The fact Gilman is second is shocking and rediculous
- CanuckDon

The fact you never spell ridiculous correctly is even more shocking


I don't know who's voting on that but it lends itself to the notion Vancouver has the dumbest fans in all of the NHL, sorry if that offends anyone.

Younger, faster, yada yada yada. So why do teams always, every year, go out and specifically acquire experienced veterans for the playoffs? Different game than the regular season perhaps?
- YeOldTimer

How well does it go for the teams that get older? They do it because Vets are experienced. Most of those teams are already young and fast and can afford to have a slow vet. The game does become much more tight checking in the playoffs.

So what do the playoffs have to do with re-signing the Sedin's for the regular season?

The fact you never spell ridiculous correctly is even more shocking


I don't know who's voting on that but it lends itself to the notion Vancouver has the dumbest fans in all of the NHL, sorry if that offends anyone.
- LeftCoaster

I wouldn't say just Van's fans are stupid. Going into the Philly thread is not much different. A lot of fans in general just don't grasp the game. That's why the general fan needs to see so many goals.

I wouldn't say just Van's fans are stupid. Going into the Philly thread is not much different. A lot of fans in general just don't grasp the game. That's why the general fan needs to see so many goals.
- manvanfan

IMO every GM eventually runs his course for a franchise, even the good ones like Lombardi, him and Brisebois are my two favourite choices.

The fact you never spell ridiculous correctly is even more shocking


I don't know who's voting on that but it lends itself to the notion Vancouver has the dumbest fans in all of the NHL, sorry if that offends anyone.
- LeftCoaster

Lol - you spell a word wrong on your IPhone once and it becomes an auto correct. 😡😡😡

Also agree on our fans, it’s rediculous

What’s with this fanbases inability to move on? Surprised Nonis didn’t make the list
- CanuckDon

It was crazy after Linden was hired and 1040 was going on about hiring Quinn. Not long after Quinn passed away. Guessing he wasn't in the best of health and they kept on asking TL if he would be interested in hiring Quinn?

The media don't know what's going on. They just try to report a good story without the research. all Disney story lines. stuff coming full circle.

IMO every GM eventually runs his course for a franchise, even the good ones like Lombardi, him and Brisebois are my two favourite choices.
- LeftCoaster

As the article stated the good and the bad with all the GM's. I don't think any GM is perfect. Some guys are draft guys, some are cap management, some are about the trades. JB is clearly a draft guy.

As the article stated the good and the bad with all the GM's. I don't think any GM is perfect. Some guys are draft guys, some are cap management, some are about the trades. JB is clearly a draft guy.
- manvanfan

You are out to lunch! JB is a media guy

You are out to lunch! JB is a media guy
- CanuckDon

Lol - you spell a word wrong on your IPhone once and it becomes an auto correct. 😡😡😡

Also agree on our fans, it’s rediculous
- CanuckDon

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How well does it go for the teams that get older? They do it because Vets are experienced. Most of those teams are already young and fast and can afford to have a slow vet. The game does become much more tight checking in the playoffs.

So what do the playoffs have to do with re-signing the Sedin's for the regular season?
- manvanfan

So you're in the cut-the-Sedins loose camp then? Just want to be clear.

Personally I do think they're too slow. However I also think adding 3 more rookies to your lineup in addition to Boeser and the other guys they have who are only in their 2nd or 3rd season sounds a lot like the Oilers model.

No thanks to two more Sam Gagners as well.

As was discussed quite thoroughly in the previous thread, they're probably going to be back for one more year due to a variety of factors. Whether we like it or not, might as well get used to the idea.

But today's twist thanks to Carol is the possibility they could move at the deadline. If they could be traded for some additional draft picks and prospects now, and still be re-signed in the summer, isn't that better? Again, not likely to happen, but it would be nice.

So you're in the cut-the-Sedins loose camp then? Just want to be clear.

Personally I do think they're too slow. However I also think adding 3 more rookies to your lineup in addition to Boeser and the other guys they have who are only in their 2nd or 3rd season sounds a lot like the Oilers model.

No thanks to two more Sam Gagners as well.

As was discussed quite thoroughly in the previous thread, they're probably going to be back for one more year due to a variety of factors. Whether we like it or not, might as well get used to the idea.

But today's twist thanks to Carol is the possibility they could move at the deadline. If they could be traded for some additional draft picks and prospects now, and still be re-signed in the summer, isn't that better? Again, not likely to happen, but it would be nice.
- YeOldTimer

I think they'll re-up for 1 more year, take it year by year. I'm ok with that plan myself and agree with your rationale.
If (big IF) they are moved at the TDL, I don't think they come back and i'm fine with that scenario too. I just think it's far far less likely to occur.

As the article stated the good and the bad with all the GM's. I don't think any GM is perfect. Some guys are draft guys, some are cap management, some are about the trades. JB is clearly a draft guy.
- manvanfan

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy", he missed on Virtanen and Juolevi is still up in the air, those are 6th and 5th overall picks.

burkie will take the sedins

I wouldnt doubt that actually

"Failing to draft well and develop those players also has a profound impact on the future of the franchise. That brings us to the worst teams in our ranking: the "Vancouver Canucks, Florida Panthers, Calgary Flames and Winnipeg Jets/Atlanta Thrashers.

