Just look at Edmonton
- Der Kaiser

For all the "point and laugh" at Edmonton that's done around here, they have won more playoff series' since the 2005 lockout than the Sabres have.

For all the "point and laugh" at Edmonton that's done around here, they have won more playoff series' since the 2005 lockout than the Sabres have.
- buffalofan19

ive gone from point and laugh to feel really sorry. especially after Barzal had another terrific game for the isles

In what sense though? Ristolainen has gone from gorges to kulikov to scandella, each one was an upgrade.

His numbers would definitely improve if he wasnt being asked to do so much but that's kind of the problem. His numbers could go up if he isn't being treated like a core player, which means were short a few of those.
- Sabresfan-365

I don’t think u need to be a superstar to be a “core” player

But yeah,
Obviously we could use some more talent

I can’t imagine anyone would disagree with that

For all the "point and laugh" at Edmonton that's done around here, they have won more playoff series' since the 2005 lockout than the Sabres have.
- buffalofan19

That’s not true
They went to the Cup that one year
Then didn’t make it back to the playoffs until last year where they won 1 round
So that’s 4 wins

Do we only have 4 as well though?
Back to back ECF means we won 2 each year
Have we not won a round since?
That’s depressing

I don’t think u need to be a superstar to be a “core” player

But yeah,
Obviously we could use some more talent

I can’t imagine anyone would disagree with that
- jdfitz77

not superstar level but high impact i guess? Not sure what the best way to describe it is but you usually know without a doubt when someones a core guy. If there are all sorts of question marks then he's probably not

That’s not true
They went to the Cup that one year
Then didn’t make it back to the playoffs until last year where they won 1 round
So that’s 4 wins

Do we only have 4 as well though?
Back to back ECF means we won 2 each year
Have we not won a round since?
That’s depressing
- jdfitz77

You're right. For some reason, I keep thinking they went to the ECF last year.

And no, we haven't.

You're right. For some reason, I keep thinking they went to the ECF last year.

And no, we haven't.
- buffalofan19

Point taken though
Obviously we haven’t been good since Drury/Briere

We just haven’t been as bad as the Oilers for as long

not superstar level but high impact i guess? Not sure what the best way to describe it is but you usually know without a doubt when someones a core guy. If there are all sorts of question marks then he's probably not
- Sabresfan-365

If you have to blame the players around a guy for not being effective, he's not a core player, not on a good team anyway.

not superstar level but high impact i guess? Not sure what the best way to describe it is but you usually know without a doubt when someones a core guy. If there are all sorts of question marks then he's probably not
- Sabresfan-365

I define it as guys who have the ability to make any game theirs.

Eichel has that.

O’Reilly doesn’t. Does he have really good games sometimes, sure. So does Reinhart. But there has never been a game that O’Reilly really looked like he controlled.

I define it as guys who have the ability to make any game theirs.

Eichel has that.

O’Reilly doesn’t. Does he have really good games sometimes, sure. So does Reinhart. But there has never been a game that O’Reilly really looked like he controlled.
- sbroads24

This is so depressing

Not trying set too high of an expectation but hopefully Guhle and Mittelstadt can be that

Niether does any other singular stat. Like goals or points

You’re taking one single stat and making a generalization.
- sbroads24

Sure, but it's the single stat 90% of stats nerds use as the be-all, end-all on why a player is good or bad.

not superstar level but high impact i guess? Not sure what the best way to describe it is but you usually know without a doubt when someones a core guy. If there are all sorts of question marks then he's probably not
- Sabresfan-365

I guess I just differ in what my definition of impact player is

O’Reilly plays a really important role for us
And for as much as he gets dogged on here, he actually does it pretty well
On pace for 57pts this year
A bit under his ppg average for us the last 2 years...
but if the PP didn’t fall off the cliff,
his numbers would be right there again

So for me,
that makes him a valuable part of our “core”
That doesn’t mean i don’t want more good players though

I define it as guys who have the ability to make any game theirs.

Eichel has that.

O’Reilly doesn’t. Does he have really good games sometimes, sure. So does Reinhart. But there has never been a game that O’Reilly really looked like he controlled.
- sbroads24

There’s very few “core” players in the league then by your definition

You’re talking about the best of the best

oh god...didn't we have someone here that mentioned jack echl not scoring while he was injured those 21 games?...or something like that?
- Michael Pachla

Ripped Fuel I think?

There’s very few “core” players in the league then by your definition

You’re talking about the best of the best
- jdfitz77

Not that few.

Pittsburgh has like 4 of them.

Toronto has a few

Washington has 3 or 4

Boston has a few

It’s not a knock on O’Reilly as much as I’m saying we need another guy to be better than him

I guess I just differ in what my definition of impact player is

O’Reilly plays a really important role for us
And for as much as he gets dogged on here, he actually does it pretty well
On pace for 57pts this year
A bit under his ppg average for us the last 2 years...
but if the PP didn’t fall off the cliff,
his numbers would be right there again

So for me,
that makes him a valuable part of our “core”
That doesn’t mean i don’t want more good players though
- jdfitz77

Right but you're saying that in the context of him being a great 2 way centre correct? His 2 way numbers haven't really been good since he's been here, which has contributed to us being a bottom 5 team.

