I think the only way we trade Oreilly is if we are getting a now player that fits the uptempo mode better. We wouldn't trade him for futures
- MCGUIZZY

It would be a F for D swap. Like Johansen for Jones.

I would explore it easily.

Casey Middlestadt is going to be a star IMO

It would be a F for D swap. Like Johansen for Jones.

I would explore it easily.

Casey Middlestadt is going to be a star IMO
- sbroads24

Could be. I guess you just need to be careful with the Mittelstadt thing. He could stay another year or not sign right away.

Has Faulk fallen that far out of favor?
- Wetbandit1

according to canes fans not named bingo, he cant play the defense goodly


My guess is either the defensive zone play has gotten much worse or his offensive play has dipped to a point where it's not enough to cover up for his d-play.

It would be a F for D swap. Like Johansen for Jones.

I would explore it easily.

Casey Middlestadt is going to be a star IMO
- sbroads24

except in this scenario we'd probably be taking back someone who's fallen out of favour

according to canes fans not named bingo, he cant play the defense goodly


My guess is either the defensive zone play has gotten much worse or his offensive play has dipped to a point where it's not enough to cover up for his d-play.
- Sabresfan-365

What? Nothing on my Murray joke? Or does it hit a little close to home?

"I've liked him since I was in Ottawa Pittsburgh."
- Wetbandit1

didn't see it before

Could be. I guess you just need to be careful with the Mittelstadt thing. He could stay another year or not sign right away.
- MCGUIZZY

I have no knowledge but Mittelstadt seems like he will be eager to turn pro and start lighting it up. No way he finishes college imo, or even a sophomore year

except in this scenario we'd probably be taking back someone who's fallen out of favour
- Sabresfan-365

Not neccessarily.

Johansen was flat out benched by Torts and they got a stud back for him.

You need to find a team with a need, and that has a surplus.

I have no knowledge but Mittelstadt seems like he will be eager to turn pro and start lighting it up. No way he finishes college imo, or even a sophomore year
- jcragcrumple

A lot of it depends on how good Minnesota is. If there season ends early enough he'll probably want to sign and burn year one of his entry deal.

Not neccessarily.

Johansen was flat out benched by Torts and they got a stud back for him.

You need to find a team with a need, and that has a surplus.
- sbroads24

What was Johansens salary when they moved him?


Edit: 3 years 12 mil. Im not sure it's comparable.

What was Johansens salary when they moved him?


Edit: 3 years 12 mil. Im not sure it's comparable.
- Sabresfan-365

Did they not extend him that year? I'm not sure the point?

Did they not extend him that year? I'm not sure the point?
- sbroads24

They were in control of how much they were going to pay him. The team that acquire ROR is going to have to live with the cap hit.

I have no knowledge but Mittelstadt seems like he will be eager to turn pro and start lighting it up. No way he finishes college imo, or even a sophomore year
- jcragcrumple

Yea I mean im hoping he signs at the end of the season. Just saying you gotta pump the breaks slightly with him.

Has Faulk fallen that far out of favor?
- Wetbandit1

He's been... not great. Dunno what it is but he's been far less effective than he should be.

Think it's more borne out of the Canes need for scoring help than anything, though.

- chilliard77

Reminds me of 1 guy 1 jar

They were in control of how much they were going to pay him. The team that acquire ROR is going to have to live with the cap hit.
- Sabresfan-365

How so? Johansen had the leverage. They made a big trade for him and they signed him to a massive deal. It's not like they were making that trade and saying "Nah, we will pass giving you 8 mil a year".

If Oreilly was 30, I'd agree a team is "stuck". But he's 27 with 5 and half years left.

Also, wasn't Oreilly's deal frontloaded? He's a dream for a budget team.

Makes 5 mil in actual cash after 18-19

according to canes fans not named bingo, he cant play the defense goodly


My guess is either the defensive zone play has gotten much worse or his offensive play has dipped to a point where it's not enough to cover up for his d-play.
- Sabresfan-365

Basically. He's been just fine from his blueline out, but in the D zone he's been a turnover machine.

When the rookie D man is bailing out his D partner (AND CAPTAIN) out over and over again, you've got a problem.

I cant compare it to today's product because I haven't gotten high in about 30 years, except one weekend I spent with friends in Denver when I just hallucinated and slept.

Back then the best buds you could get were about the size of a strawberry, and they had lots of red hair coming out of the bud. None of this chrystalline stuff you see all the time these days, though.
- Der Kaiser

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

How so? Johansen had the leverage. They made a big trade for him and they signed him to a massive deal. It's not like they were making that trade and saying "Nah, we will pass giving you 8 mil a year".

If Oreilly was 30, I'd agree a team is "stuck". But he's 27 with 5 and half years left.

Also, wasn't Oreilly's deal frontloaded? He's a dream for a budget team.

Makes 5 mil in actual cash after 18-19
- sbroads24

His cap hit is 7.5MM for the entire deal

Weed is way too strong these days. Then you get into all the wax and oils...Its too much
- MCGUIZZY

I do not support this statement

they all stink

Honest, serious question:

Is there really a need for Scott Wilson? I understand a 5th round pick is a pretty meager asset to give up, but is Scott Wilson really the answer to any of the Sabres issues?
- eichiefs9

Honestly, Wilson offers a decent amount. He's a fast, straight line player that will hit and grind in the offensive zone. This is the EXACT type of depth player that every team needs. He can move up and down the roster, doesn't make mistakes, and has a good shot and ok hands. It's a small move, but a very good step.

His cap hit is 7.5MM for the entire deal
- MCGUIZZY

I get that, but his deal was front loaded with bonuses.

Any D man we’d hypothetically move him for is going to cost $

Weed is way too strong these days. Then you get into all the wax and oils...Its too much
- MCGUIZZY

Strongly disagree.