Right now I'd be against messing with 38/8/88....

AA to Line 3 Center? Kampf to L4-C, Wingels to wing? Bouma becomes 13th forward?

Or package a player or two for a bigger upgrade at Center.
- kwolf68

Agree. I wouldn't mess with Schmaltz right now. 10 points in 10 games and Hartman is actually playing well. Sharp-AA-ADB as line 3. Hayden-Kampf-Wingels.

Right now I'd be against messing with 38/8/88....

AA to Line 3 Center? Kampf to L4-C, Wingels to wing? Bouma becomes 13th forward?

Or package a player or two for a bigger upgrade at Center.
- kwolf68

I’m wondering who gets sent down.

Agree. I wouldn't mess with Schmaltz right now. 10 points in 10 games and Hartman is actually playing well. Sharp-AA-ADB as line 3. Hayden-Kampf-Wingels.
- JRoenick97

Yea, that's my thought. AA can create space for Sharp and ADB, is very good defensively as well. Only thing I don't love is neither Sharp or AA are particular great setup men and I think ADB needs that, but I'd still roll it.

Hayden/Kampf/Wingels would be great. Bouma has his moments, but is really not anything special. With Kampf down to Line 4, you get an upgrade at center from standpoint of faceoffs and defensive zone/PK play. Wingels and Hayden on the wings to turn loose and forecheck the poop out of everyone. Kampf has a little bit of offensive skill too, so I think that line would be even better offensively.

Though small sample size, Vinnie looked great with 19 and 20 last night. His speed is noticeable and that will help open up ice for the big boys much the same way a huge physical guy would.

This team is like a frigging roller coaster right now...some games they look like it's time for a full rebuild, other games they look like a legit team. I do like the team honestly, though I think legit 2/3 Center who can win 50% on draws would step us up further. However, I also can't say its not a good idea to let Schmaltz and Kampf develop at center either.

Agree. I wouldn't mess with Schmaltz right now. 10 points in 10 games and Hartman is actually playing well. Sharp-AA-ADB as line 3. Hayden-Kampf-Wingels.
- JRoenick97

I agree. If Kampf keeps showing his is a solid two way guy you really want him there at 4C. A big body who can skate as a natural center. I get that Bouma tries hard and is solid on D but he really doesn't lay that many big heavy hits. He brings nothing on offense. I think its an upgrade to have Kampf at 4C and Wingels on the wing.

I’m wondering who gets sent down.
- walleyeb1

SADLY, and this is just my opinion and I am not in favor of it, when AA comes back Kampf probably goes back to Rockford. Or maybe they send a D-man down? I don't know, but I think Kampf needs a look on L4-C when AA comes back.

I’m wondering who gets sent down.
- walleyeb1

It's time for a trade. There are some underutilized assets on this team that could get some sort of return like Kempny, Forsberg, and Panik. I don't think you get much for them, but you'd get something, which is better than having them picked up on waivers on their way to Rockford.

Forsberg was a good pick up but I'm not sure he is the future if he's sitting behind Glass right now.

It's time for a trade. There are some underutilized assets on this team that could get some sort of return like Kempny, Forsberg, and Panik. I don't think you get much for them, but you'd get something, which is better than having them picked up on waivers on their way to Rockford.

Forsberg was a good pick up but I'm not sure he is the future if he's sitting behind Glass right now.
- matt_ahrens

And I thought Nalimov was the future tender after crow, Forsberg is just a stop gap...

And I thought Nalimov was the future tender after crow, Forsberg is just a stop gap...
- ToewsdNKanefusd

anyway...3 years from now it won't matter as the Hawks will be in full rebuild mode...

Agree. I wouldn't mess with Schmaltz right now. 10 points in 10 games and Hartman is actually playing well. Sharp-AA-ADB as line 3. Hayden-Kampf-Wingels.
- JRoenick97

The thing that worries me, is that Sharp-AA-ADB were struggling when they were together as line 3 early in the season. Not saying they shouldn't give it a try, but I'm not sure AA has had any luck when playing without Kane or Panarin since he came to the Hawks. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I would like to see as far as lines go:
Sadd towes wiggles
Hartman smaltz kane
Panik AA(when he gets back) debricant
Bouma kampf hayden
Sharp hino extra forwards

Kieth orsetle
Murphy seabrook
Forsling rutta/franson

Crow forsberg

Thouhts?

I would like to see as far as lines go:
Sadd towes wiggles
Hartman smaltz kane
Panik AA(when he gets back) debricant
Bouma kampf hayden
Sharp hino extra forwards

Kieth orsetle
Murphy seabrook
Forsling rutta/franson

Crow forsberg

Thouhts?
- Scott1977

Panik is where he needs to be, in the press box. He got scratched, came back did nothing. Vinnie showed some instant chemistry with 19 and 20 (oh yea not to mention he actually tries) so your idea is to bench him and put in a player, who with his poopty play got inserted into the doghouse? If Panik never sees the ice again because Vinnie/Hartman/etc have played too well so be it, but Panik doesn't get back on the ice "just because" he gets back on when one of the other wingers hits a wall/slumps and he shows he is ready to actually play capable hockey.

