Marchessault scored 30 goals last year
James Neal's been scoring at a first line rate his entire career
Perron has always been up and down but he's a second liner when he's on
Reilly Smith has been putting up solid 2nd line numbers for 5 years
Vegas are a definitely a surprise but to say they're a bunch of 3-4 liners is just not true
- Brooks_Light

Ya respectfully bro can't get there on that. 2-3 players that have eclipsed 20 goals here and there don't really make solid 2nd liners. James Neal I will give you for sure but 90% of that team is just real hard working 3-4 liners. But it's like they always say, hard work will always win over talent that doesn't work hard..and I will give Vegas full marks for their work ethic...it is unreal. Plus they are well coached.

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- Bowel-Auger

fantastic

I know no one saw Vegas coming. A team full of 3-4 liners and ahead of the Nucks by almost 15 pts...
- LordHumungous

they have a fantastic coach in gallant.....he took florida from the basement
in this past offseason I definitely wanted him here

Ya respectfully bro can't get there on that. 2-3 players that have eclipsed 20 goals here and there don't really make solid 2nd liners. James Neal I will give you for sure but 90% of that team is just real hard working 3-4 liners. But it's like they always say, hard work will always win over talent that doesn't work hard..and I will give Vegas full marks for their work ethic...it is unreal. Plus they are well coached.
- LordHumungous

Well respectively I think it does, if a player consistently puts up points and is effective over a number of years, that warrants being called a 1st or 2nd line player. Just take a look at Smith and Perrons numbers - its been 2nd line productivity pretty much the whole way.
Marchessault put up 2nd/marginally 1st line numbers last year, this year he's on a PPG pace, he's showing an uptick, you can't deny that.
Heck even now that Karlsson and Haula gave been given bigger offensive roles, they're seizing the opportunity and showing they're more than bottom line players.
Good for Vegas

Well respectively I think it does, if a player consistently puts up points and is effective over a number of years, that warrants being called a 1st or 2nd line player. Just take a look at Smith and Perrons numbers - its been 2nd line productivity pretty much the whole way.
Marchessault put up 2nd/marginally 1st line numbers last year, this year he's on a PPG pace, he's showing an uptick, you can't deny that.
Heck even now that Karlsson and Haula gave been given bigger offensive roles, they're seizing the opportunity and showing they're more than bottom line players.
Good for Vegas
- Brooks_Light

Good for Vegas, they will get swept in the first round and will miss out a blue chip prospect they definitley need

I will have to disagree on that, mainly because the player we see today is largely due to his time spent in Utica and that I dont see a large difference between the player we saw in training camp and now. The difference for me is that he is more consistently engaged and more confident

There will always be a learning curve entering the NHL, not many young players can come into the league and light it up, so there is some "development" per say, but he came into camp and made the team based on the work he put in elsewhere IMO
- WhiteLie

I agree, they stripped down Jakes game and he got better because of his year in Utica, but he's also capable of/and is getting better now that he's surrounded by better talent and playing against NHL level talent.

There's lots of players that come into the league and improve and develop every year after skipping the AHL.

Good for Vegas, they will get swept in the first round and will miss out a blue chip prospect they definitley need
- CanuckDon

Ok....what does that have to do with what I posted?

Ok....what does that have to do with what I posted?
- Brooks_Light

Nothing . ... . But you're still wrong

Nothing . ... . But you're still wrong
- Pres.cup

Nothing . ... . But you're still wrong
- Pres.cup

No I'm not - you're still not funny

Hope Demko is good to go in the next year or two...

These two bums we currently have don't seem to know how to make a glove save.

No I'm not - you're still not funny
- Brooks_Light

Thanks for the feedback

I'll bear that in mind before I quit my day job.

Hope Demko is good to go in the next year or two...

These two bums we currently have don't seem to know how to make a glove save.
- Whiskey-Tango

I know just caught the extended hilites and wow Marky is in a funk right now...has been for awhile but kind of par for the course.

Watching the Sedins/Eriksson/Edler in OT is becoming very painful.

Thanks for the feedback

I'll bear that in mind before I quit my day job.
- Pres.cup

and yours is much appreciated as well - rich and compelling as always

Well respectively I think it does, if a player consistently puts up points and is effective over a number of years, that warrants being called a 1st or 2nd line player. Just take a look at Smith and Perrons numbers - its been 2nd line productivity pretty much the whole way.
Marchessault put up 2nd/marginally 1st line numbers last year, this year he's on a PPG pace, he's showing an uptick, you can't deny that.
Heck even now that Karlsson and Haula gave been given bigger offensive roles, they're seizing the opportunity and showing they're more than bottom line players.
Good for Vegas
- Brooks_Light

Points are valid...I just see it a touch differently. I do think at some point Vegas has to come back to reality just not sure when that will be lol

I know just caught the extended hilites and wow Marky is in a funk right now...has been for awhile but kind of par for the course.

