I made the point that you won’t need a franchise QB once these guys retire a couple years ago. The Super Bowls have been dominated by a handful of hall of fame talent all at once, the like we prob won’t see ever again at one time.

The rest of the QBs in the league suck.

Prescott, Winston, newton, Ryan, goff, luck, Carr, mariota. One of them will prob win a super bowl but honestly they are all nothing special. Better then Tyrod yes, but all are inconsistent.

Only good QB I see coming up is Wentz and who knows how ACL may effect him.
- Fattony1187

Depends on definition of “Franchise QB”

He’s in no way a top 10 QB right now
- sbroads24

hear about marchessault's pending extension ?

Depends on definition of “Franchise QB”

He’s in no way a top 10 QB right now
- sbroads24

How about a QB who plays between 5-10 years for one team and passes 30,000 yards after a decade?

Top-10 in the NFL (no order):

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Ryan
Brees
Rodgers
Stafford


Well, that's 7 and then we have Newton, Wentz, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Manning, Winston, Mariota, Wilson, Goff as interchangeable, really. And the verdict is still out on a few of them.

That's 17 of the 32 starting QB's.

A "franchise" QB is the guy you build your team and gameplan around, who serves several years as the starting QB for one team.

I would consider taking Flacco over every one of the guys outside the top-7 except maybe Wentz or Goff at this point and that's because of their age. Cam Newton has played on a team with an incredible defense and has put up some truly awful performances as a QB and has only so far had one season that approached "elite" numbers as a QB... although he is perhaps the greatest rushing QB in NFL history at this point, I can't deny that. Russell Wilson is basically in the same mold as Newton.

It's all about the design of the offense and the personnel around you. Flacco has had mostly ageing receivers, a handful of years with an elite RB and his most reliable target has always been a TE. Yet he's still over 35k, won a Super Bowl and has a career QBR comparable to Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

He's at the lower-tier of franchise QBs.

I made the point that you won’t need a franchise QB once these guys retire. The Super Bowls have been dominated by a handful of hall of fame talent all at once, the like we prob won’t see ever again at one time.

The rest of the QBs in the league suck.

Prescott, Winston, newton, Ryan, goff, luck, Carr, mariota. One of them will prob win a super bowl but honestly they they are all nothing special. Better then Tyrod yes, but all are inconsistent.

Only good QB I see coming up is Wentz and who knows how ACL may effect him.
- Fattony1187

Exacto-mundo.

I don't think he's HoF worthy, but they love their QB's in this pass-happy era, so who knows.

But Flacco is a franchise QB, there is no denying that. It's not a stretch at all. He's one rung below Rodgers and one rung above Matt Ryan.

To say Flacco isn't a franchise QB is silly.
- BeadyEyedDouche

quarterback A 30 years old
109 games
25,534 yards
62.3% completion
167 tds
93 ints
7.18 yards per
33 fumbles
88.7 qb rating


quarterback B 32 years old
154 games
35,780 yards
61.7 completion %
200 tds
130 ints
6.76 yards per
76 fumbles
84.1 qb rating



A.Dalton
B. Flacco

Flacco has had mostly ageing receivers, a handful of years with an elite RB and his most reliable target has always been a TE. Yet he's still over 35k, won a Super Bowl and has a career QBR comparable to Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

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- BeadyEyedDouche

just because you start a lot of games and throw for 232 yards a game, it doesn't make you a great qb

tyrod has more yards per game between passing and rushing as a starter than flacco passing and rushing

based on your logic, this makes tyrod as valuable as your elite flacco


plus tyrod doesn't turn the ball over as often as flacco

just because you start a lot of games and throw for 232 yards a game, it doesn't make you a great qb

tyrod has more yards per game between passing and rushing as a starter than flacco passing and rushing

based on your logic, this makes tyrod as valuable as your elite flacco


plus tyrod doesn't turn the ball over as often as flacco
- homiedclown

I’m not a Tyrod guy, but I’d take him over Flacco

How about a QB who plays between 5-10 years for one team and passes 30,000 yards after a decade?

