I'd be curious to see total draws/60 I'd bet ROR's are way higher, Sabres games have zero flow with constant starting a stopping. That's why percentages are better.
- Wetbandit1

He takes a ton of D zone draws too. I don’t debate that. Probably top 5.

But he plays so many minutes. He gets the offensive advantages too, including #1 PP time

Edit - 4th most D zone draws per 60 among centers

He takes a ton of D zone draws too. I don’t debate that. Probably top 5.

But he plays so many minutes. He gets the offensive advantages too, including #1 PP time
- sbroads24

Wow, thanks man!

Offensive zone starts per 60

O’Reilly - 19.97
Backstrom 18.99
Matthews -17.68

Naturalstattrick.com
- sbroads24

according to this site

oreilly
126 ozone starts (27%), 143 neutral zone (30%), 196 d zone (42%)

matthews
105 ozone starts (30%), 140 neutral zone (40%), 104 d zone (30%)

backstrom
115 ozone starts (29%), 166 neutral zone (42%), 115 d zone (29%)

for some reason you did per 60 minutes to make it fit your argument better, but how the hell can you look at these numbers and say oreilly is used more offensively than those 2 players lmao

i would like to see team zone start percentages to compare oreilly vs his team then the others, since obviously buffalo is in their own end more than the other 2 teams

but i can't find it and i dont care enough to add them all up individually

Murray tried a quick fix, Kane, Okposo & ROR
- Irish 14

yeah, some say quick fix, others might say augment...if you look at the oilers rebuild in 2014 when murray came on board, it was going no where...the sabres had very little in terms of homegrown players entering or in their prime at that time

according to this site

oreilly
126 ozone starts (27%), 143 neutral zone (30%), 196 d zone (42%)

matthews
105 ozone starts (30%), 140 neutral zone (40%), 104 d zone (30%)

backstrom
115 ozone starts (29%), 166 neutral zone (42%), 115 d zone (29%)

for some reason you did per 60 minutes to make it fit your argument better, but how the hell can you look at these numbers and say oreilly is used more offensively than those 2 players lmao
- robz228

ut oh

according to this site

oreilly
126 ozone starts (27%), 143 neutral zone (30%), 196 d zone (42%)

matthews
105 ozone starts (30%), 140 neutral zone (40%), 104 d zone (30%)

backstrom
115 ozone starts (29%), 166 neutral zone (42%), 115 d zone (29%)

for some reason you did per 60 minutes to make it fit your argument better, but how the hell can you look at these numbers and say oreilly is used more offensively than those 2 players lmao
- robz228

Because that site does per 60.

O’Reilly plays more minutes than most forwards in the league. You just posted how he has more O zone starts than the other two. Am I missing something?

according to this site

oreilly
126 ozone starts (27%), 143 neutral zone (30%), 196 d zone (42%)

matthews
105 ozone starts (30%), 140 neutral zone (40%), 104 d zone (30%)

backstrom
115 ozone starts (29%), 166 neutral zone (42%), 115 d zone (29%)

for some reason you did per 60 minutes to make it fit your argument better, but how the hell can you look at these numbers and say oreilly is used more offensively than those 2 players lmao
- robz228

Because that site does per 60.

O’Reilly plays more minutes than most forwards in the league. You just posted how he has more O zone starts than the other two. Am I missing something?
- sbroads24

so you're just going to ignore than he has almost double the defensive zone draws too?

this is why percentages makes more sense, and the percentages show that he is used extremely defensively

again -- this is probably skewed because the sabres probably take more defensive zone draws than washington and toronto, so i'd like to see the numbers relative to the teams, but i can't find that

according to this site

oreilly
126 ozone starts (27%), 143 neutral zone (30%), 196 d zone (42%)

matthews
105 ozone starts (30%), 140 neutral zone (40%), 104 d zone (30%)

backstrom
115 ozone starts (29%), 166 neutral zone (42%), 115 d zone (29%)

for some reason you did per 60 minutes to make it fit your argument better, but how the hell can you look at these numbers and say oreilly is used more offensively than those 2 players lmao
- robz228

Doesn't this still say ROR gets more ozone starts than the other two? The real question is does that 2% diff in ozone starts between him and say backstrom account for the difference in production?

so you're just going to ignore than he has almost double the defensive zone draws too?

this is why percentages makes more sense, and the percentages show that he is used extremely defensively

again -- this is probably skewed because the sabres probably take more defensive zone draws than washington and toronto, so i'd like to see the numbers relative to the teams, but i can't find that
- robz228

This is a biggie too. Does corsica have it for teams?

