lol true. Plus Gretzky couldn't pack Bobby Orr's lunch on his best day.
- LordHumungous

I concede to you, good sir.
- Nucker101

Rather than edit my last post, I'll just tack on here...

I found the other article on The Athletic that mentions playing in the AHL

Given their late birth dates, Gadjovich and Lind could head to Utica next fall. Since they turn 20 before the end of 2018, they are not limited to the CHL by the NHL/CHL transfer agreement.

By completing the deal as 18-year-olds, as defined by the CBA, they are eligible to have their deal slide for up to two years – this year and next year, as long as they do not appear in 10 NHL games in either season.

That means that the Canucks could have Lind and Gadjovich play the entire 2018-19 season in the AHL and their contracts would still slide; meaning that both contracts would not take effect until 2019-20 and run until 2021-22.

Rather than edit my last post, I'll just tack on here...

I found the other article on The Athletic that mentions playing in the AHL
- WhiteLie

It was about getting extra years of waiver eligibility, not Comets. And really it isnt a big deal as long as each season they keep the players under 9 games per season until they are ready

http://www.vancourier.com...level-contract-1.23065988
https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-faq
- WhiteLie

Thanks so they are saying having 4 years of waiver eligibility over just 3 but no mention of how you can loose it by playing games. So does that extra year of waiver free carry over into next contract past ELC?

That means Kole Lind, who turned 19 today, October 16th, will also need to be signed this calendar year if they want the same benefits for him.

But don't see how this 9 game measure you said applies. Is that not about when a contract year comes into effect on ELC?

This should be fun.

Rather than edit my last post, I'll just tack on here...

I found the other article on The Athletic that mentions playing in the AHL
- WhiteLie

Okay thanks for providing that. So its about the contract slide on signing now.

This should be fun.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Not really.

Thanks so they are saying having 4 years of waiver eligibility over just 3 but no mention of how you can loose it by playing games. So does that extra year of waiver free carry over into next contract past ELC?

That means Kole Lind, who turned 19 today, October 16th, will also need to be signed this calendar year if they want the same benefits for him.

But don't see how this 9 game measure you said applies. Is that not about when a contract year comes into effect on ELC?
- Nuck4U

No thats where the 9 games comes into play, once that happens it activates the contract (burning a year). So either the contract slides (like Juolevi's and other junior players do), or it begins and once the clock has started it doesnt stop.

As my follow up post comments, the real point of getting it done early is that they might be eligible to play professional hockey in the AHL while having the contracts slide. Any call ups would likely keep them sliding until they played more than 9 games in a single season

Okay thanks for providing that. So its about the contract slide on signing now.
- Nuck4U

Yes, it gives more of an advantage to the team. The Athletic dug deeper and mentions arbitration rights, the sliding delays his ability to gain "professional experience" in the eyes of the CBA, pushing him back a year.

I can see why the Canucks would push for this, but can also see why a player like Lind might wait it out

No thats where the 9 games comes into play, once that happens it activates the contract (burning a year). So either the contract slides (like Juolevi's and other junior players do), or it begins and once the clock has started it doesnt stop.

As my follow up post comments, the real point of getting it done early is that they might be eligible to play professional hockey in the AHL while having the contracts slide. Any call ups would likely keep them sliding until they played more than 9 games in a single season
- WhiteLie

Thanks my response to your last post confirmed and you summed it up well above.

So the benefit is if Lind signs now like Gadjo they both can play on Comets next season and retain 4 years of waiver eligibility as long as they don't play more then 9 NHL games by 2019-2020 season.

This is a great benefit for Canucks in flexibility and learning tool. They can accelerate their development playing in their system for Comets for 1 year. Then over the next 3 seasons if playing with Canucks there are issues or needs to send someone down those two can go waiver free.

Good to have especially as Canuck roster gets stacked with better talent in that time period.

Thanks my response to your last post confirmed and you summed it up well above.

So the benefit is if Lind signs now like Gadjo they both can play on Comets next season and retain 4 years of waiver eligibility as long as they don't play more then 9 NHL games by 2019-2020 season.

This is a great benefit for Canucks in flexibility and learning tool. They can accelerate their development playing in their system for Comets for 1 year. Then over the next 3 seasons if playing with Canucks there are issues or needs to send someone down those two can go waiver free.

Good to have especially as Canuck roster gets stacked with better talent in that time period.
- Nuck4U

I believe they can play up to 9 games each season, for what its worth

I think it is a benefit, but not a critical one. Goldobin has certainly made use of his waiver eligibility and we should probably expect 2nd round picks to need a similar amount of time as a former late 1st round pick

Rather than edit my last post, I'll just tack on here...

I found the other article on The Athletic that mentions playing in the AHL
- WhiteLie

Nice share.. Interesting

Thanks my response to your last post confirmed and you summed it up well above.