Top-10 in the NFL (no order):

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Ryan
Brees
Rodgers
Stafford


Well, that's 7 and then we have Newton, Wentz, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Manning, Winston, Mariota, Wilson, Goff as interchangeable, really. And the verdict is still out on a few of them.

That's 17 of the 32 starting QB's.

A "franchise" QB is the guy you build your team and gameplan around, who serves several years as the starting QB for one team.

I would consider taking Flacco over every one of the guys outside the top-7 except maybe Wentz or Goff at this point and that's because of their age. Cam Newton has played on a team with an incredible defense and has put up some truly awful performances as a QB and has only so far had one season that approached "elite" numbers as a QB... although he is perhaps the greatest rushing QB in NFL history at this point, I can't deny that. Russell Wilson is basically in the same mold as Newton.

It's all about the design of the offense and the personnel around you. Flacco has had mostly ageing receivers, a handful of years with an elite RB and his most reliable target has always been a TE. Yet he's still over 35k, won a Super Bowl and has a career QBR comparable to Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

He's at the lower-tier of franchise QBs.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Michael Vick and it's not even close. Vick averaged 1.8 more yards per carry, and had a 1039 yard rushing season. Newton's high is 754, this year. Vick also missed 2 years immediately after putting up 1039 rushing yards.

just because you start a lot of games and throw for 232 yards a game, it doesn't make you a great qb

tyrod has more yards per game between passing and rushing as a starter than flacco passing and rushing

based on your logic, this makes tyrod as valuable as your elite flacco


plus tyrod doesn't turn the ball over as often as flacco
- homiedclown

One has also won a Super Bowl. And he wasn't no Trent Dilfer.

I would absolutely take Joe Flacco on the Bills 100 times out of 100 over Tyrod Taylor.

I'd probably take Dalton over Flacco in all honesty, too.

My "logic"?

QBR, is an actual math formula. My logic has nothing to do with it. Fact of the matter is that Joe Flacco has a QBR that's almost exactly the same as two Hall of Fame Quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl. And one of them got four opportunities to do so.

Tyrod Taylor also has a great QBR, but like I said ON THE BILLS, I take Flacco 100/100 over Taylor.

And like I also explained, it's about building a system around your QB's strengths or likewise, finding a QB who fits your system, is smart enough to learn it, and talented enough to execute it. Flacco ain't elite, he isn't even lights out. He's not flashy and his numbers aren't gaudy. But he's a franchise QB.

Where has Aaron Rodgers's TD:INT ratio gotten him over his career? Oh, that's right, with the same number of Super Bowls as Joe Flacco. Drew Brees? That's right, the same number of Super Bowls.

Even Eli Manning has won two of the damn things and the general opinion of him over his entire career is that he isn't a franchise or elite QB.

It's ridiculous. And so are your hot takes from the past two nights. I clearly stated several times that Joe Flacco is NOT elite, but I guess that wasn't enough for you because you're still putting words into my mouth.

Michael Vick and it's not even close. Vick averaged 1.8 more yards per carry, and had a 1039 yard rushing season. Newton's high is 754, this year. Vick also missed 2 years immediately after putting up 1039 rushing yards.
- Wetbandit1

54 career rushing touchdowns to Vick's 36

Can actually also throw the ball

Built like a brick sh!t-house

And will obliterate Vick's career numbers in every category.

Of the last 16 Super Bowls, there's only 16 QB's who've played in them and there was only 2 Super Bowls where it didn't include Roethlisberger, Brady, Warner or Peyton Manning.

You don't just need a franchise QB. You need a legit 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

That Raiders/Buccaneers Super Bowl is the only anomaly but Joe Flacco is a franchise QB for sure and will probably get into the HoF no problem, especially if he plays in another SB (doubtful).

But the Raiders/Bucs game and the first Ravens SB are proof that you don't ALWAYS need a franchise QB. But what is this, a 7% chance of winning a Super Bowl without one?

