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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:31 PM ET
You're suggesting Demko stay in the AHL for 4 years? Thats pretty rare, most of the starting goalies currently in the NHL spent 2 years, maybe part of a third year before beginning their careers - i'd like to see Nilsson fawk off and Demko start next year as Markstroms backup. Don't think thats rushing him at all.
- Brooks_Light

I'm suggesting he's not an NHL goalie next year. And that in two years he might be the backup(maybe even the second half of next year). Either way, I anticipate it will take some time for him to take the reigns at the NHL level. Like I said, two years. Similar to Schnieds who played 3 years in the AHL before coming up full time.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:31 PM ET
I read he's 5'10 and growing as well, not nearly as small as some on here have tried to paint him as.
- neem55

Is small.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
I would keep Gaudette far away from this sh*t-Show, particularly at the end of the (really uglylosing) season when morale should be at an all time low. Same goes with Demko.
To much going on at the end of the season to compound things. Does Benning get a new contract? Do the Sedins want an extension?

- Marwood


For me, make Utica a winner first and so send those guys there. Just like Marlies and so many other teams that have prioritized development. I think Boeser was an unusual exception, not the rule.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:34 PM ET
I'm suggesting he's not an NHL goalie next year. And that in two years he might be the backup(maybe even the second half of next year). Either way, I anticipate it will take some time for him to take the reigns at the NHL level. Like I said, two years. Similar to Schnieds who played 3 years in the AHL before coming up full time.
- neem55

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
Is small.
- Marwood

https://www.wingingitinmo...pect-profile-adam-boqvist

It's a non-issue.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
For me, make Utica a winner first and so send those guys there. Just like Marlies and so many other teams that have prioritized development. I think Boeser was an unusual exception, not the rule.
- neem55

Absolutely. Develop a winning culture on the farm.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/1/2/16552812/2018-prospect-profile-adam-boqvist

It's a non-issue.

- neem55

No argument about his skill, I was just suggesting that 5'10'' is small. I would be thrilled if the Canucks picked him.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
No argument about his skill, I was just suggesting that 5'10'' is small. I would be thrilled if the Canucks picked him.
- Marwood

Fair. According to that story he is now 5'11. I usually wait until the combine, because they measure them there. It's why I chose Heponiemi in my keeper league, huge growth spurt and mega skill.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
Absolutely. Develop a winning culture on the farm.
- Marwood

demko is already good enough, they need to put some other young guys around him and call up the journeymen like holm/boucher/ chapoop and give JV and some of these other guys 16-20 minutes per night. In Stecher's case, 20 minutes+. JV is gaining confidence, I have less of a problem with him in the NHL than Hutton/Stecher. I think the euros and NCAA guys should go to Utica for a year and force a callup.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jan 11 @ 2:48 PM ET
With Gaudette/Pettersson maybe here next season and the Sedins gone things will look up on forward. Might have a UFA as well.

It's our D and goaltending that need massive attention. Edler and Tanev need to go but the team will not let go. Pouliot/MDZ/Stecher/Hutton/Guddy (maybe) is not a solid base for next year even as good as MDZ and Pouliot have been. Juolevi 'might' make the club but doubtful for another year. Gonna be real interesting where ownership takes this club in the summer.

- LordHumungous


It’s a slippery slope getting rid of proven nhl D men when your icing a young roster ....everyone wants to get top value for aging players but they also have value helping out the kids and allowing young players to make mistakes and not pay for it.


VanHockeyGuy
Location: Don't be Weird. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
I would keep Gaudette far away from this sh*t-Show, particularly at the end of the (really ugly losing) season when morale should be at an all time low. Same goes with Demko.
To much going on at the end of the season to compound things. Does Benning get a new contract? Do the Sedins want an extension?

- Marwood


They'll entice him to sign to burn a year off his ELC. Yes it is a sh1t show, but let him taste the Kool aid
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
It’s a slippery slope getting rid of proven nhl D men when your icing a young roster ....everyone wants to get top value for aging players but they also have value helping out the kids and allowing young players to make mistakes and not pay for it.
- Redmile247

I agree, we're already rushing unready players. It makes sense to get something for EG if he wants out, but cant move them all. I've been in favor of moving one of Tanev or Edler, but moving out all of the minute munchers is not going to help. Which is one of the reasons why we should have held onto Sbisa!
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I'm suggesting he's not an NHL goalie next year. And that in two years he might be the backup(maybe even the second half of next year). Either way, I anticipate it will take some time for him to take the reigns at the NHL level. Like I said, two years. Similar to Schnieds who played 3 years in the AHL before coming up full time.
- neem55


