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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
Who has seen Brent Burns in leaf underwear give a rear naked choke to a sasquatch in jack links commercial?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jan 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
Henrik is 79th in the NHL in points per 60 mins at 5v5 amongst all regular forwards.

You're a smart man, Donny, do the math. He's still easily a top 6 player offensively in the NHL by those numbers.



Remember when the Canucks used players like Wellwood, Hodgson, Demitra, Bernier, Torres in 3rd line roles while Kesler/Henrik/Malhotra played harder mins? That's the exact role they'd play, and they'd probably do better at it offensively than some of those guys did.

- Nucker101

Sheltered minutes, cushy PP assignments and offensive zone starts. They are decent players but they aren't top 6 on a playoff team. Do you really want the Sedin's in your bottom 6 getting defensive assignments in the playoffs? Agree to disagree.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
Sheltered minutes, cushy PP assignments and offensice zone starts. They are decent players but they aren't top 6 on a playoff team. Do you really want the Sedin't in your bottom 6 getting defensive assignments in the playoffs? Agree to disagree.
- CanuckDon

According to Href ozone starts for Daniel and Henrik is 74.6% That's highest in the league i believe.
CanuckDon
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Jan 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
Lol what model?
- Codes1087

A 330I
PepinoPamplemousse
Carolina Hurricanes
Joined: 01.18.2009

Jan 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
Sheltered minutes, cushy PP assignments and offensice zone starts. They are decent players but they aren't top 6 on a playoff team. Do you really want the Sedin't in your bottom 6 getting defensive assignments in the playoffs? Agree to disagree.
- CanuckDon


You could just not give them defensive assignments...
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
You could just not give them defensive assignments...
- PepinoPamplemousse

Don't you want your top players starting in the O zone?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
According to Href ozone starts for Daniel and Henrik is 74.6% That's highest in the league i believe.
- manvanfan

Thank you for doing the research for me
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:55 PM ET
Are all 5 million people with BMW's dbags? It's a mid level car. What do you think about people with Porches and Lambos?
- CanuckDon



M3's
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:55 PM ET
Thank you for doing the research for me
- CanuckDon

I had noticed it yesterday. Technically anyone who has played half the games Ryan Spooner is higher. He's only played 24 games though.

4th and 5th is Sergachev and Tarasenko.
PepinoPamplemousse
Carolina Hurricanes
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Jan 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
Don't you want your top players starting in the O zone?
- CanuckDon


Depends how your team is structured. I guess the Canes are a bit different in that the majority of their forwards are two-way or primarily defensive guys anyway.
CanuckDon
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Jan 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
M3's
- Nucker101

I love M3's but I would lose my license in a week
CanuckDon
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Jan 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
Depends how your team is structured. I guess the Canes are a bit different in that the majority of their forwards are two-way or primarily defensive guys anyway.
- PepinoPamplemousse

We don't have 2-way players
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
Sheltered minutes, cushy PP assignments and offensive zone starts. They are decent players but they aren't top 6 on a playoff team. Do you really want the Sedin's in your bottom 6 getting defensive assignments in the playoffs? Agree to disagree.
- CanuckDon


Yeah, like I said, it has to be on a team where they have a legit top line already and another line that handles tough minutes. Those 2 lines would do the heavy lifting.

1st line would play against other team's top pairings

2nd line would have to be a Kesler/Backlund type of line that can score and play against other top lines

3rd line would be the Sedins, used in a similar fashion that AV did with his 3rd lines

4th line = another checking line
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
Depends how your team is structured. I guess the Canes are a bit different in that the majority of their forwards are two-way or primarily defensive guys anyway.
- PepinoPamplemousse

This.

Canes are one of the teams that could easily give the Sedins sheltered mins + 2nd unit PP time and their team would benefit from it.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
I had noticed it yesterday. Technically anyone who has played half the games Ryan Spooner is higher. He's only played 24 games though.

4th and 5th is Sergachev and Tarasenko.

- manvanfan

It makes sense if you have one dominant offensive player like Tarasenko....but the Sedin's aren't our top offensive players but they always get preferential treatment. That would stop on a good team.
manvanfan
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Jan 19 @ 5:58 PM ET
Depends how your team is structured. I guess the Canes are a bit different in that the majority of their forwards are two-way or primarily defensive guys anyway.
- PepinoPamplemousse

It's structured that Daniel and Henrik get 75% of ozone starts.

Brendan Gaunce is 86% Dzone starts. Highest in the league. Sutter 72%
Nucker101
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Jan 19 @ 5:59 PM ET
I love M3's but I would lose my license in a week
- CanuckDon


I would love to be able to even just test drive a Bugatti Chiron one day

That thing is a missile on wheels
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 6:00 PM ET
It's structured that Daniel and Henrik get 75% of ozone starts.

Brendan Gaunce is 86% Dzone starts. Highest in the league. Sutter 72%

- manvanfan


Yeah, their numbers are definitely inflated with those o-zone starts. But even if cut that back to 60%, they'd still produce offensively as an offensive 3rd line for a good team.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 6:00 PM ET
Yeah, like I said, it has to be on a team where they have a legit top line already and another line that handles tough minutes. Those 2 lines would do the heavy lifting.

1st line would play against other team's top pairings

2nd line would have to be a Kesler/Backlund type of line that can score and play against other top lines

3rd line would be the Sedins, used in a similar fashion that AV did with his 3rd lines

4th line = another checking line

- Nucker101

Yes, I understand what you are saying and it could be possible there is a fit out there...I just have trouble seeing a team finding space for them. If we could retain salary on both perhaps it would be a different story. Perhaps if a top team loses a key offensive player for the season that could create a market for them.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 6:01 PM ET
Yes, I understand what you are saying and it could be possible there is a fit out there...I just have trouble seeing a team finding space for them. If we could retain salary on both perhaps it would be a different story. Perhaps if a top team loses a key offensive player for the season that could create a market for them.
- CanuckDon


Agreed.

I'd be shocked if they go anywhere. And there's very few teams that they'd fit in nicely with. And of those few teams, barely any have that kind of cap space.
CanuckDon
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Jan 19 @ 6:02 PM ET
I would love to be able to even just test drive a Bugatti Chiron one day

That thing is a missile on wheels

- Nucker101

1500 hp I was supposed to be at the Barret Jackson this week
Nucker101
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Jan 19 @ 6:04 PM ET
1500 hp I was supposed to be at the Barret Jackson this week
- CanuckDon



god (frank)ing damn
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 6:08 PM ET
Yeah, their numbers are definitely inflated with those o-zone starts. But even if cut that back to 60%, they'd still produce offensively as an offensive 3rd line for a good team.
- Nucker101

I think you look at a team like VGK and NJ. Dank and Hank would be like 6th in scoring on VGK and 2nd and 3rd on NJ. It's really not about the numbers anymore if it isn't done with speed.

Look at Jagr 46 points last season. Would of had 30ish points this season playing limited minutes in Calgary over an entire season. Now being sent away.

The game has just passed them by.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 19 @ 6:09 PM ET


My truck is worth more
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 19 @ 6:10 PM ET
I think you look at a team like VGK and NJ. Dank and Hank would be like 6th in scoring on VGK and 2nd and 3rd on NJ. It's really not about the numbers anymore if it isn't done with speed.

Look at Jagr 46 points last season. Would of had 30ish points this season playing limited minutes in Calgary over an entire season. Now being sent away.

The game has just passed them by.

- manvanfan

I agree, they are fine on our team because we have low expectations and nobody else but I don't think they belong in the playoffs at this stage. Time to retire fellas, thanks for the fond memories

You are welcome Vantel
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