He said OJ is still up in the air, not a miss/bust.

The odds that JV will end up being as valuable as Nylander/Ehlers are slimmer with each passing year since that draft. If he doesn't show real NHL offensive ability by the end of next season then yeah, it's time to start calling that a bad pick. Probably too soon to say 100% right now.

We'd all be making fun of the JV pick if the Leafs or Flames chose him over those guys.
- Nucker101

But but you said he was just like Chris kreider lol

But but you said he was just like Chris kreider lol
- CanuckDon

No, I said that was a worst case scenario for him.

I would love to be able to even just test drive a Bugatti Chiron one day

That thing is a missile on wheels
- Nucker101

keep it away from richmond if you do someday

So you are reserving judgement but 21 year old JV was a miss. Same with 20 year old OJ who has never played an NHL game?



Literally the header of the article.
- manvanfan

No...I'm saying he missed on better players with Virtanen, I don't think that's debatable, at least at this point. It's not an exact science but he clearly could have selected better players at #6.

Juolevi is an unknown, just stating my opinion that he can hardly be declared a "draft guy" by you when we really don't know if he is or isn't at this point.

No...I'm saying he missed on better players with Virtanen, I don't think that's debatable, at least at this point. It's not an exact science but he clearly could have selected better players at #6.

Juolevi is an unknown, just stating my opinion that he can hardly be declared a "draft guy" by you when we really don't know if he is or isn't at this point.
- LeftCoaster

If you don't have something positive to say don't speak , don't you know the rules

If you don't have something positive to say don't speak , don't you know the rules
- VANTEL

It amazes me that people can declare someone like Benning a draft guy. You present evidence that this is an unproven fact but they still argue with you???

So does selecting Virtanen make him a draft guy? Personally I would consider the 2014 draft a success, it produced some NHL players for him, he managed to (frank) most of it away, but that's beside the point.

To me he's not proven to be a draft guy anymore than any other GM, at least at this point. Now if 2015, 2016 and 2017 turn out multiple guys in each draft, ok, "draft guy" might be right. Until then. I'll reserve judgement.

"Failing to draft well and develop those players also has a profound impact on the future of the franchise. That brings us to the worst teams in our ranking: the "Vancouver Canucks, Florida Panthers, Calgary Flames and Winnipeg Jets/Atlanta Thrashers.

The Canucks are right at the bottom, having whiffed on numerous first-round picks and traded others away, while finding precious few mid- to late-round gems. They were also hit with tragedy when Luc Bourdon, the 10th-overall pick in 2005, was killed in a motorcycle accident.

Vancouver has had the 21st best overall draft position in the league since 2005 and four top-10 picks, but they rank last in the league in terms of games played by picks and points generated. For some perspective, their draft picks have played just 2,086 games — 4,459 less than those of the Columbus Blue Jackets, who ranked first at 6,545."

http://nationalpost.com/s...later-rounds-of-nhl-draft



That's a year and a half old but very much still applies to our franchise.
- LeftCoaster

21st best draft position since 2005?... what about between 2005 and 2012? Not very good draft position. Its only recently been that we've had good draft position. Which means that less of our picks are old enough to judge as busts or not.
Fake news

21st best draft position since 2005... what about between 2005 and 2012? Not very good draft position. Its only recently that we've Gorton good draft position.
Fake news
- Pres.cup

I didn't write the article but they clearly were in the bottom half regarding draft position, however, other teams have been able to overcome that and still find players in the mid and late rounds to build a pool of players. Which is where the Canucks haven't been successful. This is not new news.

It's like debating over whether or not the sky is blue with some of you. If I say it's blue you'd argue that is not really blue, it only appears blue because of the optical window, you don't want anyone saying anything bad about your sky, true or false

I didn't write the article but they clearly were in the bottom half regarding draft position, however, other teams have been able to overcome that and still find players in the mid and late rounds to build a pool of players. Which is were the Canucks haven't been successful. This is not new news.
- LeftCoaster

The real question is why are you posting an article from the National Post that was written in 2016? That’s actually far more intriguing then the contents itself. Is Canadian news on a 2 year delay in the desert?

Negative, yet accurate or constructive news = fake news

The real question is why are you posting an article from the National Post that was written in 2016? That’s actually far more intriguing then the contents itself. Is Canadian news on a 2 year delay in the desert?
- CanuckDon

it takes awhile for things to get here, no question! I'm trying to relay my thoughts on the Canucks being better at finding players throughout the draft, top to bottom, which they've clearly been deficient at with almost every GM in their history.

Benning is the one guy who can't really be put into that conversation yet because he hasn't been here long enough. Selecting Boeser doesn't make him a "draft guy", many many GM's have found guys late in the first or even into the second and third rounds.

