Neither does Eriksson I would sit him in the press box and tell him call us when you are ready to step up. Give the spot to someone who gives a damn

Even buying him out doesn't save money it only saves 500 K a year . Although next yeak he can be sent to Utica and you save 900 K
- VANTEL

Right now, a player getting sent down to minors get 1.025 million buried and that will change again next year as the cap increases.
A player like Paul Martin has a 4.85 million contract and is at a cap hit of 3.83 while in minors.
Down the road here, as he becomes even more of a dud, the best option capwise will be to send him to minors.
Why eat salary and give up picks too get rid of him.

Name them.
- Marwood

(frank) did you not read the next (frank)en line.

He can be moved any time as long as he agrees to it and you can find a sucker. The only difference between a full NTC and a NMC is he can be waive with the former. Even with a full NTC he's not getting traded unless he wants to go.
- LeftCoaster

That is what I was talking about. There was many suggestions about buying him out . I was pointing out if the team has come to that conclusion then waiving is a better option to save more money and extra years won't apply.


Keep up Lefty

That is what I was talking about. There was many suggestions about buying him out . I was pointing out if the team has come to that conclusion then waiving is a better option to save more money and extra years won't apply.


Keep up Lefty
- VANTEL

Benning wouldn't waive him but Ken Holland might lol, who's kidding who Holland loves veterans

Right now, a player getting sent down to minors get 1.025 million buried and that will change again next year as the cap increases.
A player like Paul Martin has a 4.85 million contract and is at a cap hit of 3.83 while in minors.
Down the road here, as he becomes even more of a dud, the best option capwise will be to send him to minors.
Why eat salary and give up picks too get rid of him.
- Reubenkincade

Totally agree send the (frank)er to boring Utica . Next time you sign a contract come ready to play. Let him ride the buses and stay in Hotel 6 maybe that will give him inspiration to be a pro.

Benning wouldn't waive him but Ken Holland might lol, who's kidding who Holland loves veterans
- LeftCoaster

I think Aquilini wants Holland but I am not sure Holland wants Vancouver. That might save Benning his job

I think Aquilini wants Holland but I am not sure Holland wants Vancouver. That might save Benning his job
- VANTEL

I would say Holland's ready for a change now that he's got Detroit in terrible shape

Actually even back then we needed defense

You dont draft for a certain type of forward. You cant just not address our defense it is the worst in the league.

If no boqvist or Dahlin trade back to 6 or 7 for for Dobson or Bouchard, use the extra assets to move back in to the 1st again and draft another defense.
- mauryballstein

There it is. Botchford has the same thought as you. Proof you do crack 😂

Nonsense. You don’t trade a top 5 pick!
- CanuckDon

Do I want to? NO.

But we are currently in a disastrous situation on the back end.

If at 5 its tkachuck(and I like this tkachuck better than the other) or trade back to 8 for Dobson and pick up a 2nd and 3rd for example im doing it. Im then packaging those picks with other picks to climb back in to the 1st for another defensemen if one i like is available.

No defense means we will need to rebuild again like buffalo currently has too. They are the prime example of how not to build a team. Nylander over sergachev was a massive mistake.

I would say Holland's ready for a change now that he's got Detroit in terrible shape
- LeftCoaster

Perfect .

Do I want to? NO.

But we are currently in a disastrous situation on the back end.

If at 5 its tkachuck(and I like this tkachuck better than the other) or trade back to 8 for Dobson and pick up a 2nd and 3rd for example im doing it. Im then packaging those picks with other picks to climb back in to the 1st for another defensemen if one i like is available.

No defense means we will need to rebuild again like buffalo currently has too. They are the prime example of how not to build a team. Nylander over sergachev was a massive mistake.
- mauryballstein

When was the first one?

Perfect .
- VANTEL

No to Holland

Do I want to? NO.

But we are currently in a disastrous situation on the back end.

If at 5 its tkachuck(and I like this tkachuck better than the other) or trade back to 8 for Dobson and pick up a 2nd and 3rd for example im doing it. Im then packaging those picks with other picks to climb back in to the 1st for another defensemen if one i like is available.