This is a biggie too. Does corsica have it for teams?
- Sabresfan-365

im not sure, but at the end of the day to say oreilly isn't used defensively is a joke

im not sure, but at the end of the day to say oreilly isn't used defensively is a joke
- robz228

They do.

Sabres are actually 15th in defensive zone starts. .5% less than Toronto

so you're just going to ignore than he has almost double the defensive zone draws too?

this is why percentages makes more sense, and the percentages show that he is used extremely defensively

again -- this is probably skewed because the sabres probably take more defensive zone draws than washington and toronto, so i'd like to see the numbers relative to the teams, but i can't find that
- robz228

No. Read the post at the top of the page.

Percentages don’t make more sense. Not when the guy plays an incredible amount of minutes. He could have 60% D zone starts, but when he’s playing 7 more minutes a night than the average player, he’s also getting a ton of offensive zone work + PP time

im not sure, but at the end of the day to say oreilly isn't used defensively is a joke
- robz228

I didn’t say that bud. Read the top of the page

so you're just going to ignore than he has almost double the defensive zone draws too?

this is why percentages makes more sense, and the percentages show that he is used extremely defensively

again -- this is probably skewed because the sabres probably take more defensive zone draws than washington and toronto, so i'd like to see the numbers relative to the teams, but i can't find that
- robz228

The really interesting thing, if they were to track it (and here's where our boy Sheldon 365 could probably MATH IT ALL UP) would be to see how many of the faceoffs taken in the OZONE are won be the guys who get these opportunities, and then more importantly, how many of those wins result in a shot (really a GOAL) by the teammates who generally receive the puck when its won.

Because lets face it, hockey is a team sport, and one guy can win the faceoff back to his teammate, but it the faceoff win is followed by a badly timed pinch, we're all (frank)ed and ROR's faceoff stats mean nothing with respect to his goal scoring.

Doesn't this still say ROR gets more ozone starts than the other two? The real question is does that 2% diff in ozone starts between him and say backstrom account for the difference in production?
- Sabresfan-365

Ding ding

No. Read the post at the top of the page.

Percentages don’t make more sense. Not when the guy plays an incredible amount of minutes. He could have 60% D zone starts, but when he’s playing 7 more minutes a night than the average player, he’s also getting a ton of offensive zone work + PP time
- sbroads24

didn't see that one sorry

Doesn't this still say ROR gets more ozone starts than the other two? The real question is does that 2% diff in ozone starts between him and say backstrom account for the difference in production?
- Sabresfan-365

only the first piece of the puzzle

the real pieces are the teammates who get the puck after the faceoff win

Ding ding
- sbroads24

Dilly Dilly

Doesn't this still say ROR gets more ozone starts than the other two? The real question is does that 2% diff in ozone starts between him and say backstrom account for the difference in production?
- Sabresfan-365

what about neutral zone starts though? i'm betting ozone starts lead to the majority of production, but it can't be that much ahead of neutral zone.

so if you look at it in terms of non d-zone starts, hes miles behind them in number of starts

didn't see that one sorry
- robz228

No problem.

He’s a defensive workhorse no doubt, he just plays an insane amount of minutes for a forward. That comes with its advantages too

im not sure, but at the end of the day to say oreilly isn't used defensively is a joke
- robz228

How many more years is O'Reilly here?

why the hell don't any of these god damn sites cache their results

does it really need to fetch and calculate everything every time someone clicks a page

the page load times make looking at this stuff so frustrating