Yes can see the problem of identifying to a particular method. I think we all understand but differ on when and how to use these different approaches. Which is why GM’s don’t employ only one method as you pointed out. When it comes down to it they are all about building and competing making choices between which method to lean on in each part defines their success.

On Canuck finishes on a talent starved team injuries and lack of depth contributed to that as well as misplaced coaching. Don’t think it was by design but we have fun calling it a stealth tank. Just reality as Makita likes not mincing words the team sucked.

As for tanking working now will agree to disagree high picks aside.
- Nuck4U

There's really no point in arguing with them. Ask Oilers fans how tanking is going, their entire organization has been ruined by it, even with McDavid they're still bad.

These guys complain about youth being gifted undeserved roster spots, and then at the same time they want to see the team trade away 2-3 vets every TDL for picks? How is that possible? You can't just sign UFA's and then trade them for picks and then try to do the same again the year after. Why would those vets even bother spending extra time/effort mentoring the youth that will eventually take their job? The youth will have zero connection to these journeymen vets as a result, and they'll see how management treats them like meat while the team spirals down the standings each year, creating a toxic environment.

It's a much healthier for the youth to actually have an established leadership group to lead and insulate them with some continuity(contract term) amongst the leadership group. Sutter and Eriksson are prime examples. Gagner should be here for at least 2.5 years, perhaps even for the full 3 seasons, so I'd say he counts. A nice foundation group to help lead the transition from the Sedin era to the Horvat/Boeser/EP/Juolevi/Virtanen era.

Most teams take on the identity of their core leadership group, hopefully that happens with Eriksson/Gagner/Sutter and our youth.

There's really no point in arguing with them. Ask Oilers fans how tanking is going, their entire organization has been ruined by it, even with McDavid they're still bad.

These guys complain about youth being gifted undeserved roster spots, and then at the same time they want to see the team trade away 2-3 vets every TDL for picks? How is that possible? You can't just sign UFA's and then trade them for picks and then try to do the same again the year after. Why would those vets even bother spending extra time/effort mentoring the youth that will eventually take their job? The youth will have zero connection to these journeymen vets as a result, and they'll see how management treats them like meat while the team spirals down the standings each year, creating a toxic environment.

It's a much healthier for the youth to actually have an established leadership group to lead and insulate them with some continuity(contract term) amongst the leadership group. Sutter and Eriksson are prime examples. Gagner should be here for at least 2.5 years, perhaps even for the full 3 seasons, so I'd say he counts. A nice foundation group to help lead the transition from the Sedin era to the Horvat/Boeser/EP/Juolevi/Virtanen era.

Most teams take on the identity of their core leadership group, hopefully that happens with Eriksson/Gagner/Sutter and our youth.
- Nucker101

- Pres.cup

Got the green light to respond to your constant malicious trolling and polluting Carol’s thread. Will just confine it to this little insignificant one and not load up on all of your countless attempts to disrupt, disturb and malign.

Why are you posting to my hockey talk this gif, is it bragging of your illegitimate offspring?

Goodbye and go play nice with others.

Got the green light to respond to your constant malicious trolling and polluting Carol’s thread. Will just confine it to this little insignificant one and not load up on all of your countless attempts to disrupt, disturb and malign.

Why are you posting to my hockey talk this gif, is it bragging of your illegitimate offspring?

Goodbye and go play nice with others.
- Nuck4U

Uhmmm... bragging about my illegitimate offspring? Is that a dig at the fact that I'm a single father? You've gone down that road before and it isn't appropriate to comment on.

Dude, the gif symbolises confusion over the final two paragraphs of your statement. It don't really make much sense to me so I posted a gif instead of engaging as engaging seems to cause you to ramp up your disruptions.

Also... got the green light? Here I thought you were telling the truth in serenity.... guess not.

Thanks for the words, you're a good poster.


By the way, that's a wink symbolizing that i was joking with the good poster comment.

Have a good night and god bless.

There's really no point in arguing with them. Ask Oilers fans how tanking is going, their entire organization has been ruined by it, even with McDavid they're still bad.

These guys complain about youth being gifted undeserved roster spots, and then at the same time they want to see the team trade away 2-3 vets every TDL for picks? How is that possible? You can't just sign UFA's and then trade them for picks and then try to do the same again the year after. Why would those vets even bother spending extra time/effort mentoring the youth that will eventually take their job? The youth will have zero connection to these journeymen vets as a result, and they'll see how management treats them like meat while the team spirals down the standings each year, creating a toxic environment.