Watching the Sedins/Eriksson/Edler in OT is becoming very painful.
- LordHumungous

It's pretty dismal. Anytime Big Joe is made to look like a prolific sniper, you know there's a problem in net lol.

I know just caught the extended hilites and wow Marky is in a funk right now...has been for awhile but kind of par for the course.

Watching the Sedins/Eriksson/Edler in OT is becoming very painful.
- LordHumungous

Points are valid...I just see it a touch differently. I do think at some point Vegas has to come back to reality just not sure when that will be lol
- LordHumungous

I agree - I think everyone is waiting for that but it just doesn't seem to be happening. They went through 5 goalies, the Shipachyov fiasco and a few injuries and they still played consistently. I just think they have guys that are stepping up to the challenge, they play as a unit, and they're a very fast and skilled team.

I don't even think that when management picked this team they wanted to win this year but oddly enough its happening.

I think it goes to show that young players can develop in the NHL, we're starting to see him more in the third period which is another step forward. I'd really like to see him in OT and slowly start seeing him on the PK, it would be a great way to nudge Gaunce out and with Jake's speed, he'd be more effective than anyone of our current PK-ers. I think he'd take the next step in his defensive positioning and awareness too.
- Brooks_Light

Imagine if he got a full season in the AHL, with top line minutes, PP and especially PK time, now that would have been development

Ya respectfully bro can't get there on that. 2-3 players that have eclipsed 20 goals here and there don't really make solid 2nd liners. James Neal I will give you for sure but 90% of that team is just real hard working 3-4 liners. But it's like they always say, hard work will always win over talent that doesn't work hard..and I will give Vegas full marks for their work ethic...it is unreal. Plus they are well coached.
- LordHumungous

They have a pretty solid defensive group. Sbisa,I (frank)ing told you, has only gotten better and better every year. Colin Miller is a stud. Tanev quality, Boston (frank)ed up there. I’d have to say the biggest surprise is William Karlsson, as I agree Reilly, marchssault, Neal and Perron have all produced in top-6 roles in the past. The draft gave them good depth, just goes to show how much better the talent pool in Nhl has gotten. I agree Gallant deserves A LOT of credit, a real players coach who isn’t high on system(wonder what the good doctor thinks of him now, used to hate on the guy when I suggested him)

I agree - I think everyone is waiting for that but it just doesn't seem to be happening. They went through 5 goalies, the Shipachyov fiasco and a few injuries and they still played consistently. I just think they have guys that are stepping up to the challenge, they play as a unit, and they're a very fast and skilled team.

I don't even think that when management picked this team they wanted to win this year but oddly enough its happening.
- Brooks_Light

Experienced Coach and GM, they know how the NHL works and got a bit of luck in the expansion draft. Gerard Gallant was my pick for coach, good on McPhee.

We're still sitting on a lame duck management group.

they have a fantastic coach in gallant.....he took florida from the basement
in this past offseason I definitely wanted him here
- SMBDragon

This is so funny, a year ago when I said Gallant you hated on it because he doesn’t play system hockey he’s a players coach. I see you’ve changed your tune ::

It's pretty dismal. Anytime Big Joe is made to look like a prolific sniper, you know there's a problem in net lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

lol so true. It's pretty apparent that neither Marky or Nilsson is ever gonna be a true #1. I really thought Marky might take it and run with it but to no avail. I wasn't a big Miller fan and he was good for his muffins but I never thought I'd want him back...lol

I agree, they stripped down Jakes game and he got better because of his year in Utica, but he's also capable of/and is getting better now that he's surrounded by better talent and playing against NHL level talent.

There's lots of players that come into the league and improve and develop every year after skipping the AHL.
- Brooks_Light

A lot of players can’t develop in the show though, Trotz said yesterday on hickeycentral “NHL isn’t a developmental league, it’s a win or lose. And when you’re losing it’s really hard to develop” lives the comment and think it’s bang on

lol so true. It's pretty apparent that neither Marky or Nilsson is ever gonna be a true #1. I really thought Marky might take it and run with it but to no avail. I wasn't a big Miller fan and he was good for his muffins but I never thought I'd want him back...lol
- LordHumungous

Still don’t