Bob Clarke and his staff found Giroux at #22 for the Flyers, is Bobby Clarke suddenly a great drafter? Bryan Murray found Getzlaf and Perry at #19 & #28, Peter Chiarelli found Lucic at #50 and Brad Marchand at #71, Nonis found Schneider at #26, Jay Feaster found Gaudreau in the 4th round, the list goes on and on for every team.

For me a clear pattern of success would have to evolve before I'd consider Benning a great drafter, not there yet.

Potential future roster given JB’s moves...
The lines r subject to scrutiny 😜👍

Sven Bo BB 2/3 JB todays top line
Dahlen EP LE 3/3 JB how Swede it IS
JV Gaudette Goldy 3/3 JB Speed to kill
Granny Sutter Gadjovich 3/3 JB Booya
Gagner/Gaunce

OJ Tanev
who knows yet 😜
Input at will lol

Demko
Marky

Add your draft picks to all of the above & really start to believe 👍👍

Well thats what we may look like in the next 2-3yrs under JB. That assumes no further UFA’s signed nor trades of significance an optimist would see in a positive light. Is that so horrible at this point in time with 2-3 more drafts to add?


Now speak up & be constructive instead of whining or citing ancient history if that potential is not interesting. Notice there is 5 draft picks & 4 players from trades & ONLY 2 UFA’s in that line-up which leaves just 1 other from the MG era BO albeit a key piece in the 4 lines. Says TURNOVER if nothing else from a stale and aged roster. That ignores what prospects to be drafted or potential TDL moves are yet to be made.

Is that a decent 2019-20 roster?
Will that be entertaining?
Does patience show those it is brighter future ahead if given the chance?
Do notice the turnover in a short time that JB has currently done whether good or bad.
Betting on revisionary pessimists to repond.
If wrong then constructive input is welcome

It amazes me that people can declare someone like Benning a draft guy. You present evidence that this is an unproven fact but they still argue with you???

So does selecting Virtanen make him a draft guy? Personally I would consider the 2014 draft a success, it produced some NHL players for him, he managed to (frank) most of it away, but that's beside the point.

To me he's not proven to be a draft guy anymore than any other GM, at least at this point. Now if 2015, 2016 and 2017 turn out multiple guys in each draft, ok, "draft guy" might be right. Until then. I'll reserve judgement.
- LeftCoaster

So he's not a draft guy but 2014 is a success in your mind. Even though he didn't pick the best player at 6OA. 2015 he clearly has hit a home run with his 23OA pick.

So you are going to reserve judgement even though you have judged him to not be a draft guy.

The air getting to you? Go home to your wife.

it takes awhile for things to get here, no question! I'm trying to relay my thoughts on the Canucks being better at finding players throughout the draft, top to bottom, which they've clearly been deficient at with almost every GM in their history.

Benning is the one guy who can't really be put into that conversation yet because he hasn't been here long enough. Selecting Boeser doesn't make him a "draft guy", many many GM's have found guys late in the first or even into the second and third rounds.

Bob Clarke and his staff found Giroux at #22 for the Flyers, is Bobby Clarke suddenly a great drafter? Bryan Murray found Getzlaf and Perry at #19 & #28, Peter Chiarelli found Lucic at #50 and Brad Marchand at #71, Nonis found Schneider at #26, Jay Feaster found Gaudreau in the 4th round, the list goes on and on for every team.

For me a clear pattern of success would have to evolve before I'd consider Benning a great drafter, not there yet.
- LeftCoaster

There are 31 GM's in the league. Of course he's not going to outclass himself from the other 30 professional GM's. The prospect pool went from around 30th in the league to what most pronman thinks is #7 or 9. Clearly a guy who is pretty good at drafting would be able to make the prospect pool better then a guy who wasn't like MG.

So he's not a draft guy but 2014 is a success in your mind. Even though he didn't pick the best player at 6OA. 2015 he clearly has hit a home run with his 23OA pick.

So you are going to reserve judgement even though you have judged him to not be a draft guy.

The air getting to you? Go home to your wife.
- manvanfan

you really aren't getting this. I never said he's not a draft guy, I said thats yet to be determined.

There are 31 GM's in the league. Of course he's not going to outclass himself from the other 30 professional GM's. The prospect pool went from around 30th in the league to what most pronman thinks is #7 or 9. Clearly a guy who is pretty good at drafting would be able to make the prospect pool better then a guy who wasn't like MG.
- manvanfan

It's pretty easy to make your prospect pool better when A) you're left with nothing and B) you continually finish at or near the bottom of the league.

Boeser was clearly a great pick, but like I said, every GM has one of those, could've just been luck.

Potential future roster given JB’s moves...
The lines r subject to scrutiny 😜👍

Sven Bo BB 2/3 JB todays top line
Dahlen EP LE 3/3 JB how Swede it IS
JV Gaudette Goldy 3/3 JB Speed to kill
Granny Sutter Gadjovich 3/3 JB Booya
Gagner/Gaunce

OJ Tanev
who knows yet 😜
Input at will lol

Demko
Marky

Add your draft picks to all of the above & really start to believe 👍👍

Well thats what we may look like in the next 2-3yrs under JB. That assumes no further UFA’s signed nor trades of significance an optimist would see in a positive light. Is that so horrible at this point in time with 2-3 more drafts to add?


