I don't think it's like that. They've got guys playing above what they're capable of and guys being paid way more than they are worth.
- Sabresfan-365

The money is a issue

but money aside do you ever see this team competing for the Stanley Cup ?

The money is a issue

but money aside do you ever see this team competing for the Stanley Cup ?
- GERBE!!!75PTS

obviously not, but not because it has a bad core, because at the moment it has no core.


Edit: incomplete core

what about it?
that core along with drury and briere succeeded hasek/peca and preceded the tank
- Michael Pachla

Roy , Tim ,vanek ,soup ,Miller was the new core

Before that it was Danny ,Drury , Jay McKee, JP Dumont, Mike Grier ,

Right

These "players "are the not the right ones
I don't want a roster full of Medicore ones and everyone on this team is that besides Jack
- GERBE!!!75PTS

The problem, imo, is that you think the Sabres have a core right now.

I believe there are 4 pieces:

Your #1C, #2C, #2D and #1W

Everyone else is a moving piece. It sounds like that #1 W is gone. So We'll have 3 openings in the core. 2 Forwards and a dman. The core is there in a small form, but not in its complete form

obviously not, but not because it has a bad core, because at the moment it has no core.


Edit: incomplete core
- Sabresfan-365

The core right now is ROR,Kyle , rooster , jack , sam

That's the poop core

Roy , Tim ,vanek ,soup ,Miller was the new core

Before that it was Danny ,Drury , Jay McKee, JP Dumont, Mike Grier ,

Right
- GERBE!!!75PTS

maybe...but there was the lockout which kinda muddles it...I see where you're coming from, though

The core right now is ROR,Kyle , rooster , jack , sam

That's the poop core
- GERBE!!!75PTS

most contending cores are 6 or 7 guys. I really only identify Jack, ROR and to a lesser extent Risto as core pieces.

Not quick to get rid of those last two cause I wanna see what theyd look like as part of a full core not this half assed mish mash of guys some idiot liked in ottawa.

The core right now is ROR,Kyle , rooster , jack , sam

That's the poop core
- GERBE!!!75PTS

it's evolving, just like that core you mentioned...2003-07 and beyond was a dramatic swing from what they were doing prior, just like the tank was a dramatic departure from 2007-12

You're kidding right? so much is expected of him to solve the defensive troubles this team has.
- Sabresfan-365

Then, what's his ceiling? I've heard nobody say that he has the potential to be a top pair, but many seem to think he'll be some sort of savior. That doesn't make much sense. "Gee, I can't wait till that potential #4 guy makes us a contender," said no one.

maybe...but there was the lockout which kinda muddles it...I see where you're coming from, though
- Michael Pachla

I started watching the Sabres in 2005 so anything before that I have no idea lol.

Then, what's his ceiling? I've heard nobody say that he has the potential to be a top pair, but many seem to think he'll be some sort of savior. That doesn't make much sense. "Gee, I can't wait till that potential #4 guy makes us a contender," said no one.
- sskkoo1

That's kind of my point. He'll be a great add because he's a great skater/puck mover and a top 4 guy which probably makes him our 2nd best d-man, but hes not going to save the franchise. not on his own and certainly not in his first year.

I started watching the Sabres in 2005 so anything before that I have no idea lol.
- GERBE!!!75PTS

that late 90's team was the most beloved since the French connection with the possible exception of the Lafontaine/mogilny teams...

darcy tore it down and ended up building a team that was made for the "new nhl"...may have helped that the league was running the team while he was doing so and he knew what direction this whole thing was headed

most contending cores are 6 or 7 guys. I really only identify Jack, ROR and to a lesser extent Risto as core pieces.

Not quick to get rid of those last two cause I wanna see what theyd look like as part of a full core not this half assed mish mash of guys some idiot liked in ottawa.
- Sabresfan-365

I understand that you might have only those guys in your core but the Sabres obviously have a different mindset and I'm not liking the direction that it's going into we might think kyle is obviously not in the core but they might think hey he is in the core etc

That's kind of my point. He'll be a great add because he's a great skater/puck mover and a top 4 guy which probably makes him our 2nd best d-man, but hes not going to save the franchise. not on his own and certainly not in his first year.
- Sabresfan-365

Has anyone hyped him as a #1 dman? I always assumed he would be a second pair guy to lock down a pair behind Risto and ??

That's kind of my point. He'll be a great add because he's a great skater/puck mover and a top 4 guy which probably makes him our 2nd best d-man, but hes not going to save the franchise. not on his own and certainly not in his first year.
- Sabresfan-365

We need to get Dahlin or one of the other Dman at the very top of this draft. Virtually every contender has a franchise Dman and we'll never afford to trade for one. I like seeing the team come together and put up some wins, but we need to stay at the bottom for the rest of this season. Our defense will only marginally get better without a legit #1.

that late 90's team was the most beloved since the French connection with the possible exception of the Lafontaine/mogilny teams...

darcy tore it down and ended up building a team that was made for the "new nhl"...may have helped that the league was running the team while he was doing so and he knew what direction this whole thing was headed
- Michael Pachla

I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about..

but I thought that 90 team was just all Hasek ?

We need to get Dahlin or one of the other Dman at the very top of this draft. Virtually every contender has a franchise Dman and we'll never afford to trade for one. I like seeing the team come together and put up some wins, but we need to stay at the bottom for the rest of this season. Our defense will only marginally get better without a legit #1.
- sskkoo1

If you don't get Dahlin you take the best forward ..

Has anyone hyped him as a #1 dman? I always assumed he would be a second pair guy to lock down a pair behind Risto and ??
- jcragcrumple

That's what i'm saying. No one has hyped him as a top pair, but yet, people hype him as some sort of solution to our defensive problems. He'll help, but we need a lot more. We need a #1 Dman or we're just spinning our wheels.

If you don't get Dahlin you take the best forward ..
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Just saw the ISS for December--looks like Boqvist and Hughes are slipping.

Just saw the ISS for December--looks like Boqvist and Hughes are slipping.
- sskkoo1

It's all Zadina but the end of the year he will be the 2nd overall pick

I really hope so, but this year has been brutal for him outside of 2-3 games.

He was bumped down to the 3rd line.

As a top 10 pick he should be a PPG player in the AHL, no excuses
- sbroads24

Puljujarvi has 33pts in 49games over parts of 2 AHL seasons

Let’s wait till the end of this year to judge Nylander
You’re jumping the gun

Add Tyler Myers
- SabreWest

Top 2 PP D men this year in terms of points per 60

1. Sergachev
2. Tyler Myers

We had one, could of had the other

Puljujarvi has 33pts in 49games over parts of 2 AHL seasons

Let’s wait till the end of this year to judge Nylander
You’re jumping the gun
- jdfitz77

And that’s still much better than Nylander.

Plus JP has gone back and forth, and never really established himself there.

Nylander has been there for 80 games now

I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about..

but I thought that 90 team was just all Hasek ?
- GERBE!!!75PTS

mostly...they were all heart with very little skill, but they'd never be outworked and were the scrappiest bunch you'll ever see

And that’s still much better than Nylander.

Plus JP has gone back and forth, and never really established himself there.

Nylander has been there for 80 games now
- sbroads24

Fixture in the Sabres top 6 very soon