The lines as they were last night is how the should run them for a while. When AA gets back then some small adjustments will need to take place.

I would like to see as far as lines go:
Sadd towes wiggles
Hartman smaltz kane
Panik AA(when he gets back) debricant
Bouma kampf hayden
Sharp hino extra forwards

Kieth orsetle
Murphy seabrook
Forsling rutta/franson

Crow forsberg

Thouhts?
- Scott1977

Problem is you can’t have two extra forwards, someone has to go down or out.

Panik is where he needs to be, in the press box. He got scratched, came back did nothing. Vinnie showed some instant chemistry with 19 and 20 so your idea is to bench him and put in a player, who with his poopty play got inserted into the doghouse? If Panik never sees the ice again because Vinnie/Hartman/etc have played too well so be it, but Panik doesn't get back on the ice "just because" he gets back on when one of the other wingers hits a wall/slumps and he shows he is ready to actually play capable hockey.

The lines as they were last night is how the should run them for a while. When AA gets back then some small adjustments will need to take place.
- kwolf68

VH puts so much pressure on opposing teams and is relentless He seems to be a good fit for now with 19 and 20

VH puts so much pressure on opposing teams and is relentless He seems to be a good fit for now with 19 and 20
- glennjpawlak22

It's very early, small sample size, but they ran the crud booger Panik for 6 weeks and the guy was a ghost. He got benched, got his job back and within 2 periods he was on the fourth line, to be scratched again following and has gone milk carton since.

Vinnie got the call last night and that line was excellent. He was doing a great job in all 3 zones and more than handled the tough assignment. Also, one thing you can count on from Vinnie is he at least gives you what he has.

Panik showed some promise last year, played physical, showed he could finish, but has been a joke this year. Not even worth a roster spot anymore. Not sure what is going on...was it he got paid? poor chemistry? Just an inconsistent player? Who knows...but if we move him tears will not be shed. Doubt anyone wants him at this point.

Here’s an eye popping note from Powers:

Jordan Oesterle was a plus-25 Corsi for the game. The Blackhawks attempted 32 shots and allowed just seven with Oesterle on the ice. They also had a 15-2 advantage in shots on goal and a 22-3 edge in scoring chances.

Panik for Duclair...make it happen Stan!!

Report: Duclair requested trade from Coyotes https://t.co/o9irO5Hx2d pic.twitter.com/6RU9pBlGNT

— theScore NHL (@theScoreNHL) January 4, 2018

Panik for Duclair...make it happen Stan!!

Report: Duclair requested trade from Coyotes https://t.co/o9irO5Hx2d pic.twitter.com/6RU9pBlGNT

— theScore NHL (@theScoreNHL) January 4, 2018

- DarthKane

Panik (Hawks retain some 50% of his salary), Kempy, Hossa and a 3rd if they think they can sign him to a reasonable bridge deal.

Panik for Duclair...make it happen Stan!!

Report: Duclair requested trade from Coyotes https://t.co/o9irO5Hx2d pic.twitter.com/6RU9pBlGNT

— theScore NHL (@theScoreNHL) January 4, 2018

- DarthKane

Even though I'd rather have a C, I'd be down for this ... nice buy low type option for a kid with some great upside. Get the Coyote stink off him and he may turn into something (ala Murphy)

And I thought Nalimov was the future tender after crow, Forsberg is just a stop gap...
- ToewsdNKanefusd

There is danger in bringing someone like Nalimov into the fold and expecting him to be the back up. It is a process and previous success does not mean the player will do well in a new role at the NHL level. I explore some devlopmental issues below using goaltenders and Kempny as examples.

Young netminders need to play regularly. There is the mental aspect to being game ready, not to mention being rusty if they do not play often. I imagine, too, that bad habits, technique could creep in. Perhaps bad habits do not creep in if the goaltender practices are above reproach. But you cannot substitute game situation readiness by just practacing hard and not actually play in th games

We saw Darling develop the mindset to be a backup. He was not a young kid though. Nalimov is. So look at a young kid and point to the succss of a A Nilsson, R Lehner, Mason relatively speaking....go one step farther look at the success and the time frame before they became a #1 with Bishop and Allen. Then there is the Russian in net in Tampa. He has good team around him

Talbot has not been as solid this year.why? Never got his game in a groove due to injuries. The team defense much of this year has not been a good and the offense has struggled. Although lately the dmen have been healthy and better.

So just imagine the situation a Forsberg or a.Glass or even a Nalimiv walks into the next two years.

