A lot of players can’t develop in the show though, Trotz said yesterday on hickeycentral “NHL isn’t a developmental league, it’s a win or lose. And when you’re losing it’s really hard to develop” lives the comment and think it’s bang on
- neem55

There is a difference between becoming a better NHL player and becoming an NHL player.

Coming out of medical school doesn’t make you a brain surgeon, that takes development...

Still don’t
- 1970vintage

Perhaps not at the original price, but i bet you we would have won the last two games with him in net and not have been embarrassed by Cal and NSH.

I don't particularly care if we win or lose, but its got to be frustrating for the young guys scoring goals when the goalie can't stop a goddam thing.

Perhaps not at the original price, but i bet you we would have won the last two games with him in net and not have been embarrassed by Cal and NSH.

I don't particularly care if we win or lose, but its got to be frustrating for the young guys scoring goals when the goalie can't stop a goddam thing.
- Whiskey-Tango

The flip side of that is it has to be frustrating for the goalies when the team can’t manage to avoid giving up odd man rushes every other shift, and missing assignments in the defensive zone.

If i’m A goalie and I see a Sedin back checking like they have lately I just skate to the corner as they come in 2-0 or 2-1

The flip side of that is it has to be frustrating for the goalies when the team can’t manage to avoid giving up odd man rushes every other shift, and missing assignments in the defensive zone.

If i’m A goalie and I see a Sedin back checking like they have lately I just skate to the corner as they come in 2-0 or 2-1
- 1970vintage

True.

Imagine if he got a full season in the AHL, with top line minutes, PP and especially PK time, now that would have been development
- 1970vintage

In an ideal world sure - but that wasn't the point of Jake's development last year. In general, It's just not that cut and dry with any player on any team. For example, it would have been great to keep Goldobin, Boucher, Virtanen in Utica all year doing exactly what you suggested, but injuries happen and players get called up. Suddenly what seems best for a players development gets hit with the reality of organizational needs. Every team deals with this and every team has AHL quality players in their lineup. No team is full, top to bottom with NHL players, the league's too watered down, so it's an unreal expectation.

I agree with the Trotz statements that the NHL isnt meant as a development league but that doesnt mean players can't/don't develop in it, it happens every day, every year.

The flip side of that is it has to be frustrating for the goalies when the team can’t manage to avoid giving up odd man rushes every other shift, and missing assignments in the defensive zone.

If i’m A goalie and I see a Sedin back checking like they have lately I just skate to the corner as they come in 2-0 or 2-1
- 1970vintage

True it does go both ways. However many of the goals in the past 5-6 games have been fairly easy and positional saves...lots over the glove hands and teams have that figured. It gets the whole teams confidence down then we have Edler trying to play goal lol. I agree the D needs to tighten up but many of those goals are just textbook saves that both Nilsson and Marky are struggling with.

They have a pretty solid defensive group. Sbisa,I (frank)ing told you, has only gotten better and better every year. Colin Miller is a stud. Tanev quality, Boston (frank)ed up there. I’d have to say the biggest surprise is William Karlsson, as I agree Reilly, marchssault, Neal and Perron have all produced in top-6 roles in the past. The draft gave them good depth, just goes to show how much better the talent pool in Nhl has gotten. I agree Gallant deserves A LOT of credit, a real players coach who isn’t high on system(wonder what the good doctor thinks of him now, used to hate on the guy when I suggested him)
- neem55

Uhmmm..... he actually posted earlier today said that he was the one advocating to hire gallant......

In an ideal world sure - but that wasn't the point of Jake's development last year. In general, It's just not that cut and dry with any player on any team. For example, it would have been great to keep Goldobin, Boucher, Virtanen in Utica all year doing exactly what you suggested, but injuries happen and players get called up. Suddenly what seems best for a players development gets hit with the reality of organizational needs. Every team deals with this and every team has AHL quality players in their lineup. No team is full, top to bottom with NHL players, the league's too watered down, so it's an unreal expectation.

I agree with the Trotz statements that the NHL isnt meant as a development league but that doesnt mean players can't/don't develop in it, it happens every day, every year.
- Brooks_Light

Again, there is a difference between becoming a better NHL player and becoming an NHL player. Sure, injuries have played a part, but “organizational needs” were promotion (marketing) when Jake and Jared made the team, because there is no way either was ready. Now “organizational need” is warm bodies because they a) don’t have the depth and b) have sustained an unusual number of injuries.

This is so funny, a year ago when I said Gallant you hated on it because he doesn’t play system hockey he’s a players coach. I see you’ve changed your tune ::
- neem55

Nope, 100 percent you're wrong, don't know why, but somehow you are

True it does go both ways. However many of the goals in the past 5-6 games have been fairly easy and positional saves...lots over the glove hands and teams have that figured. It gets the whole teams confidence down then we have Edler trying to play goal lol. I agree the D needs to tighten up but many of those goals are just textbook saves that both Nilsson and Marky are struggling with.
- LordHumungous

I find it funny that when our goalies don’t make a textbook save it’s because they aren’t good enough, but when, say, Price doesn’t make a textbook save it’s because the shooter (Boeser) is so good.

