That's a good start, I'll give you that

I don't hate Benning by the way, nor do I think he's an idiot, I'd just prefer someone who's slightly better at all facets of the position.
- LeftCoaster

I think we'd all like everyone including ourselves to be slightly better at all faucets of their position.

This goes back to the get rid of player A and replace him with player B who is a better player at a bettet cap hit, argument.

Darth Sidious would be so proud of the posters tonight in here

Vanek might bring a better return than Gudbranson at this point, sadly, unless you're Don Cheery trading for him
- LeftCoaster

In the big scheme it doesn't matter . The twins will sign 2 year deal x 5 m each protect the kids , get us a top draft pick and Benning can select a soft Swede and we can brag about how he is at drafting

That's a good start, I'll give you that

I don't hate Benning by the way, nor do I think he's an idiot, I'd just prefer someone who's slightly better at all facets of the position.
- LeftCoaster

In the end, does it really matter if it's Benning or Holland or someone else? A lot is going to be out of the GMs control anyways. A GM can only do so much, if players don't live up to their potential or get injured or a deal falls through or doesn't get made, is that really the GMs fault? Having a great roster on paper doesn't automatically guarantee you a Stanley Cup, if that were the case then you wouldn't be playing 82 games plus win 16 in the playoffs for it.

Benning isn't horrible, he's made mistakes, but so have plenty of other GMs. No one wins every single trade, nor can all their draft picks pan out. I've always said that the one holding the team back from becoming good again is FA. He needs the team to succeed financially because everything he and his brothers own is tied up in the team and his ego won't allow him to let anything fail.

I know I've said it before, he's fired the entire staff at the golf course he owns (Golden Eagle) just because it wasn't doing as well as the bigger, more well established course a few miles down the road (Swan-E-Set) just because his ego was such that he wanted to put one over on the the owners of the other golf course and blamed the staff for his business failures instead.

In the big scheme it doesn't matter . The twins will sign 2 year deal x 5 m each protect the kids , get us a top draft pick and Benning can select a soft Swede and we can brag about how he is at drafting
- VANTEL

Are you saying dahlin is soft?

- VANTEL

I think we'd all like everyone including ourselves to be slightly better at all faucets of their position.

This goes back to the get rid of player A and replace him with player B who is a better player at a bettet cap hit, argument.
- Pres.cup

It makes for a discussion, not always a good one, but a discussion none the less, which is what the board was intended for.

BTW....I'm not taking the bait

In the big scheme it doesn't matter . The twins will sign 2 year deal x 5 m each protect the kids , get us a top draft pick and Benning can select a soft Swede and we can brag about how he is at drafting
- VANTEL

I'm not ok with this!!!

It makes for a discussion, not always a good one, but a discussion none the less, which is what the board was intended for.

BTW....I'm not taking the bait
- LeftCoaster

I know...

I'm not ok with this!!!
- LeftCoaster

Just bugging you besides Holland will be calling the shots

In the end, does it really matter if it's Benning or Holland or someone else? A lot is going to be out of the GMs control anyways. A GM can only do so much, if players don't live up to their potential or get injured or a deal falls through or doesn't get made, is that really the GMs fault? Having a great roster on paper doesn't automatically guarantee you a Stanley Cup, if that were the case then you wouldn't be playing 82 games plus win 16 in the playoffs for it.

Benning isn't horrible, he's made mistakes, but so have plenty of other GMs. No one wins every single trade, nor can all their draft picks pan out. I've always said that the one holding the team back from becoming good again is FA. He needs the team to succeed financially because everything he and his brothers own is tied up in the team and his ego won't allow him to let anything fail.

I know I've said it before, he's fired the entire staff at the golf course he owns (Golden Eagle) just because it wasn't doing as well as the bigger, more well established course a few miles down the road (Swan-E-Set) just because his ego was such that he wanted to put one over on the the owners of the other golf course and blamed the staff for his business failures instead.
- DariusKnight

There's a lot going on in this post, I will absolutely agree 100% that the biggest factor holding the team back from a quicker rebuild is ownership.

So much goes into Benning's decisions that happens behind the public eye you're right, it's not truly on him all the time, but I've gotta vent on someone, he's an easy target.

Just bugging you besides Holland will be calling the shots
- VANTEL

If that happens, seriously, Aquilini has lost the plot and I'll no longer support his misguided notions of compete without rebuilding.

Holland is not what this team needs at this point in their rebuilding process.

Shapo choking

If that happens, seriously, Aquilini has lost the plot and I'll no longer support his misguided notions of compete without rebuilding.