Now I think a Nalimov has to play regularly in Rockford even if he is too good for that league because he will may not play well if he is Crawford's back up

I can also bring into this conversation Rick's response to my comments about Kempny because although he pl aur a different position, we can green something about the choice of a young goaltender from that discussion.

Kempny had been scouted before signing. He had success and was no kid after playing pro and playing in various Tournaments like the Olympics and the euro championships.

I thought with playing time Kempny would at least be a little bit better. Apparently not because the coaching staff - Samuelsson and Q - view him as the 8th dman.

So Nalimov is no sure thing to come in and be successful as the back up.

Sometimes you know there is an issue. Sam Bennett or Forsling/Ruuta handle physical play. Kempny is not really consistent no matter a promising career path prior to NHL signing.

Nalimov is no sure thing

Panik (Hawks retain some 50% of his salary), Kempy, Hossa and a 3rd if they think they can sign him to a reasonable bridge deal.
- -Doh-

Why trade Hossa, what benefit more than LTIR? What are the risks -

Why trade Hossa, what benefit more than LTIR? What are the risks -
- riozzo

They need a player like that to take up the space on their LTIR.

There is danger in bringing someone like Nalimov into the fold and expecting him to be the back up. It is a process and previous success does not mean the player will do well in a new role at the NHL level. I explore some devlopmental issues below using goaltenders and Kempny as examples.

Young netminders need to play regularly. There is the mental aspect to being game ready, not to mention being rusty if they do not play often. I imagine, too, that bad habits, technique could creep in. Perhaps bad habits do not creep in if the goaltender practices are above reproach. But you cannot substitute game situation readiness by just practacing hard and not actually play in th games

We saw Darling develop the mindset to be a backup. He was not a young kid though. Nalimov is. So look at a young kid and point to the succss of a A Nilsson, R Lehner, Mason relatively speaking....go one step farther look at the success and the time frame before they became a #1 with Bishop and Allen. Then there is the Russian in net in Tampa. He has good team around him

Talbot has not been as solid this year.why? Never got his game in a groove due to injuries. The team defense much of this year has not been a good and the offense has struggled. Although lately the dmen have been healthy and better.

So just imagine the situation a Forsberg or a.Glass or even a Nalimiv walks into the next two years.

Now I think a Nalimov has to play regularly in Rockford even if he is too good for that league because he will may not play well if he is Crawford's back up

I can also bring into this conversation Rick's response to my comments about Kempny because although he pl aur a different position, we can green something about the choice of a young goaltender from that discussion.

Kempny had been scouted before signing. He had success and was no kid after playing pro and playing in various Tournaments like the Olympics and the euro championships.

I thought with playing time Kempny would at least be a little bit better. Apparently not because the coaching staff - Samuelsson and Q - view him as the 8th dman.

So Nalimov is no sure thing to come in and be successful as the back up.

Sometimes you know there is an issue. Sam Bennett or Forsling/Ruuta handle physical play. Kempny is not really consistent espt his career path prior to NHL signing.

Nalimov is no sure thing
- jhawk59

I know...someone had posted that Forsberg was meant to replace Crawford down the line...I guess my point was that I don't think they were viewing Forsberg as that, as like you said, there is no sure thing. I think they needed a capable backup and thought that Forsberg could provide that and be a potential replacement down the line. Like I posted, won't matter in 3 years anyway who becomes the #1 goaltender for the hawks.

Panik is where he needs to be, in the press box. He got scratched, came back did nothing. Vinnie showed some instant chemistry with 19 and 20 (oh yea not to mention he actually tries) so your idea is to bench him and put in a player, who with his poopty play got inserted into the doghouse? If Panik never sees the ice again because Vinnie/Hartman/etc have played too well so be it, but Panik doesn't get back on the ice "just because" he gets back on when one of the other wingers hits a wall/slumps and he shows he is ready to actually play capable hockey.

The lines as they were last night is how the should run them for a while. When AA gets back then some small adjustments will need to take place.
- kwolf68

Put panik in to showcase him as part of a trade or get his game going or swap panik for hino works either way hino has played well to stay in the line up. Maybe package panik and kempney for somthing like a center. Its time waive sharp and give him a posistion in hawks organization.

Panik (Hawks retain some 50% of his salary), Kempy, Hossa and a 3rd if they think they can sign him to a reasonable bridge deal.
- -Doh-

I wouldn’t retain any of Panik’s salary and if you’re throwing in Kempny, I’d want a prospect back as well, maybe Strome.

Panik (Hawks retain some 50% of his salary), Kempy, Hossa and a 3rd if they think they can sign him to a reasonable bridge deal.
- -Doh-

That much in trade? Seems like a lot for a kid with only 1 Panik-type year under his belt. Yotes don't need a Hossa contract on their books as they're above the cap floor already without Datsuk or Pronger.