That much in trade? Seems like a lot for a kid with only 1 Panik-type year under his belt. Yotes don't need a Hossa contract on their books as they're above the cap floor already without Datsuk or Pronger.
- Rota's Rooter

I am not sure. Let's say Ryan Hartman is a comparable to Duclair. Would you trade Hartman for Panik straight up? I would not. Kempny is a rental that is not in the Hawks future (and apparently not in their current) plans.So he does not have much value.

Then the Hossa thing. They are taking the Hossa cap hit. (I am not sure about this, but I think the Hawks would still have to do some cap tomfoolery in the summer if they kept him - getting below the cap). AZ would only pay his $1mil salary. So for taking the $5.275mil cap hit they get a 3rd round pick.

That much in trade? Seems like a lot for a kid with only 1 Panik-type year under his belt. Yotes don't need a Hossa contract on their books as they're above the cap floor already without Datsuk or Pronger.
- Rota's Rooter

True. They do not need it to reach the floor. But with their financial condition they will not be anywhere near the ceiling in the next two years. So they have room. Think of it as trading a $1mil in salary for a 3rd round pick.

I am not sure. Let's say Ryan Hartman is a comparable to Duclair. Would you trade Hartman for Panik straight up? I would not. Kempny is a rental that is not in the Hawks future (and apparently not in their current) plans.So he does not have much value.

Then the Hossa thing. They are taking the Hossa cap hit. (I am not sure about this, but I think the Hawks would still have to do some cap tomfoolery in the summer if they kept him - getting below the cap). AZ would only pay his $1mil salary. So for taking the $5.275mil cap hit they get a 3rd round pick.
- -Doh-

I'd offer Panik & Kempny straight up. Hawks in the 2018 draft are already without a #2 and I believe their #4 also.

Yotes are not going to mess with a LTIR contract. They just don't need to for the present.

I know...someone had posted that Forsberg was meant to replace Crawford down the line...I guess my point was that I don't think they were viewing Forsberg as that, as like you said, there is no sure thing. I think they needed a capable backup and thought that Forsberg could provide that and be a potential replacement down the line. Like I posted, won't matter in 3 years anyway who becomes the #1 goaltender for the hawks.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Three players from #1 choice in consecutive years could impact as they are quality players although they may not be ready to be enough of difference makers. The scary thought here is even if Bowman drafts well, the historionics of successful drafting shows only so many are stars.

You could draft someone with loads of talent but for pne reason or another they never become a good enough difference maker or star. With all due respect to hockey fans and no intention to start a football discussion, I think even those who tune out even the slightest football commntary can agree the great example of the very type of player we need to be better than just loads of talent......is.....drum roll please.....Jay Cutler. Thomas Jurco is not the scary thought. Neither is TT despite his slight "renissance" season. Those are even worse examples.

Tough to draft three really star players. Don't get the notion that it cannot happen. Possible, yes. More likely you are correct won't matter whom the goalie nor whom the star drated. Downturn for sure after long time core players decline or gone

I'd offer Panik & Kempny straight up. Hawks in the 2018 draft are already without a #2 and I believe their #4 also.

Yotes are not going to mess with a LTIR contract. They just don't need to for the present.
- Rota's Rooter

I’d still want a prospect coming back someone like Strome or Merkley.

I wouldn’t retain any of Panik’s salary and if you’re throwing in Kempny, I’d want a prospect back as well, maybe Strome.
- walleyeb1

Missing red font on that last part?

I’d still want a prospect coming back someone like Strome or Merkley.
- walleyeb1

I don't think you're even gonna sniff either of those guys offering Panik and Kempny. Even adding a 3rd i don't think would get it done.

Duclair asked for a trade, so either the yotes give him a timeout or they start fielding offers. But teams knowing he wants out and is forcing the issue aren't going to be giving up much considering the situation.

I don't see any reason to retain salary or anything like that in a trade for Duclair.

I don't even want the guy, but if it were to happen, no way should salary be retained by the Hawks.

Three players from #1 choice in consecutive years could impact as they are quality players although they may not be ready to be enough of difference makers. The scary thought here is even if Bowman drafts well, the historionics of successful drafting shows only so many are stars.

You could draft someone with loads of talent but for pne reason or another they never become a good enough difference maker or star. With all due respect to hockey fans and no intention to start a football discussion, I think even those who tune out even the slightest football commntary can agree the great example of the very type of player we need to be better than just loads of talent......is.....drum roll please.....Jay Cutler. Thomas Jurco is not the scary thought. Neither is TT despite his slight "renissance" season. Those are even worse examples.