So the benefit is if Lind signs now like Gadjo they both can play on Comets next season and retain 4 years of waiver eligibility as long as they don't play more then 9 NHL games by 2019-2020 season.

This is a great benefit for Canucks in flexibility and learning tool. They can accelerate their development playing in their system for Comets for 1 year. Then over the next 3 seasons if playing with Canucks there are issues or needs to send someone down those two can go waiver free.

Good to have especially as Canuck roster gets stacked with better talent in that time period.
- Nuck4U

Would this also help them with Seattle getting a franchise and protecting players due to the contracts sliding?

Any info if Seattle gets the franchise when they are supposed to would OJ need to be protected assuming he is in the NHL next season?

I believe they can play up to 9 games each season, for what its worth

I think it is a benefit, but not a critical one. Goldobin has certainly made use of his waiver eligibility and we should probably expect 2nd round picks to need a similar amount of time as a former late 1st round pick
- WhiteLie

Bingo must be feeling some type of way having scott darling signed long term.


Dude sucks.

Yes, it gives more of an advantage to the team. The Athletic dug deeper and mentions arbitration rights, the sliding delays his ability to gain "professional experience" in the eyes of the CBA, pushing him back a year.

I can see why the Canucks would push for this, but can also see why a player like Lind might wait it out
- WhiteLie

Yes thanks and good share of the Athletic article since many of us don't have access to it. Explains it better and you clarified the needs on signing.

Kind of funny though you could say Gadjo is more a team player for signing and Lind a bit selfish not to now.

Explains JB's comments in interviews that he would like to sign Lind and hope he does. Keeping it vague and not releasing the details shows how JB can be confusing. Like when Lefty complains he doesn't understand JB's direction. But I can understand the frustration lol.

Bingo must be feeling some type of way having scott darling signed long term.


Dude sucks.
- classic321

That contract does not look good at all. To be honest I expected him to be decent. If they were getting even slightly above average goaltending they would be right in the playoff mix.

With that young core of Dmen and a all the forward prospects they have they should really try and land another center in the 1st this year but then move picks for the 2019 draft for ready now players.

Would this also help them with Seattle getting a franchise and protecting players due to the contracts sliding?

Any info if Seattle gets the franchise when they are supposed to would OJ need to be protected assuming he is in the NHL next season?
- mauryballstein

Good point. It should under current expansion draft rules with contract slide that should include OJ on exempt list. But not sure if Bettman will cook up something different for Seattle since they are willing to pay more for team.

Would this also help them with Seattle getting a franchise and protecting players due to the contracts sliding?

Any info if Seattle gets the franchise when they are supposed to would OJ need to be protected assuming he is in the NHL next season?
- mauryballstein

Assuming the 2 years of professional experience is still the rule, I think the slide would protect Lind/Gadjovich from counting as professionals for next season making them ineligible? OJ is a year older though and I think will start counting next season regardless of where he plays

Good point. It should under current expansion draft rules with contract slide witch should include OJ on exempt list. But not sure if Bettman will cook up something different for Seattle since they are willing to pay more for team.
- Nuck4U

Id assume with the success of LV that the rules would stay pretty close to the same.

Well if there was any doubt Brock is the new Bure, this week's freak out by the fans proves his worth.
- Beatle_john

I was so depressed until I heard day to day. The only thing worth following right now is his calder push.

- Nucker101

yeah, it's true how many players have similar stats to gretzky due to playing in that era!

Assuming the 2 years of professional experience is still the rule, I think the slide would protect Lind/Gadjovich from counting as professionals for next season making them ineligible? OJ is a year older though and I think will start counting next season regardless of where he plays
- WhiteLie

With that in mind I guess it would be best to sign Gaudette for a contract starting next season? Based on the expansion rules?

I dont really get them..

Yes thanks and good share of the Athletic article since many of us don't have access to it. Explains it better and you clarified the needs on signing.

Kind of funny though you could say Gadjo is more a team player for signing and Lind a bit selfish not to now.

Explains JB's comments in interviews that he would like to sign Lind and hope he does. Keeping it vague and not releasing the details shows how JB can be confusing. Like when Lefty complains he doesn't understand JB's direction. But I can understand the frustration lol.
- Nuck4U

Worth the $50 IMO

You could go with the team player angle, but because I am not as high on Gadjovich I see it as him wanting to secure a little extra time before second contract and that Lind is more confident he can position himself better in that regard. Given how he has performed this far through mono, I think he probably feels he can continue to improve on a really good D+1 season

That contract does not look good at all. To be honest I expected him to be decent. If they were getting even slightly above average goaltending they would be right in the playoff mix.

With that young core of Dmen and a all the forward prospects they have they should really try and land another center in the 1st this year but then move picks for the 2019 draft for ready now players.
- mauryballstein

Should have done what the oilers and sharks did.

Jones and Talbot still had 1 year left on their deals so they could see how they worked out.

Signing a long term extension sight unseen is risky as hell.