Boucher, Dowd, Gaunce, Biega, Stecher, and Burmistrov.

Nearly all have passed through waivers at some point recently in their careers. The contentious one is Stecher. I am not sure if the link will work but it goes to a HERO chart that shows him slightly below a typical 3rd pairing defender, which you could say it not NHL calibre

https://public.tableau.co...QDZQXM?:display_count=yes
- WhiteLie

You know there are NHL caliber players in the AHL. Waivers is situational not solid proof plus as you said not all of them have been through. It's one thing saying they are 3rd pair or bottom 6 types and another AHL.

Jake has been stirring the pot a bit last few games
- VANTEL

He should concentrate on not getting knocked off the puck when he has it

Without the puck good on him.

They don't like the physical play.

He should concentrate on not getting knocked off the puck when he has it

Without the puck good on him.

They don't like the physical play.
- VanHockeyGuy

Still learnng

seriously, Stecher, Virtanen, Boucher, Gaunce, Dowd and Burmistrov. That was easy, now for objective...open your eyes and watch them actually play....really poorly.
- Makita

Amazing objectivity. Hard for you to get away from biased thinking lol. But hey you're entitled to your opinion. Good talk.

You know there are NHL caliber players in the AHL. Waivers is situational not solid proof plus as you said not all of them have been. It's one thing saying they are 3rd pair or bottom 6 types and another AHL.
- Nuck4U

Boucher was waived by a team desperate for goals at the time(NJ).

Gaunce can't score or produce any offense at all in the NHL, that's pretty much an AHL player.

Biega has been a career AHL'er until lately, and even then he's been a call-up/press box dman for the bottom feeding Canucks. Healthy scratches for bottom feeding teams are usually not considered legit NHL players.

We haven't seen enough of Dowd to judge yet, but he was a healthy scratch for a LA Kings team that is always looking to add more goals/speed since they've struggled in both areas in recent years.

Stetcher was solid last year, but this year he's taken a step back. He's not creating offense and will always struggle defensively since he's so small and doesn't have the elite hockey sense/positioning to make up for it. He'd probably be in and out of the lineup for a legit playoff team.

Burmistrov was let go for free and not even RFA qualified by the bottom feeding Yotes. He was also waived by the Jets who also missed the playoffs last year. He's been a healthy scratch for the offensively-starved Canucks, making him a fringe NHL'er at best.

Still learnng
- VANTEL

Me too, good night.

Earth needs to rebuild desperately, Mars has a brighter future
- Nucker101

there couldnt be a more correct statement than that
said the same myself a few times.

when people go up there in 2024 I hope they dont use a monetary system, draw no borders, make no countries and avoid any sort of government that has failed on earth to date.

Still learnng
- VANTEL

For sure, has to adjust to life as a bottom6 role player at this level. Guy isn't going to be the scorer he was in junior so he has to be effective outside of point totals.

there couldnt be a more correct statement than that
said the same myself a few times.

when people go up there in 2024 I hope they dont use a monetary system, draw no borders, make no countries and avoid any sort of government that has failed on earth to date.
- SMBDragon

Boucher was waived by a team desperate for goals at the time(NJ).

Gaunce can't score or produce any offense at all in the NHL, that's pretty much an AHL player.

Biega has been a career AHL'er until lately, and even then he's been a call-up/press box dman for the bottom feeding Canucks. Healthy scratches for bottom feeding teams are usually not considered legit NHL players.

We haven't seen enough of Dowd to judge yet, but he was a healthy scratch for a LA Kings team that is always looking to add more goals/speed since they've struggled in both areas in recent years.

Stetcher was solid last year, but this year he's taken a step back. He's not creating offense and will always struggle defensively since he's so small and doesn't have the elite hockey sense/positioning to make up for it. He'd probably be in and out of the lineup for a legit playoff team.

Burmistrov was let go for free and not even RFA qualified by the bottom feeding Yotes. He was also waived by the Jets who also missed the playoffs last year. He's been a healthy scratch for the offensively-starved Canucks, making him a fringe NHL'er at best.
- Nucker101

Yes they have fringe NHL resumes. It's make or break for some as well to forge a career as a regular.

You know there are NHL caliber players in the AHL. Waivers is situational not solid proof plus as you said not all of them have been through. It's one thing saying they are 3rd pair or bottom 6 types and another AHL.
- Nuck4U

Yes but those are often on contending teams that have good depth and excess of talent, not bottom feeders or rebuilders.

I see Nucker has also provided a response and I agree with his notes

Boucher was waived by a team desperate for goals at the time(NJ).

Gaunce can't score or produce any offense at all in the NHL, that's pretty much an AHL player.

Biega has been a career AHL'er until lately, and even then he's been a call-up/press box dman for the bottom feeding Canucks. Healthy scratches for bottom feeding teams are usually not considered legit NHL players.

We haven't seen enough of Dowd to judge yet, but he was a healthy scratch for a LA Kings team that is always looking to add more goals/speed since they've struggled in both areas in recent years.

Stetcher was solid last year, but this year he's taken a step back. He's not creating offense and will always struggle defensively since he's so small and doesn't have the elite hockey sense/positioning to make up for it. He'd probably be in and out of the lineup for a legit playoff team.

Burmistrov was let go for free and not even RFA qualified by the bottom feeding Yotes. He was also waived by the Jets who also missed the playoffs last year. He's been a healthy scratch for the offensively-starved Canucks, making him a fringe NHL'er at best.
- Nucker101

Jake has been stirring the pot a bit last few games
- VANTEL

Yes they have fringe NHL resumes. It's make or break for some as well to forge a career as a regular.
- Nuck4U

It's fair to say they're closer to AHL players than NHL player until proven otherwise.

Sure like that Orlov goal

- RealityChecker

Yes they have fringe NHL resumes. It's make or break for some as well to forge a career as a regular.
- Nuck4U

AHL'er?

Yes they have fringe NHL resumes. It's make or break for some as well to forge a career as a regular.
- Nuck4U

I think you just answered it. If they are not regular NHLers then they are not really NHLers (by default the next level below is AHL)

I think you just answered it. If they are not regular NHLers then they are not really NHLers (by default the next level below is AHL)
- WhiteLie

Yup

- Nucker101

and no religion either.

strip clubs are allowed on the other hand

AHL'er?
- Marwood

What?

and no religion either.

strip clubs are allowed on the other hand
- SMBDragon

You are truly good, I missed Biega added Virtanen because he could use a little more time in the AHL, but I will remove him and add Biega.
- Makita

If your premise is development then your list makes less sense. But you are entitled to your opinion.

wtf Vantel

For sure, has to adjust to life as a bottom6 role player at this level. Guy isn't going to be the scorer he was in junior so he has to be effective outside of point totals.
- Nucker101

It's his first full season in NHL. Should we have pegged Horvat a bottom six too? It takes longer to develop power forwards who can play in the top 6 in the NHL. The scoring comes last. Ask Bertuzzi on his take.