What sounds more reasonable?

We were going to finish this low because of our other teams in previous seasons sucking. History dictates.

or

Injuries to Bo, Sutter, Tanev, Baertchi, Dorsette, etc... really broke the Canucks backs the last few weeks when they were playing the most structured hockey we have seen in recent years up to that point.
- boonerbuck

Weren't all those players here for the last couple collapses?

Just for random fact checking. Of Left wingers who played 60 plus games last season in the NHL. 86 LW's played more then 60 games. Only 14 of them scored less then Gaunce's (comical) projected prime of 6-12-18 points.

If you go 50 games 102 LW's and 26 players scored less then 18 points in 50 games.

He will probably get this season to start to produce more otherwise his chance at being a regular next season will be much smaller.
- manvanfan

Lets hope for this outcome

I know you like to think that if poop comes a different pile it will stink less. It doesn't.

You don't like LE at 6 years 6 million. JVR or Hornqvist will be different? Probably not.

Ottawa isn't going to let go of Mark Stone.
- manvanfan

Tell me what is worse hoping a new pile of poop won't stink or expecting different results by doing the same thing over and over.

If you don't try something different you get the same results.

You remove the existing pile of crap and throw down something new and hope for a better smell

After watching this team for the last few years I would like to see some deep changes this year in the summer to get a new look.

Some UFA top line picks JVR Hornqvist or Stone take one and say bye to Danny and Hank.

Second line guys Perron would be decent.

Third and fourth line guys like Sceviour Hendricks or Nolan all short term cheap .

I would like to see Gryba as a cheap pick up or bring back Biega.
- VANTEL

Boo... to all of this... please no. Jvr will be overpaid.
Twins on the cheap, yes. They're producing a point a game over the last 23 games.
Kane 6x6 please.
Nobody else.

As long as they don’t throw term at any ufas it will be a win. Over pay JVR on a one year, who cares, just don’t “bring in” a new “core”
- 1970vintage

No long term deals

just highlights the teams lack of depth more than anything. Some teams can deal with injuries because they are much deeper.

Should this trend continue 2-3 years from now then yes, their would be reason for concern. But as it is, this is a young, injury riddled team that simply doesnt have enough horses to compete.

I'll hit the panic button when this team is deep and still playing like shyt.
- vancity787

Exactly...they are right where they should be...no shame, no fault... we are in fact one of the poorest constructed teams in the NHL ! I think next year is when it starts to turn and we may challenge for middle of the pack status... But I smell another stinky finish this year .

Truly laughable
- CanuckDon

Who? Please expand your take beyond a 6 year olds?

Boo... to all of this... please no. Jvr will be overpaid.
Twins on the cheap, yes. They're producing a point a game over the last 23 games.
Kane 6x6 please.
Nobody else.
- Pres.cup

Boo to all your fluff too . You guys are screaming for more second round picks and you want to bring in two 38 year olds that don't back check and can't be traded. How do you get the more picks?

As long as I see these comments I will reply with my standard pat answer too.

Exactly...they are right where they should be...no shame, no fault... we are in fact one of the poorest constructed teams in the NHL ! I think next year is when it starts to turn and we may challenge for middle of the pack status... But I smell another stinky finish this year .
- Bullfrog77

Tell me what is worse hoping a new pile of poop won't stink or expecting different results by doing the same thing over and over.

If you don't try something different you get the same results.

You remove the existing pile of crap and throw down something new and hope for a better smell
- VANTEL

Vey, Etem, Cracknell turned into Chaput, Prust, Megna, turned into Dowd, Gaunce, Granlund

Ya that pile of poops just keeps smelling better.

Boo to all your fluff too . You guys are screaming for more second round picks and you want to bring in two 38 year olds that don't back check and can't be traded. How do you get the more picks?

As long as I see these comments I will reply with my standard pat answer too.
- VANTEL

Let go of Chaput and Dowd and replace them with the twins. Upgrade above them, the twins arn't the problem.

Boo... to all of this... please no. Jvr will be overpaid.
Twins on the cheap, yes. They're producing a point a game over the last 23 games.
Kane 6x6 please.
Nobody else.
- Pres.cup

No more Anchors. Game is about speed.

Vey, Etem, Cracknell turned into Chaput, Prust, Megna, turned into Dowd, Gaunce, Granlund

Ya that pile of poops just keeps smelling better.
- manvanfan

That is about as dumbass as you can get. You are comparing Hornqvist JVR and Mark Stone to Vey Chaput and Cracknell

Let go of Chaput and Dowd and replace them with the twins. Upgrade above them, the twins arn't the problem.
- Pres.cup

I see you like bottom teams

Going to be an interesting Philly game next season.

- boonerbuck

Well hopefully Nucker will have abandoned the Mr. Positivity Pom pom shtick and be back to his normal critical self.

Weren't all those players here for the last couple collapses?
- Bullfrog77

yes but they didnt all have 4-6 week injuries at the exact same time.

