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cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:11 PM ET
gonna go the to the wire ?

http://fantasy.hockeybuzz.com/hbsl/boxscore/620
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM ET
gonna go the to the wire ?

http://fantasy.hockeybuzz.com/hbsl/boxscore/620

- cabin

http://fantasy.hockeybuzz.com/hbsl/boxscore/4143
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM ET
Damn still on the hook for Cody for 5 more years WTF
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:14 PM ET
http://fantasy.hockeybuzz.com/hbsl/boxscore/4143
- homiedclown

Damn

Cheers Bud
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:14 PM ET
Look at his career time on ice.

He’s never come close to 20 min a game, yet still produces close to the same as O’Reilly in terms of efficiency.

You like basic stats and look at nothing beyond

- sbroads24


Sure, but the Jets score a poop load of goals even when they were bad. The Sabres? Not so much.

They've already got 51 more goals than the Sabres this year. Basically a goal a game more.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 25 @ 9:15 PM ET
Ok... so let’s say it’s the full 2mil that he’s overpaid

1) what could/should we be doing with that 2mil to make us better?

Or

2) how can we be better spending that full 7.5mil?

Can we get a “Kucherov” for that?
If so... great

If it’s 2 average guys...
i don’t see how that gets us where we wanna go?

- jdfitz77



The bottom line is ROR is productive. Here's the money that is working:

10 - Eichel
7.5 - ROR
6- Okposo
5.5 - Risto

I agree that Okposo isn't a core piece, but even so, that's 29 mil for next year. Projected cap is 78-82 mil. Fiddle with the 50 mil that sucks.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM ET
Less
- Boss34


Can u be less vague?

You’re making it seem like his value is plummeting

But at any rate...
since i actually respond when some asks me a direct question

I think we will do better than a “B” prospect and a 1st

When i said his value was “up”
It was based on the demand for the “best guy available on the market”
The reason i believe there was/is high demand for him is bc Botts raised the price

If his value was dropping,
it would’ve made zero since for Botts to raise the asking price

None of what I’m saying means i think we will get all of what Botts is asking for
But it’s still a good idea for him to do so

U can’t get Hall for Larson, or Forsberg for Erat unless u try for it

In the words of Dreger (on the Kane asking price going up),
“You can’t get what you don’t ask for”
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:17 PM ET
The bottom line is ROR is productive. Here's the money that is working:

10 - Eichel
7.5 - ROR
6- Okposo
5.5 - Risto

I agree that Okposo isn't a core piece, but even so, that's 29 mil for next year. Projected cap is 78-82 mil. Fiddle with the 50 mil that sucks.

- jcragcrumple

Thats not too bad . Still with ROR was at the 53.5-6 range.
Okposo , now that he is healthy is fitting in nice. And plays well with Jack
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 9:19 PM ET
Thats not too bad . Still with ROR was at the 53.5-6 range.
Okposo , now that he is healthy is fitting in nice. And plays well with Jack

- cabin

http://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/group/1
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:20 PM ET
I just can't get over the fact that you think his value is UP. If he was playing well , his value would be higher.

So maybe when kane was super hot and people on here thought he was irreplaceable and better than Jack his value was higher. Even to the sabres. He was scoring .


Now he's leveled off and so has his value. It's not like he's just had a bad few games. It's a month or so now. He just isn't noticeable as he was early in the season.

- Boss34


The thing is once/if you have teams bidding against each other his last 15 games are largely irrelevant unless there was a catastrophic injury. His "value" is what another team is willing to pay, so his value could be inflated because there are multiple teams increasing their offer.

We know who Kane is at this point. He's in his 9th year. There are no more surprises in his game. He's going through an uncharacteristically bad stretch on a bad team. Is it "raising" his value, I doubt it, but it's also not taking the hit you seem to believe it is either, and the kicker is we'll never know.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:20 PM ET
I missed what Marchand was suspended for...

Anyone have a clip?

