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bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 8:51 PM ET
Don't forget AA being a 3C at best and overpaid too
- dpard


I honestly don’t remember Saad being this type of player. He can’t even drive the net with speed. He doesn’t even look like one of the fastest players on the ice.

Schmaltz is quiet the crafty back checker. Hope he puts on some muscle and figures it out. Like shooting the puck. He has a lot potential and elite speed.
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 8:53 PM ET
You guys keep trashing players and then want some other GM to take them for value.

Don’t you think other teams have scouts that see even more than we do? Don’t you think other GMs know exactly what their contracts are?

Toews - 7 years at $10.5; Seabrook - 6 more at almost $7; Keith - for better or worse, they aren’t going anywhere.

- StLBravesFan


If the Hawks retained 70% of Toews' salary, honestly, don't you think another GM would want to build an AHL team around Jonathon?
tompo1015
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 8:56 PM ET
Fine - the Seabrook and Toews contracts are on Stan - so what.

No GM on a very good team is going to take on Seabrook’s contract for a defenseman who is right now a 3/4 blue liner - even if the Hawks keep some money - and I doubt that Rocky or McDonough will hold back $2/$3 MM for the number of years left on the deal.

- StLBravesFan


So what?? You believe the person who handed out those ridiculous contracts should get a pass?

If you don't at least TRY to move some if these guys, you'll spend years out of playoffs WITH older guys on bad contracts. How much do you think Rocky and McD will like those years?
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Dec 23 @ 9:07 PM ET
Put Sharp in the press box and leave him their!!
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Dec 23 @ 9:10 PM ET
Put Sharp in the press box and leave him their!!
- scott.jackson


Correct......absolutely no reason for Hinestroza to be sitting instead of Sharp or Panik. Just plain terrible management.
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:12 PM ET
So what?? You believe the person who handed out those ridiculous contracts should get a pass?

If you don't at least TRY to move some if these guys, you'll spend years out of playoffs WITH older guys on bad contracts. How much do you think Rocky and McD will like those years?

- tompo1015


It would be interesting to read the criteria the NHL requires on contracts. There are incentive bonuses for levels of performance on the upside, but what this league needs is disincentive discounts for performance on the downside. (I understand the CBA and the players assoc perspectives) Pay for play. I think this would ensure better play. I am sick of some of these guys playing lights out in contract years and then regress after getting their contracts. That's B.S.!!!
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Dec 23 @ 9:12 PM ET
Put Sharp in the press box and leave him their!!
- scott.jackson

Since they led 4-1 in the first game, NJ has out scored us 10-2. Ouch
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 9:13 PM ET
Correct......absolutely no reason for Hinestroza to be sitting instead of Sharp or Panik. Just plain terrible management.
- Hawkytalk


Yep Sharp is the reason this team is losing....some of you guys crack me up. How crap drop passes has Keith made this year? 25-30? How many brutal turnovers has Toews had? This team has one line again. This year its not as potent because the Hawks tried to bring in help for Toews. Which in my uneducated opinion as been a complete bust.
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:15 PM ET
Correct......absolutely no reason for Hinestroza to be sitting instead of Sharp or Panik. Just plain terrible management.
- Hawkytalk


I totally agree...Junior Ambassador Patrick Sharp. I don't think he is in the same ambassadorship category as Savvy, Stan, Bobby, & Espo thus the junior designation.
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:18 PM ET
Yep Sharp is the reason this team is losing....some of you guys crack me up. How crap drop passes has Keith made this year? 25-30? How many brutal turnovers has Toews had? This team has one line again. This year its not as potent because the Hawks tried to bring in help for Toews. Which in my uneducated opinion as been a complete bust.
- bhawks2241


Realistically, the only guy that might be worth salvaging in a rebuild would be Kane because of his insane offensive skill, but then again, his cherry picking and lack of D gets old also. There is no sacred cow on this team.


All we have left is to witness a generational demise.
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Dec 23 @ 9:20 PM ET
Yep Sharp is the reason this team is losing....some of you guys crack me up. How crap drop passes has Keith made this year? 25-30? How many brutal turnovers has Toews had? This team has one line again. This year its not as potent because the Hawks tried to bring in help for Toews. Which in my uneducated opinion as been a complete bust.
- bhawks2241


New Jersey is a very fast team so let's sit Vinnie and play the old vet.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Dec 23 @ 9:20 PM ET
Realistically, the only guy that might be worth salvaging in a rebuild would be Kane because of his insane offensive skill, but then again, his cherry picking and lack of D gets old also. There is no sacred cow on this team.


