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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 9 @ 10:09 AM ET
Jonathan Dahlรฉn will play the next 4 games in Timra and then decide his next move, the deadline to sign elsewhere is at the end of the month. #Canucks .

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- LeftCoaster

AHL, needs to learn the small ice. Come on Dahlen!
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 9 @ 10:19 AM ET
After seeing OJ I can see him playing here next year. Ryan Biech wrote a good article on him yesterday about how subtle his game in and how he runs a lot of interference on other teams. He complimented him on how well he dangles the blue line.

He does seem to be a Salo /Tanev type guy who quietly does things right.

- VANTEL


Injured Reserve?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 9 @ 10:34 AM ET
Injured Reserve?
- VanHockeyGuy

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 9 @ 11:38 AM ET
Injured Reserve?
- VanHockeyGuy

That one the other night for Tanev was right on par with Salo's luck.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 9 @ 11:38 AM ET
Amen... whatโ€™s the word...?
- Nuck4U


LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 9 @ 11:43 AM ET
After seeing OJ I can see him playing here next year. Ryan Biech wrote a good article on him yesterday about how subtle his game in and how he runs a lot of interference on other teams. He complimented him on how well he dangles the blue line.

He does seem to be a Salo /Tanev type guy who quietly does things right.

- VANTEL

I am a fan of OJ. Watched him closely here at Mem Cup a few years back and was top 3 on that Knights club. All I know is that when CLB took Dubois they fooked up that draft a bit and then Puljujarvi fell to EDM. Actually..I had it on pretty good authority from the scouts at Mem Cup that EDM wanted OJ.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 9 @ 11:47 AM ET
That one the other night for Tanev was right on par with Salo's luck.
- neem55[
/quote]

More like Canuck luck.

I have never seen a team have so many broken faces in such a short period of time like this.
4 in 3 seasons, Sutter, Hamhuis, Baertschi and Tanev.
Eventually, the luck has to start going Canucks way, maybe this summer at the ping-pong tournament(lottery).
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 9 @ 11:49 AM ET
[quote=neem55] That one the other night for Tanev was right on par with Salo's luck.
- Reubenkincade[
/quote]

More like Canuck luck.

I have never seen a team have so many broken faces in such a short period of time like this.
4 in 3 seasons, Sutter, Hamhuis, Baertschi and Tanev.
Eventually, the luck has to start going Canucks way, maybe this summer at the ping-pong tournament(lottery).

would be a great start. I do personally think things have already started to go Canucks way, and this lotto.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jan 9 @ 11:55 AM ET
I am a fan of OJ. Watched him closely here at Mem Cup a few years back and was top 3 on that Knights club. All I know is that when CLB took Dubois they fooked up that draft a bit and then Puljujarvi fell to EDM. Actually..I had it on pretty good authority from the scouts at Mem Cup that EDM wanted OJ.
- LordHumungous


I always said that draft that Benning looked pissed when selecting OJ, like he expected Edmonton to take him instead of JP. You could tell that OJ wasn't his first or even second choice and that Columbus really went off the board with that pick.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 9 @ 12:23 PM ET
AHL, needs to learn the small ice. Come on Dahlen!
- neem55


I'm all for Dahlen coming to Utica this year but i don't get this idea that European kids have to learn how to play on a smaller ice surface. What exactly do you mean?

From my experience playing on both sizes the difference was conditioning. I grew up playing on Olympic size ice and we could always out skate other teams but in terms of re-learning the game, that was never an issue. The difference i hear sometimes is there's not as much time in the NHL, but I hear NA and Europe players say that, they're referring to the pace of the game. Making decisions faster with the puck.

In the past few years, Barkov, Lindholm, Ristolainen, Wennberg, Aho to name a few have successfully made the jump from EU to NA ice. I guess i'm more interested in knowing what you think they need to learn thats so different? Do you mean the dump and chase style, or physical differences between the two?

HOWEVER, in Dahlens case, given the fact that theres no need to rush him, i think its a great idea to send him to Utica and try to help them out.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Jan 9 @ 12:47 PM ET
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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 9 @ 12:48 PM ET
Seabrook a healthy scratch
7yr/6.875m ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 9 @ 12:54 PM ET
I always said that draft that Benning looked pissed when selecting OJ, like he expected Edmonton to take him instead of JP. You could tell that OJ wasn't his first or even second choice and that Columbus really went off the board with that pick.
- DariusKnight

Agree. Pretty sure Benning wanted PLD but it is what it is. Two close friends of the family are top scouts for London and Kelowna so I was getting some juicy info here and there. lol Juolevi's teammates were giving him a pretty hard time as well about possibly getting picked by EDM...
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 9 @ 12:55 PM ET
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- Beatle_john

Do it.