Now speak up & be constructive instead of whining or citing ancient history if that potential is not interesting. Notice there is 5 draft picks & 4 players from trades & ONLY 2 UFA’s in that line-up which leaves just 1 other from the MG era BO albeit a key piece in the 4 lines. Says TURNOVER if nothing else from a stale and aged roster. That ignores what prospects to be drafted or potential TDL moves are yet to be made.

Is that a decent 2019-20 roster?
Will that be entertaining?
Does patience show those it is brighter future ahead if given the chance?
Do notice the turnover in a short time that JB has currently done whether good or bad.
Betting on revisionary pessimists to repond.
If wrong then constructive input is welcome
- Nighthawk

you really aren't getting this. I never said he's not a draft guy, I said thats yet to be determined.
- LeftCoaster

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy"

Does that look like a person who is saying we will wait and see if JB is a draft guy? To me it sounds like a guy who is saying he isn't. Then proceeds to say he missed on a 6OA but it's easy to make the draft pool better when you always draft high. Don't forget the OJ pick is up in the air.

If you can make a few more statements that go against what you said on the previous page.

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy"

Does that look like a person who is saying we will wait and see if JB is a draft guy? Then proceeds to say he missed on a 6OA but it's easy to make the draft pool better when you always draft high. Don't forget the OJ pick is up in the air.

If you can make a few more statements that go against what you said on the previous page.
- manvanfan

you need a job, you just like to argue like someone else we know for the sake of arguing. I said...

"Benning is the one guy who can't really be put into that conversation yet because he hasn't been here long enough"

I have a job. I work a ton. I made the initial statement that I thought he was a draft guy then you claimed that he can't be called a draft guy. Who was arguing with who?
- manvanfan

I meant go to work, my bad. We'll just agree to disagree, you think hes a draft guy and I dont think theres enough evidence or time to determine that yet.

I don't see any evidence to suggest Benning is definitely a "draft guy"

Does that look like a person who is saying we will wait and see if JB is a draft guy? To me it sounds like a guy who is saying he isn't. Then proceeds to say he missed on a 6OA but it's easy to make the draft pool better when you always draft high. Don't forget the OJ pick is up in the air.

If you can make a few more statements that go against what you said on the previous page.
- manvanfan

Your reading comprehension is extremely poor, he said it was too soon to say whether JB can be considered a 'draft guy'.
You are like NuckFU, arguing for arguments sake.

I meant go to work, my bad. We'll just agree to disagree, you think hes a draft guy and I don't think theres enough evidence or time to determine that yet.
- LeftCoaster

I don't know if my company will allow me to work anymore. I already work over 200 hours of OT a year. Sometimes closer to 300 .

I think from Jim's 4 drafts the signs show him to be one. Maybe not the most NHL ready prospects as some GM's choose. I think TL said it best about Jim


“Jim has always been of the mind that, at heart, he’s a guy that has a team-building mindset,” Linden added. “He’s going to continue to have his eye on the future, and that’ll be no different as we head into deadline.”

Can't believe no one has posted this yet. Geez what is the matter you, you goof balls.

https://dailyhive.com/van...r-candidates-canucks-2018

6 would be fricken awesome. I think 5 could certainly do a decent job too.

My first choice is still JB resigning.
- manvanfan

May as well considering what is out there. Benning deserves a shot to finish his vision IMO.

Your reading comprehension is extremely poor, he said it was too soon to say whether JB can be considered a 'draft guy'.
You are like NuckFU, arguing for arguments sake.
- Marwood

I made a claim and in his own opinion, he said I couldn't make that claim. He provided me with evidence to suggest that he is and isn't a draft guy. For him the juror is still not out. For me the evidence shows that JB is a draft guy.

I have no ill will towards Lefty that he has reserved judgement on JB being a draft guy.

I also have a different opinion that he choose to disagree with.

Although Flames winger Micheal Ferland has emerged as a top-six winger this season, Calgary could still be on the lookout for winger help between now and the trade deadline. In an appearance on Sportsnet 960, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman suggested (audio link) that Ottawa’s Mike Hoffman is a player that they’re at least keeping tabs on, calling them a team on the periphery. Hoffman would certainly add another offensive threat on the wing but he also has two years remaining on his contract at a cap hit just below $5.2MM. With Calgary needing to re-sign or bring in replacements for several key players in that timeframe (including goalie Mike Smith, center Mikael Backlund, winger Matthew Tkachuk as well as Ferland himself), there’s no guarantee that they’ll want to take on someone signed for a couple more years at this time even if Hoffman would fit in well with what they need.

Sorry that's long but could Van get their 2nd back in Rasmus Andersson for Vanek?