The Canucks are right at the bottom, having whiffed on numerous first-round picks and traded others away, while finding precious few mid- to late-round gems. They were also hit with tragedy when Luc Bourdon, the 10th-overall pick in 2005, was killed in a motorcycle accident.

Vancouver has had the 21st best overall draft position in the league since 2005 and four top-10 picks, but they rank last in the league in terms of games played by picks and points generated. For some perspective, their draft picks have played just 2,086 games — 4,459 less than those of the Columbus Blue Jackets, who ranked first at 6,545."

http://nationalpost.com/s...later-rounds-of-nhl-draft



That's a year and a half old but very much still applies to our franchise.

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy", he missed on Virtanen and Juolevi is still up in the air, those are 6th and 5th overall picks.
- LeftCoaster

Someone posted a good article the other day. It featured an interview with Judd Brackett.

Basically mentioned how it’s a team effort with the draft, even first round picks. And how recently they’re incorporating analytics into recent drafts to go along with eye scouting. That could explain why the most recent draft class looks so promising.

I think a lot of us wanted a mix of both when Gillis was fired. We were all hoping that the team would hire a draft guru and a moneyball type of guy to work in tandem as GM/AGM. Looks like the Canucks are finally adopting that strategy after going from full moneyball to full “hockey guy” with the Gillis-Benning transition.

I’m guessing the change in philosophy happened some time over the past 8-12 months. Team went from paying a premium to acquire Gudbranso to offering him straight up for Demers, who the analytics crowd likes a lot. The UFA signings were reasonable after the overpayments in the past. The Horvat contract is solid.

If the new decision making process involves a nice mix of the eye test and analytics as a group management style like Toronto has then I’m on board with keeping Benning.

Someone posted a good article the other day. It featured an interview with Judd Brackett.

Basically mentioned how it’s a team effort with the draft, even first round picks. And how recently they’re incorporating analytics into recent drafts to go along with eye scouting. That could explain why the most recent draft class looks so promising.

I think a lot of us wanted a mix of both when Gillis was fired. We were all hoping that the team would hire a draft guru and a moneyball type of guy to work in tandem as GM/AGM. Looks like the Canucks are finally adopting that strategy after going from full moneyball to full “hockey guy” with the Gillis-Benning transition.

I’m guessing the change in philosophy happened some time over the past 8-12 months. Team went from paying a premium to acquire Gudbranso to offering him straight up for Demers, who the analytics crowd likes a lot. The UFA signings were reasonable after the overpayments in the past. The Horvat contract is solid.

If the new decision making process involves a nice mix of the eye test and analytics as a group management style like Toronto has then I’m on board with keeping Benning.
- Nucker101

I read the article on Brackett, good stuff. As for the apparent shift in their thought process, I see it, but I'm withholding judgement until I see it continue.

I read the article on Brackett, good stuff. As for the apparent shift in their thought process, I see it, but I'm withholding judgement until I see it continue.
- LeftCoaster

I'm in the same boat. We'll see how they handle this TDL and go from there.

IMO every GM eventually runs his course for a franchise, even the good ones like Lombardi, him and Brisebois are my two favourite choices.
- LeftCoaster

I like Lombardi . His scouts use to say his picks had to be a certain size and play a tough west coast game

Anyone else hear "Balls in a Bowl" by Donny and Moj today?

I have never laughed at anything they have said.... but t....

So you're in the cut-the-Sedins loose camp then? Just want to be clear.

Personally I do think they're too slow. However I also think adding 3 more rookies to your lineup in addition to Boeser and the other guys they have who are only in their 2nd or 3rd season sounds a lot like the Oilers model.

No thanks to two more Sam Gagners as well.

As was discussed quite thoroughly in the previous thread, they're probably going to be back for one more year due to a variety of factors. Whether we like it or not, might as well get used to the idea.

But today's twist thanks to Carol is the possibility they could move at the deadline. If they could be traded for some additional draft picks and prospects now, and still be re-signed in the summer, isn't that better? Again, not likely to happen, but it would be nice.
- YeOldTimer

They practiced today with Bo on their line to increase their trade value

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy", he missed on Virtanen and Juolevi is still up in the air, those are 6th and 5th overall picks.
- LeftCoaster

So you are reserving judgement but 21 year old JV was a miss. Same with 20 year old OJ who has never played an NHL game?

'It's not about first-round picks': Successful teams find gems in later rounds of NHL draft"

Literally the header of the article.

They practiced today with Bo on their line to increase their trade value
- VANTEL

All contenders need the Sedins. Consider them gone for a ransom!

So you are reserving judgement but 21 year old JV was a miss. Same with 20 year old OJ who has never played an NHL game?



Literally the header of the article.
- manvanfan

He said OJ is still up in the air, not a miss/bust.

The odds that JV will end up being as valuable as Nylander/Ehlers are slimmer with each passing year since that draft. If he doesn't show real NHL offensive ability by the end of next season then yeah, it's time to start calling that a bad pick. Probably too soon to say 100% right now.

We'd all be making fun of the JV pick if the Leafs or Flames chose him over those guys.

He said OJ is still up in the air, not a miss/bust.

The odds that JV will end up being as valuable as Nylander/Ehlers are slimmer with each passing year since that draft. If he doesn't show real NHL offensive ability by the end of next season then yeah, it's time to start calling that a bad pick. Probably too soon to say 100% right now.
- Nucker101