What is the rule here.... if he is picked up on re-entry waivers (Is that even still a thing?) how does that effect who pays his contact?
- Beatle_john

There's no more re-entry waivers. You pay 100% of whatever contract is remaining of a waiver claimed player.

Bowman is a professional and been in the front office for years. He obviously put quite a bit of thought into that offer and thought it made at least a little bit of sense for the Canucks. He knows what he's doing.
- Nucker101

What has happened to you?

Carey Price has a brutal deal, Lucic, Ladd but yes I tend to agree it is the worst.
- mauryballstein

People are so quick to judge, most of these deals aren't even halfway done. I doubt any poster here could negotiate better contracts than professional GM's who have been in the business for years.


What's next? We're gonna criticize a firefighter for not being quick enough to save lives and put out a fire?

What has happened to you?
- mauryballstein

Enlightenment

If Chicago has Sikura signed - I wonder if MDZ would get it done? Otherwise it would have to be a 2nd, which they don't have.
- Brooks_Light

Is MDZ even worth a 2nd?

Could be a 2nd next season or a 3rd this year would work too.

People are so quick to judge, most of these deals aren't even halfway done. I doubt any poster here could negotiate better contracts than professional GM's who have been in the business for years.


What's next? We're gonna criticize a firefighter for not being quick enough to save lives and put out a fire?
- Nucker101

No it wasn't MDZ
The proposal which Vancouver Supposedly denied in the summer was

To Chi
Tanev

To Van
Seabrook
Forsling
- classic321

Add Erikkson and we have a deal.

There's no more re-entry waivers. You pay 100% of whatever contract is remaining of a waiver claimed player.
- Nucker101

So what was the benefit then of not picking him up on the way down. Were they hoping they could trade a 7th rounder for a percentage of Chicago retaining contact salary?

Seems risky to allow all other teams to pass.

So what was the benefit then of not picking him up on the way down. Were they hoping they could trade a 7th rounder for a percentage of Chicago retaining contact salary?
- Beatle_john

He hasn't been placed on waivers yet. But hypothetically, a GM that wants him could let him clear waivers first and then call Chicago up and ask them to retain salary or take on a bad contract in return and make a trade instead.

Another factor is the 50 contract limit, some teams are already at 50 signed players so they can't claim a player. It's why some players go unclaimed on waivers and then get traded for something later.

Is MDZ even worth a 2nd?

Could be a 2nd next season or a 3rd this year would work too.
- mauryballstein

I would hope so but who fawking knows anymore - there's so many weird deals that start happening around this time leading up to the TDL. I think deals can be a little more desperate (overpaid) than logical.

We know that MDZ is a minute muncher (20+ per night), can play against top lines, moves the puck fairly well, can play in all situations, hits way more than i ever thought and puts up a few points. I think a second is fair, possibly a conditional third?

I would hope so but who fawking knows anymore - there's so many weird deals that start happening around this time leading up to the TDL. I think deals can be a little more desperate (overpaid) than logical.

We know that MDZ is a minute muncher (20+ per night), can play against top lines, moves the puck fairly well, can play in all situations, hits way more than i ever thought and puts up a few points. I think a second is fair, possibly a conditional third?
- Brooks_Light

The burrows deal is prime example of a weird deal.

The burrows deal is prime example of a weird deal.
- mauryballstein

Duchene deal was weird to me.

Ottawa gave up essentially two 1st's and a 2nd for the difference between duchene and Turris.

Bowman is a professional and been in the front office for years. He obviously put quite a bit of thought into that offer and thought it made at least a little bit of sense for the Canucks. He knows what he's doing.
- Nucker101

in the summer, that would have been a bergevin level bad deal for the nucks.

that deal now is getting into below chiarelli level bad.

in the summer, that would have been a bergevin level bad deal for the nucks.

that deal now is getting into below chiarelli level bad.
- Tumbleweed

Benning was right to turn it down. Another sign that he's much smarter than the media/fans will give him credit for.