No defense means we will need to rebuild again like buffalo currently has too. They are the prime example of how not to build a team. Nylander over sergachev was a massive mistake.
- mauryballstein

Agree with Don on this one, you don't trade out of a top5 pick when you're rebuilding. We have 2nd round, hopefulyl we get some more high draftpicks, but take the BPA.

When was the first one?
- VANTEL

1984 to 1991

There it is. Botchford has the same thought as you. Proof you do crack 😂
- manvanfan

Hit the pipe as often as Tyron Biggins.

Trading all those 2nds and Forsling is what has cost us. JB didnt want to wait for defense to develop because they take a long time. He was ignorant and thought he could make a couple trades and win a cup.

At this point id rather Rasmus Andersson or Oliver Kylington than sven. Then you factor in forsling. Roland McKweon(who would be playing if on the canucks but is stuck on a loaded canes blue line) instead we got linden Vey. Gudbranson could have had us Hajek and McCann.

If we had the following in the system we wouldnt be in the situation we are in.

Hajek - Andersson
Forsling - McKweon

Now add OJ and Tryamkin(hopefully) with Hutton, Stecher and Puliot and things are not bad on the back end at all.

We have absolutely nothing in Utica for defense.

When was the first one?
- VANTEL

47 years ago

1984 to 1991
- LeftCoaster

When was the first one?
- VANTEL

True

Not disagreeing with you here, just pointing out that Benning was trying to move down last year.
His guy, Petterson, wasn't going too get picked at 5 so he tried to flip spots for an extra pick.
- Reubenkincade

If you are certain EP is going at 10? Then sure, trade down but this isn't a video game this is real life. Everyone at the draft new the Rangers would have taken him. Be confident in your scouting and make your pick I fully support trading down in the middle rounds but not at the top of the draft.

Agree with Don on this one, you don't trade out of a top5 pick when you're rebuilding. We have 2nd round, hopefulyl we get some more high draftpicks, but take the BPA.
- neem55

Generally 1st rounders develop quicker at least loading up on defense in the 1st would have us with defense prospect 3 years away from being decent at the NHL level. No way to really do it quicker.

I want to go back to cup contenders not scratching at the playoff door for the next 10 years.

But we will win the lottery this year and I will get my defensemen you guys will get your BPA

If you are certain EP is going at 10? Then sure, trade down but this isn't a video game this is real life. Everyone at the draft new the Rangers would have taken him. Be confident in your scouting and make your pick I fully support trading down in the middle rounds but not at the top of the draft.
- CanuckDon

I think a lot depends on how the scouts see the players in the trade down range and what a team is willing to give up at the time. Each situation will be totally different. If you have pick at 5 and have 5 players all ranked basically equal then why not trade back a few spots for an asset. If at 5 there is a massive drop off then no way you trade back.

- VANTEL

I think Benning may have been drafting for the Canucks back then too ......

Not wrong. You can find a lot of players that will sign a 1 year contract. I listed the 17 players that did from last summer. You choose to ignore it.

Even worse was all the screaming last season from the tankers about how the rebuild wont actually start until the Sedins are gone.

Simply having the Sedins play 4th line minutes isnt insulating anyone.
- manvanfan

Litmus test of those 17 players comes up short.

1 year contract
Under Market value contract
Willingness to play down the line-up
Roll models off the ice for our top prospect.

They al fail except the twins who Patterson has said are the best players in Swedish history, his super hero of you will.

He can be moved any time as long as he agrees to it and you can find a sucker. The only difference between a full NTC and a NMC is he can be waive with the former. Even with a full NTC he's not getting traded unless he wants to go.
- LeftCoaster

his last 2 seasons a M-NTC so he has to provide a list when asked at that point. If we retain on him we could get something.

If you are certain EP is going at 10? Then sure, trade down but this isn't a video game this is real life. Everyone at the draft new the Rangers would have taken him. Be confident in your scouting and make your pick I fully support trading down in the middle rounds but not at the top of the draft.
- CanuckDon

I hear you and I don't play video games, unlike some in here.
I liked what Benning did last draft when he traded pick #112 for what turned out to be Gunnarson and Palmu. He got an extra dart to throw at the dartboard by doing that.
If Benning feels that the player he wants is available at say 8, and he can get another decent pick for trading away our pick at #6, then by all means he needs to consider it.
This team is short on talent at every position, so the more picks at the top 3 rounds he can get, the better this team will be in the long run.