Tough to draft three really star players. Don't get the notion that it cannot happen. Possible, yes. More likely you are correct won't matter whom the goalie nor whom the star drated. Downturn for sure after long time core players decline or gone
- jhawk59

Exactly...I don't think they are going to draft the replacements for Kane, Toews, and Keith in the next 3 years. Once one of them are completely done (Toews and Keith seem to be getting close)...So to are the Hawks chances of being true contenders. Then the rebuild starts with trying to get the high draft picks in the first round so that you can find their replacements. Possibly the Hawks could have a replacement for Keith already in the system, and I really hope they do, as defensemen apparently take longer to mature than forwards, and could help make the rebuild a short one.

Duclair asked for a trade, so either the yotes give him a timeout or they start fielding offers. But teams knowing he wants out and is forcing the issue aren't going to be giving up much considering the situation.

I don't see any reason to retain salary or anything like that in a trade for Duclair.

I don't even want the guy, but if it were to happen, no way should salary be retained by the Hawks.
- BlazinMike

I don't think Duclair offers much for this team. He's basically Panik at this point. An under achieving winger.

Is duclair what the hawks need i rather a 3rd line center. Looking at the teams that are out of it what center could the hawks get by packaging kempney and panik or something like that.

Is duclair what the hawks need i rather a 3rd line center. Looking at the teams that are out of it what center could the hawks get by packaging kempney and panik or something like that.
- Scott1977

I agree. Now, if the Coyotes make Dylan Strome available, I would trade for him to be the 3rd line center.

I agree. Now, if the Coyotes make Dylan Strome available, I would trade for him to be the 3rd line center.
- hpk90

I don't see that happening unless he has falling out of the good graces of arz management he was the center for d cat in juniors would cost a 1st and then some.

I don't think Duclair offers much for this team. He's basically Panik at this point. An under achieving winger.
- JRoenick97

The Rangers traded Duclair in his rookie year. Then he fell out of favour with Dave Tippett and got benched pretty much permanently and now Rick Tocchett has seen all he wants to see of him. So what's the chances of Q playing the sympathetic father figure and putting up with him? More likely he would be heading to Rockford on the end of Q's boot after a couple of games. I pass.

Saad-Toews-Hinostroza
Schmaltz-Hartman-Kane
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Panik
Bouma-Wingles-Hayden
Sharp

Keith-Oesterle
Forsling-Rutta
Murphy-Seabrook
Kempny/Franson

Crawford
Forsberg/Glass

That's a VERY dangerous lineup top to bottom if everyone plays to their capabilities, and if we can upgrade even further using our cap space then I'm all for it.

But either way, the way we've been playing these past few games on the road against some very fast, skilled, and high caliber competition has me very encouraged and excited about the 2nd half of our season.

Also, for those that follow the stats:

Hawks are now up to 2nd in the NHL in 5v5 CF and CF%, and 1st in 5v5 OZS%

We're back to being an elite puck possession team. And a team that can roll 4 lines that can score. VERY GOOD SIGNS FOR A POTENTIAL PLAYOFF/CUP RUN!!!

GO HAWKS!!!

Saad-Toews-Hinostroza
Schmaltz-Hartman-Kane
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Panik
Bouma-Wingles-Hayden
Sharp

Keith-Oesterle
Forsling-Rutta
Murphy-Seabrook
Kempny/Franson

Crawford
Forsberg/Glass

That's a VERY dangerous lineup top to bottom if everyone plays to their capabilities, and if we can upgrade even further using our cap space then I'm all for it.

But either way, the way we've been playing these past few games on the road against some very fast, skilled, and high caliber competition has me very encouraged and excited about the 2nd half of our season.

Also, for those that follow the stats:

Hawks are now up to 2nd in the NHL in 5v5 CF and CF%, and 1st in 5v5 OZS%

We're back to being an elite puck possession team. And a team that can roll 4 lines that can score. VERY GOOD SIGNS FOR A POTENTIAL PLAYOFF/CUP RUN!!!

GO HAWKS!!!
- SimpleJack

Not so quick to say we are back to being a puck possession team. Watch them for a few games and see if this can be reported as a puck possession team.

How capable they are at this is interesting when some players are rotated in and out among th blueline crew. I wish i knew if Samuelson has actually coached this way. I doubt he has at the minor league level where individual development comes first.

I am not saying I am against puck possession; I wonder how competent this bunch could be to do so each game. Perhaps the board could comment on this. Ruuta has not been a part of your puck possession claim since he has not dressed for three games. Would he be an impovement over the slow plodding but careful Fanson who plays within his limitations?