It's a much healthier for the youth to actually have an established leadership group to lead and insulate them with some continuity(contract term) amongst the leadership group. Sutter and Eriksson are prime examples. Gagner should be here for at least 2.5 years, perhaps even for the full 3 seasons, so I'd say he counts. A nice foundation group to help lead the transition from the Sedin era to the Horvat/Boeser/EP/Juolevi/Virtanen era.

Most teams take on the identity of their core leadership group, hopefully that happens with Eriksson/Gagner/Sutter and our youth.
- Nucker101

If Gagner, LE and Sutter is your conclusion and twist of interpretation then you have laid the golden egg of sarcasm. Like I have said you crack me up.

Sometimes you may confuse others when you are in shtick form or not. Some assume all the time and may buy it on their views, even though some of them have the inability to articulate. Others not sure may bite on some of it.

On a serious note, go back to see some of the add on edits to posts to help you nuance out the difference. This opposite take is really far off the mark of the points. As hard as you are trying to make yours, in misstating what you think they are, the cleverness may be funny, but that doesn’t make it accurate.

TG is a professional head coach. The guy watches the practices and hours of game tape, I trust him 100%
- Nucker101

ya he has lots of great attributes that make him a step above some others. Im sure he can learn a thing or two, or 5 or 10. But the important stuff is there. He has what some others dont possess so keep him.....perhaps change others like cloutier or brown....NB maybe. But TG is solid

Boeser 22 >Matthews 19
- VANTEL

ignore the 10 games less played by Matthews, not important here

ignore the 10 games less played by Matthews, not important here
- Nymarnthews

I ignore everything the Leafs do , thanks for partaking

Rick Dhaliwal@DhaliwalSports
10 hours ago
Through First 47 Career Games:

#Canucks Brock Boeser: 26 goals, 44 points
#Leafs Auston Matthews: 23 goals, 39 points

- A_SteamingLombardi

Isn't it amazing

I ignore everything the Leafs do , thanks for partaking

Rick Dhaliwal@DhaliwalSports
10 hours ago
Through First 47 Career Games:

#Canucks Brock Boeser: 26 goals, 44 points
#Leafs Auston Matthews: 23 goals, 39 points
- VANTEL

Lets ignore one started at 19 and one at 20??
22 goals, 6 pp goals and a -1 vs 19 goals and 2 pp goals, +17

34 has more even strength goals in 6 less games

did you point out that 34 brought a LAST PLACE team to the playoffs in hes first yr at age 19?

Youre GM and EVERY GM in the league would trade 34 for boeser
like, WTF ... lol

Lets ignore one started at 19 and one at 20??
22 goals, 6 pp goals and a -1 vs 19 goals and 2 pp goals, +17

34 has more even strength goals in 6 less games

did you point out that 34 brought a LAST PLACE team to the playoffs in hes first yr at age 19?

Youre GM and EVERY GM in the league would trade 34 for boeser
like, WTF ... lol
- Nymarnthews

Now Fuk off

Now Fuk off
- VANTEL

I messed that up haha... I deserved that

you knew what I meant

Marner wouldn't crack top 6, etc.. marner and nylander are ok, lol.. this has been an entertaining thread.. not a team built for playoffs, but gave president trophy caps a series to remember last yr...

we lack a defenseman or 2, we have them in our system and there are a few gems hitting the market in short order... this leaf team adds a veteran defenseman or 2 and I like this team a lot...

you guys talking about prospects that have never played a game in the NHL, lol... brilliant...

marner and nylander with 60 point seasons in rookie yr, and "sophomore" slump still puts them on pace for 60ish... yup, who would want that

I messed that up haha... I deserved that

you knew what I meant

Marner wouldn't crack top 6, etc.. marner and nylander are ok, lol.. this has been an entertaining thread.. not a team built for playoffs, but gave president trophy caps a series to remember last yr...

we lack a defenseman or 2, we have them in our system and there are a few gems hitting the market in short order... this leaf team adds a veteran defenseman or 2 and I like this team a lot...

you guys talking about prospects that have never played a game in the NHL, lol... brilliant...

marner and nylander with 60 point seasons in rookie yr, and "sophomore" slump still puts them on pace for 60ish... yup, who would want that
- Nymarnthews

This is the NHL they don't hand out awards and say we were going to give it to OV for most goals but McDavid is younger so we will give it to him.