It’s about time that scumbag missed some games

F the Bruins
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:21 PM ET
http://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/group/1
- homiedclown

We aint first . but we aint last
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 25 @ 9:21 PM ET
http://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/group/1
- homiedclown



McDavid and Draisaitl eat up over 20 million and the oilers suck. Should they trade them?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:21 PM ET
I missed what Marchand was suspended for...

Anyone have a clip?

It’s about time that scumbag missed some time

- jdfitz77

Crazy elbow. heard about it . a clip would be good
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM ET
no but some are suggesting we drop ror to the 3rd line when/if we are good

never heard of a 3rd line center making 7.5 per

- homiedclown


Kessel's a 3rd line winger(wingers inherently make less money than centers) making $8M.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM ET
Yeah, we can only hold $500K if we were to trade him. I don't think you can hold bonus money. And ROR only makes $1M a year, the rest are bonuses.
- Wetbandit1


That's not accurate. Retained Salary can include bonuses.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM ET
Sure, but the Jets score a poop load of goals even when they were bad. The Sabres? Not so much.

They've already got 51 more goals than the Sabres this year. Basically a goal a game more.

- Wetbandit1


But why would the ROR haters take that into account?
It doesn’t fit their narrative
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:23 PM ET
Kessel's a 3rd line winger(wingers inherently make less money than centers) making $8M.
- Wetbandit1

We should have grabbed that fat bastard Kessler if we could.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 9:24 PM ET
The bottom line is ROR is productive. Here's the money that is working:

10 - Eichel
7.5 - ROR
6- Okposo
5.5 - Risto

I agree that Okposo isn't a core piece, but even so, that's 29 mil for next year. Projected cap is 78-82 mil. Fiddle with the 50 mil that sucks.

- jcragcrumple


Well put with the fiddle with the bottom guys, but okposo and eichel have been playing pretty well together.

They could be kutchorov and stamkos
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:25 PM ET
We should have grabbed that fat bastard Kessler if we could.
- Der Kaiser


Specially now with the mcdonadls bacon mcdouble for 2 bucks . mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:26 PM ET
To be fair ROR was an injury replacement.
- Wetbandit1


Ok,
But he played really well for them

And I’d bet anything that they didn’t even think to consider Perrault for that spot on Team Canada
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:26 PM ET
Well put with the fiddle with the bottom guys, but okposo and eichel have been playing pretty well together.

They could be kutchorov and stamkos

- Boss34


Poso getting a healthy game has done wonders.

I really hope this team plays tonight like they did last game .
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 9:26 PM ET
Can u be less vague?

You’re making it seem like his value is plummeting

But at any rate...
since i actually respond when some asks me a direct question

I think we will do better than a “B” prospect and a 1st

When i said his value was “up”
It was based on the demand for the “best guy available on the market”
The reason i believe there was/is high demand for him is bc Botts raised the price

If his value was dropping,
it would’ve made zero since for Botts to raise the asking price

None of what I’m saying means i think we will get all of what Botts is asking for
But it’s still a good idea for him to do so

U can’t get Hall for Larson, or Forsberg for Erat unless u try for it

In the words of Dreger (on the Kane asking price going up),
“You can’t get what you don’t ask for”

- jdfitz77


To answer your question directly:




I could probably be less vague.


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:27 PM ET
The bottom line is ROR is productive. Here's the money that is working:

10 - Eichel
7.5 - ROR
6- Okposo
5.5 - Risto

I agree that Okposo isn't a core piece, but even so, that's 29 mil for next year. Projected cap is 78-82 mil. Fiddle with the 50 mil that sucks.

- jcragcrumple


Makes sense to me
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 25 @ 9:28 PM ET
The thing is once/if you have teams bidding against each other his last 15 games are largely irrelevant unless there was a catastrophic injury. His "value" is what another team is willing to pay, so his value could be inflated because there are multiple teams increasing their offer.

We know who Kane is at this point. He's in his 9th year. There are no more surprises in his game. He's going through an uncharacteristically bad stretch on a bad team. Is it "raising" his value, I doubt it, but it's also not taking the hit you seem to believe it is either, and the kicker is we'll never know.

- Wetbandit1


He just refuses to acknowledge that
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