Not that few.

Pittsburgh has like 4 of them.

Toronto has a few

Washington has 3 or 4

Boston has a few

It’s not a knock on O’Reilly as much as I’m saying we need another guy to be better than him
- sbroads24

For example:
If I were to use your definition,
then Hosea wasn’t a “core” player for Chicago

But I’d argue he was actually very important to their success

I’d say the same about Hjarlmsson

Do we need better players?
Of course no one disputes that
But it also doesn’t mean that the “good” players we have are crap
Just that we gotta keep adding to them

For example:
If I were to use your definition,
then Hosea wasn’t a “core” player for Chicago

But I’d argue he was actually very important to their success

I’d say the same about Hjarlmsson

Do we need better players?
Of course no one disputes that
But it also doesn’t mean that the “good” players we have are crap
Just that we gotta keep adding to them
- jdfitz77

Why wouldn’t Hossa be?

He was phenomenal at times for them.

Current Sabres players against a contending team construct based on production with potental prospect)

Line 1:
Kane - Eichel - need one (Mittelstadt?)
Top Pair:
Need one (Guhle?) - need one

Line 2:
Need one - ROR - Okposo
2nd Pairing:
Scandella - Risto

Line 3:
Pouloit - need one (Asplund) - Pommenville/need one (Baptiste)
3rd Pairing
McCabe - Bogo

Line 4:
ERod - Josefson - need one(Bailey?)
7th D
Antipin/Falk/Fedun

Starting Goalie
Need one (Ullmark?)
Backup Goalie
Need one

So, in my mind we can dispose of the following asap:
-Reinhart
-Girgenson
-Larsson
-Nolan
-Wilson
-Bleua-boy
As well as feel free to dump the following for nearly anything to get rid of the inflated salary
-Pommenville
-Bogo

Right but you're saying that in the context of him being a great 2 way centre correct? His 2 way numbers haven't really been good since he's been here, which has contributed to us being a bottom 5 team.
- Sabresfan-365

What “numbers” are u talking about though?
I’m gonna wager that the ones you’re talking about are stats that suffer when guys are on bad teams & get better when guys are on good teams

If you’re saying it’s O’Reilly’s fault that we are bottom5 still
I disagree
He’s not part of the problem imo

Why wouldn’t Hossa be?

He was phenomenal at times for them.
- sbroads24

He’s not a guy who “dominated”
Really good 2way player who put up similar numbers to ROR I’d guess
At least scoring
Idk about the fancy stats

Hossa was never like PK88 though

What “numbers” are u talking about though?
I’m gonna wager that the ones you’re talking about are stats that suffer when guys are on bad teams & get better when guys are on good teams

If you’re saying it’s O’Reilly’s fault that we are bottom5 still
I disagree
He’s not part of the problem imo
- jdfitz77

Im talking about the numbers we typically associate with 2 way centres(i.e shot suppression.) Is he specifically what's wrong with this team? No but in the time he's been here its not like he actually shut down opposition scoring (granted the blueline doesnt help)

A new Kane hit piece

https://twitter.com/sport...status/952246469792337920
- sbroads24

"Myers(21 minutes a game)"

They mentioned Kane's ability and made sure to include, when healthy, but totally neglected Myers has played in 200 games(including 47 for Sabres in trade year) in 3 and a half years. He's missed ~1/3 of his games.

SN is on the level of MSNBC and Fox when it comes to bias.

Current Sabres players against a contending team construct based on production with potental prospect)

Line 1:
Kane - Eichel - need one (Mittelstadt?)
Top Pair:
Need one (Guhle?) - need one

Line 2:
Need one - ROR - Okposo
2nd Pairing:
Scandella - Risto

Line 3:
Pouloit - need one (Asplund) - Pommenville/need one (Baptiste)
3rd Pairing
McCabe - Bogo

Line 4:
ERod - Josefson - need one(Bailey?)
7th D
Antipin/Falk/Fedun

Starting Goalie
Need one (Ullmark?)
Backup Goalie
Need one

So, in my mind we can dispose of the following asap:
-Reinhart
-Girgenson
-Larsson
-Nolan
-Wilson
-Bleua-boy
As well as feel free to dump the following for nearly anything to get rid of the inflated salary
-Pommenville
-Bogo
- IonSabres

I’d say that’s a fairly close interpretation
Disagree with some stuff here & there,
but nothing major

"Myers(21 minutes a game)"

They mentioned Kane's ability and made sure to include, when healthy, but totally neglected Myers has played in 200 games(including 47 for Sabres in trade year) in 3 and a half years. He's missed ~1/3 of his games.

SN is on the level of MSNBC and Fox when it comes to bias.
- Wetbandit1

ESPN is right there too...its too bad that sports networks have taken up this kind of bullpoop.

I know a lot of people don't like Kane. But he is 20x the player Myers is and way more tough.