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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 8:54 PM ET
if you have 2 centers in their 20's and you are paying them 17.5 mil per


you damn sure better be advancing in playoffs


not picking in the top 8

- homiedclown



We would be...
if we had a better team around them!

Lehner doesn’t match up to most playoff goalies

Kane & Okposo don’t match up to a lot of teams best wingers

And what’s worse in comparison to playoff teams...
our defense or scoring depth
Both SUCK


Put the blame where it lies
Not on the players we have who are actually good

And u still haven’t said how much ROR is overpaid?
What is it with u guys not answering easy direct questions?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:54 PM ET
O qua tangin wann
- homiedclown


Agreed.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 8:55 PM ET
O qua tangin wann
- homiedclown


Idk what that means
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 8:55 PM ET
JESUS CHRIST no!..
LOL, I reference two areas of improvement for Jack, that being the 2nd (the 1st was backcheck) and holy Christopher I was mocked worse than Hilary Clinton trying to blamr Trump and the Russians for the election.
(Ok maybe, just maybe I took that too far)

HATS OFF TO YOU for being among the first to recognize he can, and will improve.

- IonSabres


I know I called you out on the fact you wanted him to improve by like 10% in 1 season.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 8:55 PM ET
Why can’t u answer the question?

Before, u were saying a “B” prospect & maybe a first

What’s Kane worth now that his value has been dropping for 2 weeks?

Just answer it

- jdfitz77



I laughed at 1st, b prospect , roster player and conditional pick. For a rental.

I laughed at the "on going negotiations". No way the pagula's want to give him 7 x 7.

I have mentioned that he brings trouble and that in a league full of non trouble makers, why sign him?

Someone told me danny heatley killed his passenger and that I caused trouble when I was his age.

You said his value is UP. how much more is he worth now?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 8:55 PM ET


Put the blame where it lies
Not on the players we have who are actually good

And u still haven’t said how much ROR is overpaid?
What is it with u guys not answering easy direct questions?

- jdfitz77

I don't know of any second line centers making 7.5 mil and the team is missing the playoffs


at a glance, he should be making 5.5 to 6 per, cap wise IMO based on what he has brought over the years to the sabres


cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:56 PM ET
We would be...
if we had a better team around them!

Lehner doesn’t match up to most playoff goalies

Kane & Okposo don’t match up to a lot of teams best wingers

And what’s worse in comparison to playoff teams...
our defense or scoring depth
Both SUCK


Put the blame where it lies
Not on the players we have who are actually good

And u still haven’t said how much ROR is overpaid?
What is it with u guys not answering easy direct questions?

- jdfitz77

Me think ROR is overpaid by 1.5m . If the whole team contributed in the goal scoring we would have a higher GF rating . Win a bunch more game , Lehner would look a whole lot better with wins in his favor. ..etc etc
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:57 PM ET
I don't know of any second line centers making 7.5 mil and the team is missing the playoffs


at a glance, he should be making 5.5 to 6 per, cap wise IMO based on what he has brought over the years to the sabres

- homiedclown

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 8:57 PM ET
Idk what that means
- jdfitz77

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 8:57 PM ET
http://teamusa.usahockey.com/page/show/3858372-2018-owg-u-s-men-s-roster#
- Wetbandit1


Well i sure hope we add some guys to that mess

Yikes
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 8:58 PM ET

- cabin

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:00 PM ET
I laughed at 1st, b prospect , roster player and conditional pick. For a rental.

I laughed at the "on going negotiations". No way the pagula's want to give him 7 x 7.

I have mentioned that he brings trouble and that in a league full of non trouble makers, why sign him?

Someone told me danny heatley killed his passenger and that I caused trouble when I was his age.

You said his value is UP. how much more is he worth now?

- Boss34


I’ve asked u about 5 times now...

U said he’s worth a “B” prospect and maybe a 1st before

So what’s he worth NOW,
since u CONSTANTLY say his value is dropping

Answer... the... question...
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 9:00 PM ET
I don't know of any second line centers making 7.5 mil and the team is missing the playoffs


at a glance, he should be making 5.5 to 6 per, cap wise IMO based on what he has brought over the years to the sabres

- homiedclown



I agree with ror being overpaid by 1-1.5ish million, but I think you have to account for the "buffalo exchange rate"

We can't have nice things here for the going rate.
We haven't been in the playoffs in 7 years.

Ror had to see the tank slowly creeping down notingham terrace towards his front door
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:01 PM ET
I think the trade talks have gotten to Kane . hasn't shown any interest like a month ago. And ROR seems like he was booted from the top club with Jack running with it. Sam seems to be following behind Jack Maybe they had some talks and its working for Sam. It surely is showing on the ice. Really think Sam felt like a step child after JAck came here.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:01 PM ET
Go 0:19

https://youtu.be/rV7WF5VVwuo
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:01 PM ET

- homiedclown

Saw that on twitter that game . Laughed my ass off.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 9:01 PM ET
I’ve asked u about 5 times now...

U said he’s worth a “B” prospect and maybe a 1st before

So what’s he worth NOW,
since u CONSTANTLY say his value is dropping

Answer... the... question...

- jdfitz77


Less
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:03 PM ET
He was paid 9m this season and will be paid 8.5m next season

Then 6m each year for the next 4 years

- cabin


Yeah, we can only hold $500K if we were to trade him. I don't think you can hold bonus money. And ROR only makes $1M a year, the rest are bonuses.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:03 PM ET
I don't know of any second line centers making 7.5 mil and the team is missing the playoffs


at a glance, he should be making 5.5 to 6 per, cap wise IMO based on what he has brought over the years to the sabres

- homiedclown



Ok... so let’s say it’s the full 2mil that he’s overpaid

1) what could/should we be doing with that 2mil to make us better?

Or

2) how can we be better spending that full 7.5mil?

Can we get a “Kucherov” for that?
If so... great

If it’s 2 average guys...
i don’t see how that gets us where we wanna go?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:03 PM ET
Go 0:19

https://youtu.be/rV7WF5VVwuo

- Der Kaiser

cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:05 PM ET
Yeah, we can only hold $500K if we were to trade him. I don't think you can hold bonus money. And ROR only makes $1M a year, the rest are bonuses.
- Wetbandit1


Nice bone us

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/sabres/salary
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:06 PM ET
This year?
Or over say the last 3 or 4
40 games is way too small a sample size
ESP when one player is on a good team & another is on a horrible one
And the gap is MASSIVE
Perrault wouldn’t even make it to camp for Team Canada
Meanwhile, O’Reilly was starting for them
There’s a reason for that
ROR is good
Perrault is average


Also...
what are we getting if we trade ROR?
If it’s just a 2nd pair defenseman, then why overpay with ROR?
We just traded Foligno & Ennis for one

- jdfitz77


To be fair ROR was an injury replacement.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:07 PM ET
Nice bone us

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/sabres/salary

- cabin


I'm not entirely sure on that, and don't really feel like sifting through the CBA right now, but I know that for buyouts it only counts salary.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 25 @ 9:09 PM ET
I'm not entirely sure on that, and don't really feel like sifting through the CBA right now, but I know that for buyouts it only counts salary.
- Wetbandit1



It was written as a buyout-proof contract. Why even worry about that now though? He's producing like a 2C.

There are many problems on this team - secondary scoring is a big one. Why pick problems with productive players?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:09 PM ET
I'm not entirely sure on that, and don't really feel like sifting through the CBA right now, but I know that for buyouts it only counts salary.
- Wetbandit1

I don't want ya too.

Have a beer .. Cheers
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