Its ok, he also calls Biega an AHL player...




- WhiteLie

Wow pulling up a take from weeks ago. Can it not evolve? Are you stuck with what you said in the past and not willing to see progress?

Anyway, I have Biega as NHL capable that may carve a role out in his prime years as a 6/7 guy. But given the amount of 6/7 guys he's competing with on this team he may get bumped.

Ideally Canucks develop some of their younger D into 4/5 guys and fill the 3rd pair and depth roster that way.

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"We didn't give up a whole lot of chances tonight.... couple breakdowns," says Travis Green, presumably with a straight face




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Green: "I think this was a step in the right direction.. we scored 5 goals, had almost 40 shots.. compete level was a lot higher
- VANTEL

So was your goals against Greener

You could say Horvat is pretty important

Since he went down with an injury Vancouver has been outscored 37-15
- classic321

Spot on and shows the importance of center too. He was covering for loss of Sutter playing extra minutes and the team was up and down then.

Now Canucks have no answers and over playing Hank is risky when he loses the puck. It is what it is and Sutter with Tanev return may steady some of the goals against. With Bo back then there is a chance for reducing goals against and increasing goals for to compete somewhat better.

No, it doesn't.

Your point was refuting that these guys aren't currently legit NHL players.

It proves that they might be able to carve out careers as depth NHL'ers, but what the other posters here are saying is that they're not legit NHL'ers until they prove so.

Weber's current status has nothing to do with where the Canucks scrubs are at their careers right now and what they should be called right now.
- Nucker101

You proved it again. The premise I asked for clarification is that they are AHL only. Weber was called a scrub and let go by Canucks. It just proves he wasn't AHL and got an opportunity to show it elsewhere.

My main point on this is where many Canuck players on the fringe of trying to establish themselves get into trouble is being over played or not protected by a more loaded and talented team. The lack of high end talent now exposes those role or depth players more.

You proved it again. The premise I challenged is that they are not AHL only. Weber was called a scrub and let go by Canucks. It just proves he wasn't AHL and got an opportunity to show it elsewhere.

My main point on this is where many Canuck players on the fringe of trying to establish themselves get into trouble is being over played or not protected by a more loaded and talented team. The lack of high end talent now exposes those role or depth players more.
- Nuck4U

Please stop.

Okay, from now on we'll say "lack of legit NHL'ers"


Semantics...
- Nucker101

Some will take the opportunity and stay and others will look for it elsewhere and if not then wind up out of the NHL all together. That has yet to be determined.

Goldy is still developing into NHL caliber. Boucher is on cusp. The rest have roles to carve out or not. It still doesn't make them absolute and only AHL. Which is where this began. I'll leave it with the nuance of the point and take what you want of it.
- Nuck4U

Well there is our disconnect, you are getting ahead of yourself and talking future. We were just pointing out that the lineup today shows 6 AHL caliber players. Never said they couldn't be more in the future, but at this very moment thats what they are because if Bo, Sutter, Sven, Tanev and Dorsett were healthy Dowd, Boucher, Burmistrov, Gaunce, Biega/Stecher would not have been in the lineup

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35s35 seconds ago

"We didn't give up a whole lot of chances tonight.... couple breakdowns," says Travis Green, presumably with a straight face




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3m3 minutes ago

Green: "I think this was a step in the right direction.. we scored 5 goals, had almost 40 shots.. compete level was a lot higher
- VANTEL

In other words they didn't make a lot of mistakes but the ones they did ended in the back of their net. The solution is play the Sedins less using are top 2 Centers instead and Tanev more. But that isn't an option right now lol.

Where am I complaining? I'm just stating facts. I'm actually really happy with the result tonight. Brock played great and the team lost. Wish JV/Stecher/Pouliot played a bit better too, but oh well.
- Nucker101

It seemed that way but fair enough.

You proved it again. The premise I challenged is that they are not AHL only. Weber was called a scrub and let go by Canucks. It just proves he wasn't AHL and got an opportunity to show it elsewhere.

My main point on this is where many Canuck players on the fringe of trying to establish themselves get into trouble is being over played or not protected by a more loaded and talented team. The lack of high end talent now exposes those role or depth players more.
- Nuck4U

Wrong.

We said that they're not legit NHL'ers right now. You can't prove that they are until they do so.

No one is refuting the possibility that these players can establish themselves as legit full-time NHL'ers.

Wow pulling up a take from weeks ago. Can it not evolve? Are you stuck with what you said in the past and not willing to see progress?

Anyway, I have Biega as NHL capable that may carve a role out in his prime years as a 6/7 guy. But given the amount of 6/7 guys he's competing with on this team he may get bumped.