In an ideal world sure - but that wasn't the point of Jake's development last year. In general, It's just not that cut and dry with any player on any team. For example, it would have been great to keep Goldobin, Boucher, Virtanen in Utica all year doing exactly what you suggested, but injuries happen and players get called up. Suddenly what seems best for a players development gets hit with the reality of organizational needs. Every team deals with this and every team has AHL quality players in their lineup. No team is full, top to bottom with NHL players, the league's too watered down, so it's an unreal expectation.

I agree with the Trotz statements that the NHL isnt meant as a development league but that doesnt mean players can't/don't develop in it, it happens every day, every year.
- Brooks_Light

I'm torn, while i agree with everything that you say here, a certain poster has me convinced that all the players on our team from Biega to Boucher is an NHL player.... vantel?

Perhaps not at the original price, but i bet you we would have won the last two games with him in net and not have been embarrassed by Cal and NSH.

I don't particularly care if we win or lose, but its got to be frustrating for the young guys scoring goals when the goalie can't stop a goddam thing.
- Whiskey-Tango

How interesting....but nobody wanted Miller back on a one year contract.

The flip side of that is it has to be frustrating for the goalies when the team can’t manage to avoid giving up odd man rushes every other shift, and missing assignments in the defensive zone.

If i’m A goalie and I see a Sedin back checking like they have lately I just skate to the corner as they come in 2-0 or 2-1
- 1970vintage

Very true...for me Sedin's effort on the back check was the low point of the season. embarrasing.

How interesting....but nobody wanted Miller back on a one year contract.
- CanuckDon

Perhaps, but that was also based on the assumption that Markstrom would take a step forward.

Perhaps, but that was also based on the assumption that Markstrom would take a step forward.
- Whiskey-Tango

Well he has been doing the hokey pokey, so he has taken a step forward

Again, there is a difference between becoming a better NHL player and becoming an NHL player. Sure, injuries have played a part, but “organizational needs” were promotion (marketing) when Jake and Jared made the team, because there is no way either was ready. Now “organizational need” is warm bodies because they a) don’t have the depth and b) have sustained an unusual number of injuries.
- 1970vintage

I think you summed it up pretty good there, well said

Perhaps, but that was also based on the assumption that Markstrom would take a step forward.
- Whiskey-Tango

Truthfully, I don't really care. We have slightly below average goaltending but it's not terrible. This year and next season probably don't matter. Hopefully Demko pans out.

Again, there is a difference between becoming a better NHL player and becoming an NHL player. Sure, injuries have played a part, but “organizational needs” were promotion (marketing) when Jake and Jared made the team, because there is no way either was ready. Now “organizational need” is warm bodies because they a) don’t have the depth and b) have sustained an unusual number of injuries.
- 1970vintage

I know, thats precisely what I've been saying. No one just appears in the NHL fully developed, great at every aspects of the game. You learn tools along the way but it's a hell of a lot better to be playing next to Horvat, Boeser, Sedin than Hamilton, Bancks and Labate.

Truthfully, I don't really care. We have slightly below average goaltending but it's not terrible. This year and next season probably don't matter. Hopefully Demko pans out.
- CanuckDon

We always have DiPietro.

I know, thats precisely what I've been saying. No one just appears in the NHL fully developed, great at every aspects of the game. You learn tools along the way but it's a hell of a lot better to be playing next to Horvat, Boeser, Sedin than Hamilton, Bancks and Labate.
- Brooks_Light

Exactly. Plus if you nuanced in the transition level of those trying to become regular NHL players there is another stage. Also, its not necessarily linear in development. The player may take a zig zag path to complete his game. It is not just having the tools but also the tool kit and the discipline to consistency in pushing for excellence.

Though many do not make it even more never even get to the transition stage of trying to establish themselves on an NHL roster. Those types I'd call minor league quality players. Either the work ethic, skills or know how of the game never come together to warrant promotion.

Hi!

Thanks for your patience in my absence yesterday. I did read through some of that music discussion.

New blog is now up, with lots to talk about out of Thursday's game.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...-loss-to-Sharks/194/89806

I find it funny that when our goalies don’t make a textbook save it’s because they aren’t good enough, but when, say, Price doesn’t make a textbook save it’s because the shooter (Boeser) is so good.
- 1970vintage

lol no doubt. Price also has the label of 'arguably' being the best goalie in the world…Markstrom and Nilsson not so much lol

thought Marky deserved a shot as his numbers were the same or better than Miller's last season even with all the praise Miller got. But it's clear Marky will most likely never be a no 1.