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- homiedclown

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Wow, you are touchy about this

We're not gonna sit here and compare the two's ability to score in the NHL today right
- TheSabresTaco

Wasnt planning on it no

If Alex knew anything about hockey, he'd rather have Kane than Maroon, especially if we can absorb salary.
- TheSabresTaco

Pretty sure Alex is Canadian, so he probably knows hockey or at least thinks he does.

The maroon comparison wasn't apples to apples

He plays LW and could be traded. Probably for less than kane. Who knows

I'm not debating that. I'm pointing out that 8 years of history presents Kane in a much different light than the last 18 months.



A smart GM doesn't look at the past 18 months and say "that's the real Kane!" any more than a GM should look at the last 12 games and say "that's the real Kane!"

The real Kane is the guy who hit 30 goals once, averages 19.6 goals a year and was having a nice year until he lost his center.
- jcragcrumple

Pretty sure Alex is Canadian, so he probably knows hockey or at least thinks he does.

The maroon comparison wasn't apples to apples

He plays LW and could be traded. Probably for less than kane. Who knows
- Boss34

Maroon can be compared to Green, Brown, White, Black, and, to a lesser extent, silfverberg.

I'm not debating that. I'm pointing out that 8 years of history presents Kane in a much different light than the last 18 months.



A smart GM doesn't look at the past 18 months and say "that's the real Kane!" any more than a GM should look at the last 12 games and say "that's the real Kane!"

The real Kane is the guy who hit 30 goals once, averages 19.6 goals a year and was having a nice year until he lost his center.
- jcragcrumple

Fake News as already been debunked. It's 26.something/82. Fancy Stats always go by /60, so we must go by /82. Also you write a post about not cherry picking stats, then use data from 6-9 years ago (as well as current, I'll give you that) to present your claim.

Fake News as already been debunked.
- SDSabre

Care to elaborate?

Care to elaborate?
- jcragcrumple

I will argue til I'm blue that a per 82 game measure of how someone scores is a better indicator because you can't with 100% accuracy tell me he won't play them all. You can guess by the way he plays that he MIGHT get injured, but that would actually raise his value to some GM. If I'm a GM, I'll take the -10 games a year for someone that scores more, plays with more fire (fast, heavy, unafraid to throw hits and knuckles) for a player that will play 82, but not do any of the above, and most likely score less. That's why.

Yea, he really does.
- SABRES 89

There is a reason botts turned down 2 firsts for him


He doesn't want to wait 6 years to be good

Fake News as already been debunked. It's 26.something/82. Fancy Stats always go by /60, so we must go by /82. Also you write a post about not cherry picking stats, then use data from 6-9 years ago (as well as current, I'll give you that) to present your claim.
- SDSabre

It's not fake news just because we're viewing the data through different lenses.

You're viewing the data through a PPG lens

I'm averaging the data over his seasons. Both of these things are true. It is not fake news. You're disregarding his injury history by viewing his career through PPG.

Look at his history in contract years, it's earily similar to Stafford's 30g season.

I will argue til I'm blue that a per 82 game measure of how someone scores is a better indicator because you can't with 100% accuracy tell me he won't play them all. You can guess by the way he plays that he MIGHT get injured, but that would actually raise his value to some GM. If I'm a GM, I'll take the -10 games a year for someone that scores more, plays with more fire (fast, heavy, unafraid to throw hits and knuckles) for a player that will play 82, but not do any of the above, and most likely score less. That's why.
- SDSabre

He's never, ever, ever played a full season. in fact this year only 35 skaters are on pace to play a full 82 game season.

so might not be able to tell you with 100% accuracy, but we're looking at something like 99 here.


Edit: this hasn't updated so probably closer to 55-60

I will argue til I'm blue that a per 82 game measure of how someone scores is a better indicator because you can't with 100% accuracy tell me he won't play them all. You can guess by the way he plays that he MIGHT get injured, but that would actually raise his value to some GM. If I'm a GM, I'll take the -10 games a year for someone that scores more, plays with more fire (fast, heavy, unafraid to throw hits and knuckles) for a player that will play 82, but not do any of the above, and most likely score less. That's why.
- SDSabre

I think PPG is a more useful tool on players who routinely play close to a full season. Kane misses large swaths of time each year, which should be factored into his valuation

There is a reason botts turned down 2 firsts for him


He doesn't want to wait 6 years to be good
- homiedclown

What ? I meant Granderson

He's never, ever, ever played a full season. in fact this year only 35 skaters are on pace to play a full 82 game season.

so might not be able to tell you with 100% accuracy, but we're looking at something like 99 here.
- Sabresfan-365

And Evander Kane as of right now, is one of them.

Maroon can be compared to Green, Brown, White, Black, and, to a lesser extent, silfverberg.
- Khmylev

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And Evander Kane as of right now, is one of them.
- SDSabre

but you are using data to come up with goals per 82 games in seasons where he never hit that.

you mean that list that has maroon ahead of Hoffman and Pacioretty? wouldn't put much stock into that.


Edit: Also has Zack Smith ahead of James neal


The list is more about who's most likely to get dealt not in terms of talent otherwise it's the worst trade list in the history of trade lists.
- Sabresfan-365

He's up that high because he's a value contract and a realistic chance of actually being traded.

I think PPG is a more useful tool on players who routinely play close to a full season. Kane misses large swaths of time each year, which should be factored into his valuation
- jcragcrumple

Hasn't missed time this year. His shoulder kept him out for parts of two seasons. Idk about his early career, but is it possible that some of his time not in the NHL was in the A or in the press box when he could have been playing? Again, Idk about that, and admittedly trying to see why he's been out each stint.

I will argue til I'm blue that a per 82 game measure of how someone scores is a better indicator because you can't with 100% accuracy tell me he won't play them all. You can guess by the way he plays that he MIGHT get injured, but that would actually raise his value to some GM. If I'm a GM, I'll take the -10 games a year for someone that scores more, plays with more fire (fast, heavy, unafraid to throw hits and knuckles) for a player that will play 82, but not do any of the above, and most likely score less. That's why.
- SDSabre

I'm sure gm's take that into account, not sure if that raises his value though?

And isn't this the point you were arguing against?

He's up that high because he's a value contract and a realistic chance of actually being traded.
- Reveen.

That doesn't make him better than Hoffman and Pacioretty

Hasn't missed time this year. His shoulder kept him out for parts of two seasons. Idk about his early career, but is it possible that some of his time not in the NHL was in the A or in the press box when he could have been playing? Again, Idk about that, and admittedly trying to see why he's been out each stint.
- SDSabre

This is the crux of my argument. This year is an outlier in terms of games played.

That doesn't make him better than Hoffman and Pacioretty
- Sabresfan-365

I dont think thats what the TSN list implies

but you are using data to come up with goals per 82 games in seasons where he never hit that.
- Sabresfan-365

He's on his current pace for his career this year not being injured. And yes, I would use that metric for all players. You draw the line somewhere when saying that a guy misses time. But what is that line. If he misses 2 games, it's prolly not a big deal. I'm not saying he's done that, but I'm asking you to define your line, but then thinking what line is that for a GM? And do they take into account that he plays like his hair is on fire when these injuries occurred? Again, I think it's a better example then raw numbers.

I dont think thats what the TSN list implies
- Reveen.

Thats what the poster was implying when he referenced it re: kane is the "prize"

What ? I meant Granderson
- SABRES 89

The injured left wing that suffocates jack