Holland is not what this team needs at this point in their rebuilding process.
- LeftCoaster

Don't worry they will find new ways next year to disappoint you

Don't worry they will find new ways next year to disappoint you

- VANTEL

Despite their compete mantra Benning has quietly assembled some nice kids, not every one of them is gonna work out but the next GM (if he's canned) will have a few nice pieces to work with if all goes to plan.

There's a lot going on in this post, I will absolutely agree 100% that the biggest factor holding the team back from a quicker rebuild is ownership.

So much goes into Benning's decisions that happens behind the public eye you're right, it's not truly on him all the time, but I've gotta vent on someone, he's an easy target.
- LeftCoaster

That's fair, again, Benning isn't the greatest GM in the world, I think we all can agree on that much at least. I just think venting on him when so much is either out of his control or possibly even been forced upon him is wrong.

I vent on FA a lot because he is the problem, his ego won't allow him to let the team fail in order to get better, it's failing despite all attempts to the contrary and it's probably why Benning will get the boot and Holland (or someone else) will take over and have the same issues. I really hope he does manage to buy the BC Lions and take that over because then maybe just maybe he'll be willing to focus on that team and leave the Canucks to be managed by someone who's ego isn't directly linked to the team's success and therefore might be able to take the long view without regard to gate/concession/seasons ticket revenue.

In the big scheme it doesn't matter . The twins will sign 2 year deal x 5 m each protect the kids , get us a top draft pick and Benning can select a soft Swede and we can brag about how he is at drafting
- VANTEL

Not a chance they sign for a penny more then 4.5 million each.

That's fair, again, Benning isn't the greatest GM in the world, I think we all can agree on that much at least. I just think venting on him when so much is either out of his control or possibly even been forced upon him is wrong.

I vent on FA a lot because he is the problem, his ego won't allow him to let the team fail in order to get better, it's failing despite all attempts to the contrary and it's probably why Benning will get the boot and Holland (or someone else) will take over and have the same issues. I really hope he does manage to buy the BC Lions and take that over because then maybe just maybe he'll be willing to focus on that team and leave the Canucks to be managed by someone who's ego isn't directly linked to the team's success and therefore might be able to take the long view without regard to gate/concession/seasons ticket revenue.
- DariusKnight

Attempting to win and failing every year can't look good on Benning in Francesco's eyes. Benning isn't spending all that money for fun, he's really trying to be competitive, which is lost on some people IMO.

Anyways, because of all the injuries and lack of depth I'm hopeful the TDL will produce another tank and they'll be in a position to get another great pick.

Attempting to win and failing every year can't look good on Benning in Francesco's eyes. Benning isn't spending all that money for fun, he's really trying to be competitive, which is lost on some people IMO.

Anyways, because of all the injuries and lack of depth I'm hopeful the TDL will produce another tank and they'll be in a position to get another great pick.
- LeftCoaster

Which GM could ice a winning product when the core you inherit is Horvat and Tanev? That’s it. Everyone else sucks lol

Attempting to win and failing every year can't look good on Benning in Francesco's eyes. Benning isn't spending all that money for fun, he's really trying to be competitive, which is lost on some people IMO.

Anyways, because of all the injuries and lack of depth I'm hopeful the TDL will produce another tank and they'll be in a position to get another great pick.
- LeftCoaster

If that happens, seriously, Aquilini has lost the plot and I'll no longer support his misguided notions of compete without rebuilding.

Holland is not what this team needs at this point in their rebuilding process.
- LeftCoaster

But next year, after letting Benning run the draft floor turn it over to Holland. It'll be time then.

One more good draft and the turn around will come quick. We've got sime prospect depth, I see us drafting 10 to 20 next year and I'm o.k. with that.

Holland can make some trade with that depth, get some run support to shore up the twins as 2ndary scoring.
The Year after is where the real strides will come, win a round in 2020.

Shapo choking
- CanuckDon

Kid is only 18. Will learn from this

Which GM could ice a winning product when the core you inherit is Horvat and Tanev? That’s it. Everyone else sucks lol
- CanuckDon

I'm not saying he "should" be icing a winning product, I'm saying as a management group they should stop spending so much money trying. Purposely take a step back, hold onto some cap space, it's a valuable tool to have in your pocket.

If ownership hasn't learnt that by now they're hopeless!!!

I'm not saying he "should" be icing a winning product, I'm saying as a management group they should stop spending so much money trying. Purposely take a step back, hold onto some cap space, it's a valuable tool to have in your pocket.

If ownership hasn't learnt that by now they're hopeless!!!
- LeftCoaster

I think they have learned though. Eriksson was clearly a disaster but Del Zotto and Vanek can definitely be turned into draft picks. Not sure about Gagner. In a way they are using cap space to buy picks