Ideally Canucks develop some of their younger D into 4/5 guys and fill the 3rd pair and depth roster that way.
- Nuck4U

Yeah it was a couple weeks ago but nothing has really changed in the 6 games he has played since then

Biega is the 2nd oldest defensemen in the entire organization, he is already beyond his prime and will not improve further than a decent 7/8 guy who can spot fill a few good games

In other words they didn't make a lot of mistakes but the ones they did ended in the back of their net. The solution is play the Sedins less using are top 2 Centers instead and Tanev more. But that isn't an option right now lol.
- Nuck4U

Hard to play the Sedins less when your other options at center are Gagner/Burmistrov/Granlund....2 of those guys are barely centers and the 3rd guy is barely a NHL'er.


Green is screwed right now and he knows it.

Hard to play the Sedins less when your other options at center are Gagner/Burmistrov/Granlund....2 of those guys are barely centers and the 3rd guy is barely a NHL'er.


Green is screwed right now and he knows it.
- Nucker101

At least his contract doesn't end in 6 months.

A win would have been nice but ...

1 Hat Trick
2 Boeser Points
3 Sedin's are hot!

Entertaining plus we keep a respectable distance from respectable teams.

Poor Boucher... nowhere to hide when you screw up like that.

A win would have been nice but ...

1 Hat Trick
2 Boeser Points
3 Sedin's are slow!

Entertaining plus we keep a respectable distance from respectable teams.

Poor Boucher... nowhere to hide when you screw up like that.
- Beatle_john

Fixed

Hard to play the Sedins less when your other options at center are Gagner/Burmistrov/Granlund....2 of those guys are barely centers and the 3rd guy is barely a NHL'er.


Green is screwed right now and he knows it.
- Nucker101

Yes, you expressed my point well that TG has no options now lol.

I agree that has been his pattern. But Vantel called BS and says he needs better parnters. Still either way he still sticks to NHL roster and doesn't make him just AHL. I can evolve my take given is performance, can you?
- Nuck4U

Didn't you call Biega an AHL player earlier?

He's also statistically and eye test past his prime... no improvements expected.

Yeah it was a couple weeks ago but nothing has really changed in the 6 games he has played since then

Biega is the 2nd oldest defensemen in the entire organization, he is already beyond his prime and will not improve further than a decent 7/8 guy who can spot fill a few good games
- WhiteLie

Agree. Which still leaves him on an NHL roster. At least until the ideal D situation I suggested.

Yes, you expressed my point well that TG has no options now lol.
- Nuck4U

Yeah, not directed at you, just the crowd in general. No NHL coach looks at that center lineup and says, "hmm maybe I should play Henrik less."

Agree. Which still leaves him on an NHL roster. At least until the ideal D situation I suggested.
- Nuck4U

The only scrub who seems to have graduated is Pouliot. The season is still young though.

Didn't you call Biega an AHL player earlier?
- Pres.cup

No son... go back and re-read the thread carefully. That was a comment from weeks ago dug up. I said I evolved that take and you can thank Vantel for it.

No son... go back and re-read the thread carefully. That was a comment from weeks ago dug up. I said I evolved that take and you can thank Vantel for it.
- Nuck4U

You said he could develop into an NHL player earlier in this thread. He's only younger then Edler... not a prospect.
6 games ago he was an AHL player, now he's a prospect with upside? And your blaming vantel for your confusion?

Is Henrick a 1st line center right now? No, but that's the position he's playing due to no other options. Is Daniel a first line winger? Nope.
Is edler a legitimate NHL number 1 defencemen? His minutes suggest that he is?

My point is that you can put lipstick on a pig all you want, but it's still a pig.

I'll break that down for you.
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You can dress an AHL player in an NHL lineup all you want, but he's still an AHL player.

You said he could develop into am NHL player earlier in this thread.
6 games ago he was an AHL player.
Is Henrick a 1st line center right now? No, but that's the position he's playing due to no other options. Is Daniel a first line winger? Nope.
Is edler a legitimate NHL number 1 defencemen? His minutes suggest that he is?

My point is that you can put lipstick on a pig all you want, but it's still a pig.

I'll break that down for you.
You can dress an AHL player in an NHL lineup all you want, but it's still an NHL player.
- Pres.cup

This place is a chicken poopshow

10 12 16 the death of thus place.

This place is a chicken poopshow

10 12 16 the death of thus place.
- Reubenkincade

How many pages of all the canucks players being nhl caliber is this?

I'm regretting not jumping on the permanent ban wagon last year....