Not so quick to say we are back to being a puck possession team. Watch them for a few games and see if this can be reported as a puck possession team.

How capable they are at this is interesting when some players are rotated in and out among th blueline crew. I wish i knew if Samuelson has actually coached this way. I doubt he has at the minor league level where individual development comes first.

I am not saying I am against puck possession; I wonder how competent this bunch could be to do so each game. Perhaps the board could comment on this. Ruuta has not been a part of your puck possession claim since he has not dressed for three games. Would he be an impovement over the slow plodding but careful Fanson who plays within his limitations?
- jhawk59

Well I'm just saying they're 2nd in 5v5 CF%, which is usually the main metric used to determine "puck possession"

The Rangers traded Duclair in his rookie year. Then he fell out of favour with Dave Tippett and got benched pretty much permanently and now Rick Tocchett has seen all he wants to see of him. So what's the chances of Q playing the sympathetic father figure and putting up with him? More likely he would be heading to Rockford on the end of Q's boot after a couple of games. I pass.
- RickJ

Not only what you said, but also this: there is bound to be at least two teams looking to add a talented player in Duclair and their interest is heightened by the tease of what they are getting maybe at a dicounted price. I am guessing that Phoenix takes any decent offer and does not let this become an ordeal.

Would teams increase their offers? Becase the original offers for him will surely be low balling. Chicago taking on one headache of a player for another of the same ilk [Panik] makes no sense and beside that, who really would trade anything of some value for the crap player Panic is. Panic had a stretch of good hockey part of one season last season in his career. He cannot be a desirable acquisition.

On the other hand, the Phoenix GM has a passion, it appears via his player transaction history, for players who can skate, have skill, even toughness (lastly). Despite inconsistent play Kempny might intrigue. But I would rather a draft pick than bring Duclair here. Where would he play - third line. Would he be productive here. Not with Q's demands.

I don't think Duclair offers much for this team. He's basically Panik at this point. An under achieving winger.
- JRoenick97

I think Duclair is an upgrade from Panik and he would be a relatively cheap pickup. He has a lot of skill and I think is worth the risk. I do not count the Rangers dealing him against him as he was a highly touted prospect at that point and was who AZ wanted. A change of scenery into a winning environment could be the answer for this kid. Give up Gustafsson for him, he is never making the big club here anyways. Or offer Panik, Kero? What is there to lose?

my suspician is panik is gone unless he can turn it around on the coming homestand...and thats if he can even get back on the ice...

hawks can't afford an underforming expensive core plus underperforming 3 mildo per year players..

Saad-Toews-Hinostroza
Schmaltz-Hartman-Kane
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Panik
Bouma-Wingles-Hayden
Sharp

Keith-Oesterle
Forsling-Rutta
Murphy-Seabrook
Kempny/Franson

Crawford
Forsberg/Glass

That's a VERY dangerous lineup top to bottom if everyone plays to their capabilities, and if we can upgrade even further using our cap space then I'm all for it.

But either way, the way we've been playing these past few games on the road against some very fast, skilled, and high caliber competition has me very encouraged and excited about the 2nd half of our season.

Also, for those that follow the stats:

Hawks are now up to 2nd in the NHL in 5v5 CF and CF%, and 1st in 5v5 OZS%

We're back to being an elite puck possession team. And a team that can roll 4 lines that can score. VERY GOOD SIGNS FOR A POTENTIAL PLAYOFF/CUP RUN!!!

GO HAWKS!!!
- SimpleJack

this means nothing with out high quality chances and finish...i doubt the hawks are even top ten in quality chances...ELITE?? MEH NO..not when your now fighting for your life with 5 teams for a WC

this means nothing with out high quality chances and finish...i doubt the hawks are even top ten in quality chances...ELITE?? MEH NO..not when your now fighting for your life with 5 teams for a WC
- bogiedoc

I just said elite at puck possession, which doesn't always indicate where you'll be in the standings of course(the Kings once failed to make the playoffs despite leading the NHL in CF%, though that usually doesn't happen). But does help come playoff time....IF we get there.

Central keeps winning - how do u make ground

Tonight-
Blues win
Avs ahead
Stars ahead
Wild win
Preds will win

Yikes

Central keeps winning - how do u make ground

Tonight-
Blues win
Avs ahead
Stars ahead
Wild win
Preds will win

Yikes
- Colbyboy

I am sure a few will crap out well before the next 42 play out;

i'm guessing Hawks need to win a minimum of 26 of their remaining 44 games. That would give them 96 pts.(is that enough) and a 59% winning percentage the rest of the way. Is that possible for these guys this year?? Seems a bit daunting at the moment.