All we have left is to witness a generational demise.

- isu83boo


Oh yes there are sacred cows on this team and behind the bench.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 23 @ 9:21 PM ET
lose 5 - win 5 - lose 2...

your 2017-18 blackhawks...

what a poop start...give aways, spectating, losing draws...
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:22 PM ET
Correct......absolutely no reason for Hinestroza to be sitting instead of Sharp or Panik. Just plain terrible management.
- Hawkytalk


It was no secret the Devils are a real fast team.

I would have had Hinostroza in for that reason. It doesn't look like it would have made a difference but NJ came out with a ton of pace to this one and Hawks didn't have an answer.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 9:22 PM ET
Realistically, the only guy that might be worth salvaging in a rebuild would be Kane because of his insane offensive skill, but then again, his cherry picking and lack of D gets old also. There is no sacred cow on this team.


All we have left is to witness a generational demise.

- isu83boo



Do you watch the Hawks? Kane doesn’t just cherry pick. He’s also coached to stay up high in the dzone and plays plenty of D as a wing. He’s the Hawks best player and hardest worker. Probably the best RW in the NHL.
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:25 PM ET
Oh yes there are sacred cows on this team and behind the bench.
- Hawkster


I don't believe Rocky will let this last as long has his dad might.

If Rocky takes the Hawks home games off TV next year, he may actually be doing us a favor while the rebuild occurs.


EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Dec 23 @ 9:25 PM ET
That is a laughable penalty shot call.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 23 @ 9:26 PM ET
You guys keep trashing players and then want some other GM to take them for value.

Don’t you think other teams have scouts that see even more than we do? Don’t you think other GMs know exactly what their contracts are?

Toews - 7 years at $10.5; Seabrook - 6 more at almost $7; Keith - for better or worse, they aren’t going anywhere.

- StLBravesFan


c'mon sage...the hawks sows ears for the other teams silk purses...happens all the time getter don stan...
isu83boo
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.25.2017

Dec 23 @ 9:27 PM ET
Do you watch the Hawks? Kane doesn’t just cherry pick. He’s also coached to stay up high in the dzone and plays plenty of D as a wing. He’s the Hawks best player and hardest worker. Probably the best RW in the NHL.
- bhawks2241


I didn't say he just cherry picks, but your response agrees that he does. I said he has insane offensive skill and is probably the only salvageable player in a rebuild.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Dec 23 @ 9:31 PM ET
I didn't say he just cherry picks, but your response agrees that he does. I said he has insane offensive skill and is probably the only salvageable player in a rebuild.
- isu83boo


Kane is the only guy left from the Core who is still an Elite player.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Dec 23 @ 9:31 PM ET
I heard Conroy talking about Kane being one of the few veterans to attend the optional skate, and being the last one off of the ice. Give Kane the C right now!
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 9:32 PM ET
I didn't say he just cherry picks, but your response agrees that he does. I said he has insane offensive skill and is probably the only salvageable player in a rebuild.
- isu83boo



Except for your the fact you made a backhand comment that all he does is cherry pick and that he does not play any D. Both are inaccurate. Playing high in the zone isn’t cherry picking. He’s not going to win a Selke but his defensive game is just fine these days.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 23 @ 9:34 PM ET
Kane is the only guy left from the Core who is still an Elite player.
- EnzoD



It’s not even close anymore. Kane is the reason this team goes. Toews can’t even stick handle. I see Toews half assing it back on the back check more than Kane.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Dec 23 @ 9:36 PM ET
Kane is the only guy left from the Core who is still an Elite player.
- EnzoD


Crawford.
spanky
Joined: 07.12.2010

Dec 23 @ 9:36 PM ET
Fine - the Seabrook and Toews contracts are on Stan - so what.

No GM on a very good team is going to take on Seabrook’s contract for a defenseman who is right now a 3/4 blue liner - even if the Hawks keep some money - and I doubt that Rocky or McDonough will hold back $2/$3 MM for the number of years left on the deal.

- StLBravesFan



Who knows if Rocky holds back 2/3M? Maybe the league will again have a 2 player buyout as part of the players union new contract.
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