Sven Bo Boeser were producing at a 1st line rate that was on par as any other 1st numbers in the league, minus Tampa, LA, Wash, Winnipeg. Gagner, Vanek,Loui were putting up decent 2nd line #s and the Sedins were being used in a 3rd line role for the first time ever, Sutter, Gran, Dorsett were having great success at shutting down other teams top lines. The trends you talk about were and are changing, it was evident, in the #s and record.
There's no way you can believe that having Bo, Sven, Sutter, Dorsett, Tanev and Guddy all out at the same time for significant injuries didnt collapse this team. Our records the past couple years from feb onward were 11-22 & 7-25 - IF we have the same line up after the all star break that we had at the beginning of the season I cant see us being that bad.
Plus, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit & Edmonton are all equally as bad as us, its not gonna be pretty and we could very well finish bottom three but i don't think its as cut and dry as you're making it to be based on historical trends...

That is about as dumbass as you can get. You are comparing Hornqvist JVR and Mark Stone to Vey Chaput and Cracknell
- VANTEL

I think we can do better than Dowd Gaunce Granlund and a few more . It is not setting the bar too high

That's your quote.

I compared LE to JVR and Hornqvist.

Good try though

Well hopefully Nucker will have abandoned the Mr. Positivity Pom pom shtick and be back to his normal critical self.
- Makita

He's too far gone.

Let go of Chaput and Dowd and replace them with the twins. Upgrade above them, the twins arn't the problem.
- Pres.cup

Healthy line up twins were producing at half a point per game. Playing 4th line minutes. 14-10-4. Injuries happen, Twins start producing at a point per game. playing bigger minutes team goes 3-13-2? Are you sure?

New blog is up, looking at the unusual origins of Friday's goals, the Sedins making their case to play another year and some familiar faces at the KHL All-Star Game:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...er-Blue-Jackets/194/90280

yes but they didnt all have 4-6 week injuries at the exact same time.

Sven Bo Boeser were producing at a 1st line rate that was on par as any other 1st numbers in the league, minus Tampa, LA, Wash, Winnipeg. Gagner, Vanek,Loui were putting up decent 2nd line #s and the Sedins were being used in a 3rd line role for the first time ever, Sutter, Gran, Dorsett were having great success at shutting down other teams top lines. The trends you talk about were and are changing, it was evident, in the #s and record.
There's no way you can believe that having Bo, Sven, Sutter, Dorsett, Tanev and Guddy all out at the same time for significant injuries didnt collapse this team. Our records the past couple years from feb onward were 11-22 & 7-25 - IF we have the same line up after the all star break that we had at the beginning of the season I cant see us being that bad.
Plus, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit & Edmonton are all equally as bad as us, its not gonna be pretty and we could very well finish bottom three but i don't think its as cut and dry as you're making it to be based on historical trends...
- Brooks_Light

I accept that the coincidental injuries were unusual and that is a major factor in the recent poop performance. When they come back, they will be "better", but I see them really being a long way from being a .500 hockey team.

Their full year record over the last couple of seasons has them right around 30-31 wins and +/- 70 points. No evidence to suggest it will be much different this season (I don't think the first 10-15 games is a strong predictor). Whether that gets them top 3 draft odds or top 6 will depend a lot on just how bad Edmonton, Montreal and Ottawa are.

#DroppingForDahlin
#10AFirstTimeEver

yes but they didnt all have 4-6 week injuries at the exact same time.

Sven Bo Boeser were producing at a 1st line rate that was on par as any other 1st numbers in the league, minus Tampa, LA, Wash, Winnipeg. Gagner, Vanek,Loui were putting up decent 2nd line #s and the Sedins were being used in a 3rd line role for the first time ever, Sutter, Gran, Dorsett were having great success at shutting down other teams top lines. The trends you talk about were and are changing, it was evident, in the #s and record.
There's no way you can believe that having Bo, Sven, Sutter, Dorsett, Tanev and Guddy all out at the same time for significant injuries didnt collapse this team. Our records the past couple years from feb onward were 11-22 & 7-25 - IF we have the same line up after the all star break that we had at the beginning of the season I cant see us being that bad.
Plus, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit & Edmonton are all equally as bad as us, its not gonna be pretty and we could very well finish bottom three but i don't think its as cut and dry as you're making it to be based on historical trends...
- Brooks_Light

I felt before they even played 1 regular season game that they were still a bottom three team. I felt that way after the hot unexpected start. The season is 82 games long for a reason... to separate the good teams from the bad. Games in October and November don't mean a whole heck of a lot. It's in the heat of the playoff races after Christmas that proves a teams metal ... and for the last half dozen years we've pretty well proven were made of tin. Nothing is cut and dried...its an opinion that's all , based on around a 500 game sample size . The roster is crap...even with Bo and Sutter and gudbranson and tanev....vanek yadda yadda yadda !

Over/under the Canucks claim JT brown

As long as they don’t throw term at any ufas it will be a win. Over pay JVR on a one year, who cares, just don’t “bring in” a new “core”
- 1970vintage

Ya that's what I was saying with Tkachuk, just take the BPA and try to get more center/defensive depth in the second round and beyond.
- LeftCoaster

Thats what many teams hope for & only put off the inevitable. Pick D or C high or wait til another draft & delay the process once again. Wingers r the least needed & a dime a dozen.