Playing 3 years in the AHL isnt a bad thing, but its unnecessary for some players, and I think Demko is one of them. Schneider actually played 8 games in the NHL, his 2nd AHL season, it didn't seem to affect his development in any way. Some guys are ready faster than others, Andersson, Murray, Elliot, Rask, Hellebyuk, Gibson, Quick, these guys made the jump after 2 years in the AHL. Considering Demko's 3 years of NCAA experience and the fact he was stealing games in his first year on a mediocre Comets team, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to play in a backup role next year.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
They'll entice him to sign to burn a year off his ELC. Yes it is a sh1t show, but let him taste the Kool aid
- VanHockeyGuy

Gaudette is an important part of the future and I don’t give a sh!t about his ELC. Get him signed ASAP
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
Playing 3 years in the AHL isnt a bad thing, but its unnecessary for some players, and I think Demko is one of them. Schneider actually played 8 games in the NHL, his 2nd AHL season, it didn't seem to affect his development in any way. Some guys are ready faster than others, Andersson, Murray, Elliot, Rask, Hellebyuk, Gibson, Quick, these guys made the jump after 2 years in the AHL. Considering Demko's 3 years of NCAA experience and the fact he was stealing games in his first year on a mediocre Comets team, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to play in a backup role next year.
- Brooks_Light


Playing 8 games isn't backing up a goalie for a year. Notice Schnieder played 60 games in the AHL after that? It's called development, it takes time. I'm all for him getting a couple starts, I've said this numerous times. I think you're simplyfying lots of situations where goalies played in the AHL more than 2 years.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
Gaudette is an important part of the future and I don’t give a sh!t about his ELC. Get him signed ASAP
- CanuckDon



Brock was fine, Gaudette will be too.


I have zero worries about him signing. He'll slot in beautifully behind Pettersson and Horvat. He's the real deal and most nhl-ready prospect the Canucks have at this moment.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: Don't be Weird. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Gaudette is an important part of the future and I don’t give a sh!t about his ELC. Get him signed ASAP
- CanuckDon

dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jan 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Playing 8 games isn't backing up a goalie for a year. Notice Schnieder played 60 games in the AHL after that? It's called development, it takes time. I'm all for him getting a couple starts, I've said this numerous times. I think you're simplyfying lots of situations where goalies played in the AHL more than 2 years.
- neem55


I thiink Schneider came up and played some games as a backup when Luo was injured and then went back to the Moose
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 11 @ 3:02 PM ET


Brock was fine, Gaudette will be too.


I have zero worries about him signing. He'll slot in beautifully behind Pettersson and Horvat.

- Nucker101

I’m assuming this is probably a sarcastic post but I agree with it lol. Gaudette is just as prepared as Boeser was last year. I expect a smooth transition
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
demko is already good enough, they need to put some other young guys around him and call up the journeymen like holm/boucher/ chapoop and give JV and some of these other guys 16-20 minutes per night. In Stecher's case, 20 minutes+. JV is gaining confidence, I have less of a problem with him in the NHL than Hutton/Stecher. I think the euros and NCAA guys should go to Utica for a year and force a callup.
- neem55

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 11 @ 3:05 PM ET
They'll entice him to sign to burn a year off his ELC. Yes it is a sh1t show, but let him taste the Kool aid
- VanHockeyGuy

It will be Kool Aid tainted with liquid LSD.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 11 @ 3:07 PM ET
It will be Kool Aid tainted with liquid LSD.
- Marwood

LSD would be required to not sign him and give games at the end of the year if the alternative is him going back to college.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
Playing 8 games isn't backing up a goalie for a year. Notice Schnieder played 60 games in the AHL after that? It's called development, it takes time. I'm all for him getting a couple starts, I've said this numerous times. I think you're simplyfying lots of situations where goalies played in the AHL more than 2 years.
- neem55


i didn't say he was a backup, but i'm pointing out that he got some games in and he faired out fine. I also agreed that in Schneiders case a 3rd year was fine and necessary. However, I think I gave you a bunch of good examples as to the opposite side of the argument, I wasn't simplifying anything, just pointing out factual evidence of goalies that played 2 years and then made the jump successfully.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
I would keep Gaudette far away from this sh*t-Show, particularly at the end of the (really ugly losing) season when morale should be at an all time low. Same goes with Demko.
To much going on at the end of the season to compound things. Does Benning get a new contract? Do the Sedins want an extension?

- Marwood

We brought Boeser in last year and he's fine.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 11 @ 3:13 PM ET
We brought Boeser in last year and he's fine.
- LordHumungous


i cant see how it could be any worse, consider in the 9 games Boeser played, we lost the last 8 of them!
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