera have no long term value here so why not allocate that spot to a kid who can benefit from the ice time.

I'm also not of the perspective that Hakstol is this sentient reactive being that is completely deferent to Hextall in terms of call ups. He has say. He didn't play Martel when he was up, that in itself influences who is called up and who stays.

I could agree that Hextall is also culpable in terms of the pattern of poor decision making. However from the points that you usually dispute passively you seem to not be of the mindset that much of the decision making is wrong. That viewpoint is wrong, my main premise.
- Lip_Out

Talk about deflecting!


As I've said in previous conversations with you, NHL teams frequently use veteran depth forwards to play while they await the development of younger players to get ready to take over the role or spot on the team. So that perspective is certainly relevant to the usage of both players.

Certainly Hakstol has input but Hextall has final say on roster decisions. On game day, the coach can only choose from the players he has available to him and on most games due to who is on the roster and injuries, the choices had to include one or both of Weise and Lehtera.

Martel played 4 games for the Flyers when he was up and he averaged 10:13 of ice time per game, which isn't much lower than the average ice time per game of Weise and Lehtera.

I don't agree with every move that Hakstol has made and certainly when a team has lost 10 in a row the coach is not immune from criticism. I find a lot of the specific criticisms made by fans against Hakstol shortsighted, unfounded, or such as in the case of your criticism for benching Konency, uninformed. Really the only criticism needed towards Hakstol is that his team is playing very poorly right now.

I think many here would say that we lost Steve Mason to FA... But I'd agree with you.
- Lip_Out

As a human that lives in Manitoba. The NHL and TSN allow me to see every Jet game. I can say that Steve Mason is just not a very good goalie. I'm also very surprised that Hextall is allowing so many younger players in the line up.

A trade forced by actions of the owner...
- dragonoffrost

Owner's are a pain in the ass.

Talk about deflecting!


As I've said in previous conversations with you, NHL teams frequently use veteran depth forwards to play while they await the development of younger players to get ready to take over the role or spot on the team. So that perspective is certainly relevant to the usage of both players.

Certainly Hakstol has input but Hextall has final say on roster decisions. On game day, the coach can only choose from the players he has available to him and on most games due to who is on the roster and injuries, the choices had to include one or both of Weise and Lehtera.

Martel played 4 games for the Flyers when he was up and he averaged 10:13 of ice time per game, which isn't much lower than the average ice time per game of Weise and Lehtera.

I don't agree with every move that Hakstol has made and certainly when a team has lost 10 in a row the coach is not immune from criticism. I find a lot of the specific criticisms made by fans against Hakstol shortsighted, unfounded, or such as in the case of your criticism for benching Konency, uninformed. Really the only criticism needed towards Hakstol is that his team is playing very poorly right now.
- MJL

lol dude. It's tough to engage with someone who follows this line of logic.