Duchene deal was weird to me.

Ottawa gave up essentially two 1st's and a 2nd for the difference between duchene and Turris.
- classic321

yeah - the sens paid those picks to avoid losing turris for nothing.

instead, they'll lose duchene for nothing next year and will still be out the picks.

Benning was right to turn it down. Another sign that he's much smarter than the media/fans will give him credit for.
- Nucker101

i can't come here and honestly say he's a bottom 5 gm anymore.

middle of the pack. seems to be learning on the job. if aquillini would give him a full re-build mandate for 2 years, he could do well.

i can't come here and honestly say he's a bottom 5 gm anymore.

middle of the pack. seems to be learning on the job. if aquillini would give him a full re-build mandate for 2 years, he could do well.
- Tumbleweed

He's top 10 for me. I myself used to ridicule him, but when I took the time to fairly compare him to his rival GM's and only look at the long-term picture, he comes out looking pretty strong.

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat is a damn nice top 3 forward group. Then you add in:

Gaudette - leading NCAA scorer and strong 2 way player
Lind - top 10 CHL scorer
Gadjovich - team Canada WJHC
Dahlen - dominating the Swedish AHL
Virtanen - can be a Kreider type.

Demko's stats are eerily similar to Schneider's, going back to college.

Juolevi is putting up points in Finland's top league as a 19 year old.

Just need another solid draft in 2018 and things are looking up.

If bowman called benning and really did offer Seabrook and forsling for Tanev and a 3rd, i hope that not only did Benning rudely hang up on him, but let out a huge fart into the speaker before doing so.

He's top 10 for me. I myself used to ridicule him, but when I took the time to fairly compare him to his rival GM's and only look at the long-term picture, he comes out looking pretty strong.
- Nucker101

i think there will always be a what if with him. the win now and rebuild mandate is slowing things down.

i doubt he's given the leash to see the longer rebuild pan out.

He's top 10 for me. I myself used to ridicule him, but when I took the time to fairly compare him to his rival GM's and only look at the long-term picture, he comes out looking pretty strong.

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat is a damn nice top 3 forward group. Then you add in:

Gaudette - leading NCAA scorer and strong 2 way player
Lind - top 10 CHL scorer
Gadjovich - team Canada WJHC
Dahlen - dominating the Swedish AHL
Virtanen - can be a Kreider type.

Demko's stats are eerily similar to Schneider's, going back to college.

Juolevi is putting up points in Finland's top league as a 19 year old.

Just need another solid draft in 2018 and things are looking up.
- Nucker101

i can't even hate you guys anymore if you're going to screw the sens over like that

People are so quick to judge, most of these deals aren't even halfway done. I doubt any poster here could negotiate better contracts than professional GM's who have been in the business for years.


What's next? We're gonna criticize a firefighter for not being quick enough to save lives and put out a fire?
- Nucker101

lol

i can't even hate you guys anymore if you're going to screw the sens over like that
- Tumbleweed

Burrows is killing it

Burrows is killing it
- pker2theend

14 point pace

and he's signed next year too

He's top 10 for me. I myself used to ridicule him, but when I took the time to fairly compare him to his rival GM's and only look at the long-term picture, he comes out looking pretty strong.

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat is a damn nice top 3 forward group. Then you add in:

Gaudette - leading NCAA scorer and strong 2 way player
Lind - top 10 CHL scorer
Gadjovich - team Canada WJHC
Dahlen - dominating the Swedish AHL
Virtanen - can be a Kreider type.

Demko's stats are eerily similar to Schneider's, going back to college.

Juolevi is putting up points in Finland's top league as a 19 year old.

Just need another solid draft in 2018 and things are looking up.
- Nucker101

Whoa nelly,
Pettersson - couldn't even crack the Swedish Olympic team...bust
Virtanen - 4th line player...bust
Lind - cut from team Canada...cut
Gadjovich - team Canada WJHC bench warmer
Dahlen - dominating the Swedish AHL worse league than the ECHL