Then we can trade Guddy for picks!!
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 9 @ 12:57 PM ET
Do it.

Then we can trade Guddy for marner!

- LordHumungous


Fixed

#cherry
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 9 @ 12:57 PM ET
Fixed

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- Codes1087

lol...that too.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 9 @ 1:00 PM ET
Agree. Pretty sure Benning wanted PLD but it is what it is. Two close friends of the family are top scouts for London and Kelowna so I was getting some juicy info here and there. lol Juolevi's teammates were giving him a pretty hard time as well about possibly getting picked by EDM...
- LordHumungous


GM/Scouting staff need to be prepared for those things No excuse. Was there not an option to trade down? Possibly to pick Mikhail Sergachyov???

He wasn't prepared imo.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 9 @ 1:05 PM ET
GM/Scouting staff need to be prepared for those things No excuse. Was there not an option to trade down? Possibly to pick Mikhail Sergachyov???

He wasn't prepared imo.

- VanHockeyGuy

When CLB took PLD at 3 it threw a wrench into basically the whole top 10 picks. Lots of GM's had to scramble after that...Not sure I would hang that one on JB.

Lots on here loved Sergachev it just wasn't to be.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Jan 9 @ 1:14 PM ET
Do it.

Then we can trade Guddy for picks!!

- LordHumungous


Exactly!
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 9 @ 1:14 PM ET
When CLB took PLD at 3 it threw a wrench into basically the whole top 10 picks. Lots of GM's had to scramble after that...Not sure I would hang that one on JB.

Lots on here loved Sergachev it just wasn't to be.

- LordHumungous


PLD is now CBJs new nunber 1 center and tortorella is praising the poop out of him.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Jan 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
Seabrook a healthy scratch
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- Nighthawk


To Montreal for Price. Book it.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Jan 9 @ 1:16 PM ET
No Franson..... we passed. Everyone else did to. Stupid move by Benning.

So we get pylons like Dowd to cover injuries but actual players to cover possible trades, if only until the year's end.... nah.

Unless he is planning on keeping Guddy.


RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 9 @ 1:19 PM ET
GM/Scouting staff need to be prepared for those things No excuse. Was there not an option to trade down? Possibly to pick Mikhail Sergachyov???

He wasn't prepared imo.

- VanHockeyGuy

i don't think this staff ever seriously considered trading down in the first round in any of their drafts.

they may have wanted PLD but i think OJ was the next guy on their list when they picked.

i think it would be ludicrous for any management group not to run several simulations to figure out what they would do given several situations. i refuse to believe that no one said, "hey, what if PLD gets picked before us?"
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:19 PM ET
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 9 @ 1:22 PM ET
I'm all for Dahlen coming to Utica this year but i don't get this idea that European kids have to learn how to play on a smaller ice surface. What exactly do you mean?

From my experience playing on both sizes the difference was conditioning. I grew up playing on Olympic size ice and we could always out skate other teams but in terms of re-learning the game, that was never an issue. The difference i hear sometimes is there's not as much time in the NHL, but I hear NA and Europe players say that, they're referring to the pace of the game. Making decisions faster with the puck.

In the past few years, Barkov, Lindholm, Ristolainen, Wennberg, Aho to name a few have successfully made the jump from EU to NA ice. I guess i'm more interested in knowing what you think they need to learn thats so different? Do you mean the dump and chase style, or physical differences between the two?

HOWEVER, in Dahlens case, given the fact that theres no need to rush him, i think its a great idea to send him to Utica and try to help them out.

- Brooks_Light


Less room to skate/stickhandle is what I understand to be the big difference with big ice, all your angles and lanes tighten up. Yeah for sure all players have to learn there's less time to make decisions and to simplfy their plays and the physicality. I think you highlighted a bunch of elite draftpicks that didn't need the adjustment and could handle making them at the NHL, which Dahlen may well be at this point.
I guess my point was to stress developing players in developmental leagues, as I have all year. Timra is a team that I would consider a developmental league, anything below the NHL where you have to play with men and has a decent skill level is really, but as you mentioned it mostly has to do with not rushing him. AHL IMO is a very high end developmental league where the coaching, physicality and preparation are very similar. To me it would be a significant move up from Timra, stepping stone if you will, I err on the side of caution though as I really don't see a lot of reason to bring him into the NHL.
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