I am going to change the tone of the conversation.......
- MBFlyerfan

I don't think even Peter Chiarelli would make that deal

[moves along]

As usual, you’re spot on. But I will go that extra step for you: I think they are at times incompetent at development.

Even in the AHL they believe in (usually small) roles for their prospects and imposing self-made artificial ceilings that limit potential. We see it all the time. They do not know how to develop skill because they have a clinical obsession with safe, bland, mediocre players. It’s a philosophy for them. It is one of the most frustrating issues I have with this organization. They can hang their hat on their drafting and youth movement, but I question if they can actually develop them. Sue me.
- Mononoke

is it wrong to say you complete me?

From the twit: 28% chance of making the playoffs. 56% chance of missing playoffs AND not having a top 5 pick.
- SimmerDown17

How is 28% a playoff bubble team half way through the season. So this team has actually under performed expectations.

As good as Price can be, Id rather the cap space and wait on one of our goalies. Id personally be more interested in Patches
- juiced

i think that trade would be the end of my life long fandom

is it wrong to say you complete me?
- YuenglingJagr

Wait a second.

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?

LA (and others recently) are proof that you need to find talent in the draft and develop it to be competitive. Calling it proof that of what Hextall is doing with the Flyers is a little revisionist history. I don't remember them drafting and developing Carter, Williams, Richards, Gagne, Mitchell, and Greene. They were a team that won with a veteran core, not a bunch of guys seasoned to the max in the AHL.

Pearson and Toffoli were both 21 when they won their second cup (skilled rookies added to an established core ) and they spent time in the AHL, but they came from junior hockey.

The two concepts just arent the same. I think Hextall wants to make the team play like the Kings in a lot of ways, and he certainly understands the value of drafting...but I find it impossible to look at both situations and say that is the path the Flyers are on. If that is the case you can argue pretty much every team in the NHL is on that "path"
- YuenglingJagr

Who made up that veteran core? Kopitar, Brown, Doughty. Where did they get them from? The draft. That is exactly what Hextall is doing. To say that the two concepts aren't the same is simply false. Player development is so fluid and so different from player to player, that you can look at any two teams that have the same philosophy and find variances. It's the nature of the game.
It's so similar it's funny. For many years, fans in LA were calling for Lombardi's head on message boards as they ran out of patience. Once the team got to the point where the exact weaknesses were identified is when Lombardi then used trades and free agency to supplement the roster.

i think that trade would be the end of my life long fandom
- nastyflyergirl

That to me is as bad as the Forsberg deal. yuck!

Simmonds for Patches straight up I a may be able to get behind, although our "soft" quotient goes up exponentially.

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?
- Scoob

Yes, on skimming

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?
- Scoob

No. Major knowledge transfer going on there.

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?
- Scoob

You're missing out on some engaging topics.

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?
- Scoob

when isn't that a good move?

I am going to change the tone of the conversation.......
- MBFlyerfan

Something you can't do.
- MJL

you do it for me

Again insinuates that they don't know what they're doing. As if developing Lindblom for a top 9 scoring line role and giving him AHL time is the wrong thing to do. Who determines if they're overcooked? You? This also insinuates that the Flyers main goal is to save face and are more worried about the optics of moves rather than the actual results. Obviously not the case yet it doesn't stop you from posting that it is.
- MJL

me and a ton of other people that watch him and realize how ready he is. It has nothing to do with saving face. What the Flyers care about is that a prospect "busts" it just results in the fans saying it happened because he wasn't ready

You can have an opinion all you want. Doesn't mean that Hextall is wrong and you're right. What I'm actually saying and I'll repeat is that I don't know if Lindblom is ready or not and because of that, I'll defer to the experts. What evidence can you provide that calling up Lindblom now will make him the better player in the long run. No need for you to answer that because you can't. You can watch a player all you want, still just a random fans opinion just like mine.
- MJL

No I can't and that is my point. I don't think AHL or NHL has as much of a long term difference as people make it seem. Good players will be good players. Patrick is clearly overmatched right now, but is that going to ruin his development? Sean Couturier...the guy who had his offensive development ruined by coming to the NHL too early, right? Did the extra NHL time clear up Ghost's "issues"?

Let's not forget the actual proof we have of Scott Laughton coming to the NHL and then going back to the AHL once it was deemed necessary. Ruined?

The Flyers should not be putting the needs of the current team before the needs of any young players development. That is more important than making the Flyers a better playoff bubble team now.
- MJL

They aren't exclusive. The current state of the Flyers would leave them working in parallel actually. Other NHL ready prospects are playing in the NHL, so I guess they aren't developing? AHL isn't the only place that happens.

How is 28% a playoff bubble team half way through the season. So this team has actually under performed expectations.
- PLindbergh31

poop Happens clown...

Pittsburgh, defending champ and perennial playoff team, has a 19% chance right now... but keep being you.

The solace in things is if the Flyers did turn that 28% into a reality you'll be gone like a fart in the wind.

poop Happens clown...

Pittsburgh, defending champ and perennial playoff team, has a 19% chance right now... but keep being you.
- dragonoffrost

If the Canes can beat the Penguins tonight, they're damn near dead. Real hard to gain ground when you're 3 points back of a team that has games in hand on you.

Skipped pages 7 through 10.

Good move?
- Scoob

Yes. I am here now.

If the Canes can beat the Penguins tonight, they're damn near dead. Real hard to gain ground when you're 3 points back of a team that has games in hand on you.
- BINGO!

I wish the Bingos the best of luck tonight. Staal is due for a hat trick.

poop Happens clown...

Pittsburgh, defending champ and perennial playoff team, has a 19% chance right now... but keep being you.
- dragonoffrost

When the Flyers win 5 cups in the course of my lifetime let me know. I will be ok with the 19% chance. Keep trying! You are 0 for 1.

Who made up that veteran core? Kopitar, Brown, Doughty. Where did they get them from? The draft. That is exactly what Hextall is doing. To say that the two concepts aren't the same is simply false. Player development is so fluid and so different from player to player, that you can look at any two teams that have the same philosophy and find variances. It's the nature of the game.
It's so similar it's funny. For many years, fans in LA were calling for Lombardi's head on message boards as they ran out of patience. Once the team got to the point where the exact weaknesses were identified is when Lombardi then used trades and free agency to supplement the roster.
- MJL

Kopitar wasn't drafted by Lombardi actually

Lol yes all teams draft and develop players with certain variances. Saying there were players on the team that were drafted and developed proves what Ron Hextall is doing now is the same is asinine. The team was loaded with vets acquired through FA and trades. Not to mention none of it has anything to do with Lindblom spending a couple extra months in the AHL or not

When the Flyers win 5 cups in the course of my lifetime let me know. I will be ok with the 19% chance. Keep trying! You are 0 for 1.
- PLindbergh31

I've got 2 cups already and see a path to the 3 more I need with understanding and patience.

You on the otherhand Have a good day.

If the Canes can beat the Penguins tonight, they're damn near dead. Real hard to gain ground when you're 3 points back of a team that has games in hand on you.
- BINGO!

and the canes, pens or whoever can easily go 0-5-5

If the Canes can beat the Penguins tonight, they're damn near dead. Real hard to gain ground when you're 3 points back of a team that has games in hand on you.
- BINGO!

I tried that on Tuesday...didn't work

When the Flyers win 5 cups in the course of my lifetime let me know. I will be ok with the 19% chance. Keep trying! You are 0 for 1.
- PLindbergh31

How old are you now and how much longer do you plan on living?

I wish the Bingos the best of luck tonight. Staal is due for a hat trick.
- Streit2ThePoint

I pray he brings you the vindication you so desperately need.