Hey, the Bills had a 3% chance of making the playoffs last week. I like those odds.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Wouldn't there be 32 quarterbacks in the last 16 Super Bowls?

Wouldn't there be 32 quarterbacks in the last 16 Super Bowls?
- Frizzlefry

No because many QBs played in more than 1 SB during that time.

I’m not a money whore lol

I give to others
- GERBE!!!75PTS

That's not what your dad said.

When asked about his opinion on Gerbe spending money, his dad responded with

"All that kid does is take, take, take"


It would seem as though the elder Gerbe believes the younger was a bad investment.

More at 11.

Back to you Irv.

In other news.........

Wouldn't there be 32 quarterbacks in the last 16 Super Bowls?
- Frizzlefry

Only 16 different qbs have played in the last 16 Super Bowls is what I got out of it.

Michael Vick and it's not even close. Vick averaged 1.8 more yards per carry, and had a 1039 yard rushing season. Newton's high is 754, this year. Vick also missed 2 years immediately after putting up 1039 rushing yards.
- Wetbandit1

Fran Tarkenton or Steve Young are the best IMO.

They were a threat with their legs and arms. Who knows what Youngs numbers would have been had he started his career in San Fran and started right away.

Steve Young wasn't a full time starter until 1991 at age 30

His numbers over his 8 years as a starter

27,229 passing
262-80 td/int
2922 rushing yards 33tds

Elway is up there too

Hey guy, who was the GM of the Sabres? Marv or Polian? Pay attention guy.
- Hatboro_Swords

Polian gm
Marv coach

Kid

Marv was a horrible coach... tell me how a coach with 5 hall of fame players doesn’t win one Super Bowl....
- gordong

How did Marv get in the hall of fame? Horrible doesn't make sense

That's not what your dad said.

When asked about his opinion on Gerbe spending money, his dad responded with

"All that kid does is take, take, take"


It would seem as though the elder Gerbe believes the younger was a bad investment.

More at 11.

Back to you Irv.

In other news.........
- dadeadhead

Yep that's what I do everyday

Jelly

How about a QB who plays between 5-10 years for one team and passes 30,000 yards after a decade?

Top-10 in the NFL (no order):

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Ryan
Brees
Rodgers
Stafford


Well, that's 7 and then we have Newton, Wentz, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Manning, Winston, Mariota, Wilson, Goff as interchangeable, really. And the verdict is still out on a few of them.

That's 17 of the 32 starting QB's.

A "franchise" QB is the guy you build your team and gameplan around, who serves several years as the starting QB for one team.

I would consider taking Flacco over every one of the guys outside the top-7 except maybe Wentz or Goff at this point and that's because of their age. Cam Newton has played on a team with an incredible defense and has put up some truly awful performances as a QB and has only so far had one season that approached "elite" numbers as a QB... although he is perhaps the greatest rushing QB in NFL history at this point, I can't deny that. Russell Wilson is basically in the same mold as Newton.

It's all about the design of the offense and the personnel around you. Flacco has had mostly ageing receivers, a handful of years with an elite RB and his most reliable target has always been a TE. Yet he's still over 35k, won a Super Bowl and has a career QBR comparable to Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

He's at the lower-tier of franchise QBs.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Yep that's what I do everyday

Jelly
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I prefer jam.

There is going to be a big trade with many assets moving by the end of the week.









It will be the Braves landing Christian Yelich and J.T. Realmuto.

There is going to be a big trade with many assets moving by the end of the week.









It will be the Braves landing Christian Yelich and J.T. Realmuto.


- ImThatGuy

Awesome.

I am excited about the potential for trades in the upcoming days/weeks as reported by our beat reporter The Clown.
Mr Clown May now go backing to beating!

I am excited about the potential for trades in the upcoming days/weeks as reported by our beat reporter The Clown.
Mr Clown May now go backing to beating!
- IonSabres

Hopefully his own.

I prefer jam.
- dadeadhead

I prefer syrup