I messed that up haha... I deserved that

you knew what I meant

Marner wouldn't crack top 6, etc.. marner and nylander are ok, lol.. this has been an entertaining thread.. not a team built for playoffs, but gave president trophy caps a series to remember last yr...

we lack a defenseman or 2, we have them in our system and there are a few gems hitting the market in short order... this leaf team adds a veteran defenseman or 2 and I like this team a lot...

you guys talking about prospects that have never played a game in the NHL, lol... brilliant...

marner and nylander with 60 point seasons in rookie yr, and "sophomore" slump still puts them on pace for 60ish... yup, who would want that
- Nymarnthews

I would love to have both those kids on the Canucks, but that's just me.

I would love to have both those kids on the Canucks, but that's just me.
- LeftCoaster

But you are in 11 th place in the hockey pool so what do you know

But you are in 11 th place in the hockey pool so what do you know
- VANTEL

I had a good week

I had a good week
- LeftCoaster

It brought you all the way up to 11th

It brought you all the way up to 11th
- VANTEL

You're only two points ahead of me but I'm playing the #1 guy this week

This is the NHL they don't hand out awards and say we were going to give it to OV for most goals but McDavid is younger so we will give it to him.
- VANTEL

Pretty stupid argument... and pointless

34 scored 40 in rookie yr... 34 even strength (MOST IN LEAGUE)
MOST ES GOALS in league since he started...
AVG a PPG this yr as a 20 yr old (same age as your golden boy)

Lets compare first 47 games, lol...
Boeser is a nice player and can finish, but he does not dominate games like 34, its not even close...

and the comments about EG for marner or brown plus and 1st
OH

You're only two points ahead of me but I'm playing the #1 guy this week
- LeftCoaster

I played him 2 weeks ago and won and this week I played #2 and lost 7-5

Pretty stupid argument... and pointless

34 scored 40 in rookie yr... 34 even strength (MOST IN LEAGUE)
MOST ES GOALS in league since he started...
AVG a PPG this yr as a 20 yr old (same age as your golden boy)

Lets compare first 47 games, lol...
Boeser is a nice player and can finish, but he does not dominate games like 34, its not even close...

and the comments about EG for marner or brown plus and 1st
OH
- Nymarnthews

Didn't read, don't care , goodbye

There's no difference between draftist and tanker, they encompass each other, despite how you may spin it in your twisted head, they produce the same results. Building through the draft.
- LeftCoaster

I’ve said the exact same thing, numerous times. He doesn’t get it. Accumulate draft picks, higher the pick the better.

There's really no point in arguing with them. Ask Oilers fans how tanking is going, their entire organization has been ruined by it, even with McDavid they're still bad.

These guys complain about youth being gifted undeserved roster spots, and then at the same time they want to see the team trade away 2-3 vets every TDL for picks? How is that possible? You can't just sign UFA's and then trade them for picks and then try to do the same again the year after. Why would those vets even bother spending extra time/effort mentoring the youth that will eventually take their job? The youth will have zero connection to these journeymen vets as a result, and they'll see how management treats them like meat while the team spirals down the standings each year, creating a toxic environment.

It's a much healthier for the youth to actually have an established leadership group to lead and insulate them with some continuity(contract term) amongst the leadership group. Sutter and Eriksson are prime examples. Gagner should be here for at least 2.5 years, perhaps even for the full 3 seasons, so I'd say he counts. A nice foundation group to help lead the transition from the Sedin era to the Horvat/Boeser/EP/Juolevi/Virtanen era.

Most teams take on the identity of their core leadership group, hopefully that happens with Eriksson/Gagner/Sutter and our youth.
- Nucker101

Umm... what?

What's wrong with Nucker?

So you need to explain how this is possible, I mean you can’t be competitive and still want to build through the draft.

And why wouldn’t you want your team that is terrible by all accounts except a possible Calder trophy winner get a better draft position.
- Makita

Seems like you might have to already ranked... for say a generational talent and dman. Oh did Tampa not tank twice for the two best players on their team and were just overlooking that? Oh my bad.