that's why I'm a fan of continuing to build through the draft and not sell the farm to move up, if it's even possible...

it is possible for a non-franchise qb to have an impact if the team around him is built properly
- Michael Pachla

but the Bills aren't, they should be focusing on an NFL QB either in the draft or FA. Most important player on the team IMO. My opinion is the Bills never draft for a position of need

but the Bills aren't, they should be focusing on an NFL QB either in the draft or FA. Most important player on the team IMO. My opinion is the Bills never draft for a position of need
- SABRES 89

you don't think they know qb's a position of need?...

I get what you're saying, but they also have other positions of need as well--dt, de, lb, wr, ol

you don't think they know qb's a position of need?...

I get what you're saying, but they also have other positions of need as well--dt, de, lb, wr, ol
- Michael Pachla

If they did we would have one by now, Jim Kelly says HI

If they did we would have one by now, Jim Kelly says HI
- SABRES 89

Kelly also never won a super bowl and lost two of them to jeff Hostetler and mark rypien--two less than stellar qb's who had a good teams around them

Kelly also never won a super bowl and lost two of them to jeff Hostetler and mark rypien--two less than stellar qb's who had a good teams around them
- Michael Pachla

Those games are far from being on Kelly losing them.

Those games are far from being on Kelly losing them.
- SABRES 89

he was a franchise quarterback with hall of famers on offense who lost to two backups in the superbowl...

those are the facts

he was a franchise quarterback with hall of famers on offense who lost to two backups in the superbowl...

those are the facts
- Michael Pachla

opinions vary as to how they lost.

Those games are far from being on Kelly losing them.
- SABRES 89

Kelly didn't play near his ability in any of the 4 super bowls. It wasn't just on him, but he didn't do anything special in the big games.

Party time was more important.

Kelly didn't play near his ability in any of the 4 super bowls. It wasn't just on him, but he didn't do anything special in the big games.

Party time was more important.
- Boss34

Neither did either backup QB, our D fell apart again. Norwood missed a chip that Stevie Wonder would have made.

opinions vary as to how they lost.
- SABRES 89

I get that...but at the end of the day, history says that jeff Hostetler and mark rypien were on the winning side of the superbowl while jim Kelly was on the losing side....

this is not to argue against nabbing a franchise quarterback...nor is it to argue kelly's greatness under center...backups on great teams can and have won superbowls...

in fact, nine backup qb's who didn't start the season, won the superbowl...and they lost zero

Neither did either backup QB, our D fell apart again. Norwood missed a chip that Stevie Wonder would have made.
- SABRES 89

47 yards on grass 27 years ago was hardly a chip shot.

The more time that goes by, the more I appreciate Kelly, but he didn't play his best in the super bowls.

I get that...but at the end of the day, history says that jeff Hostetler and mark rypien were on the winning side of the superbowl while jim Kelly was on the losing side....

this is not to argue against nabbing a franchise quarterback...nor is it to argue kelly's greatness under center...backups on great teams can and have won superbowls...

in fact, nine backup qb's who didn't start the season, won the superbowl...and they lost zero
- Michael Pachla

Games has changed since those SB and backups our O line is horrible and Keenum or Foles would be crap here as of now until changes are made.

I get that...but at the end of the day, history says that jeff Hostetler and mark rypien were on the winning side of the superbowl while jim Kelly was on the losing side....

this is not to argue against nabbing a franchise quarterback...nor is it to argue kelly's greatness under center...backups on great teams can and have won superbowls...

in fact, nine backup qb's who didn't start the season, won the superbowl...and they lost zero
- Michael Pachla

As much as i liked marv, we were also outcoached.
Especially the first one, we were unstoppable
,

Games has changed since those SB and backups our O line is horrible and Keenum or Foles would be crap here as of now until changes are made.
- SABRES 89

what makes you say that any of the top qb's from this year or last can step in and do what those two can't?

As much as i liked marv, we were also outcoached.
Especially the first one, we were unstoppable
,
- Boss34

coaches don't matter...or so I've been told

Anybody else feel that the refs were bought in our Superbowl vs the Redskins ? I'll believe that 'til the day I die. In fact at the half, I remember Marv running off the field, yelling at the refs "you've been bought ! you've been bought !" ... my sentiments exactly, while watching that first half.

Games has changed since those SB and backups our O line is horrible and Keenum or Foles would be crap here as of now until changes are made.
- SABRES 89

The fans need a young guy to believe in, Similar to eichel.

Whether or not eichel is the answer, it gives you some excitement and hope.

Baker or whomever would get this town pumped and ready to get behind them

in think many in Billsland could get behind that notion
- Michael Pachla

(frank) that.

Great playoff runs can give you a false sense of worth. See: Flacco, Joe and Leino, Ville and Ward, Joel and Bickell, Bryan.

Anybody else feel that the refs were bought in our Superbowl vs the Redskins ? I'll believe that 'til the day I die. In fact at the half, I remember Marv running off the field, yelling at the refs "you've been bought ! you've been bought !" ... my sentiments exactly, while watching that first half.
- kritter65

I'm been to focused on Richarderson calling out the skins line to think about the reffing .
Washington really dominated us

Anybody else feel that the refs were bought in our Superbowl vs the Redskins ? I'll believe that 'til the day I die. In fact at the half, I remember Marv running off the field, yelling at the refs "you've been bought ! you've been bought !" ... my sentiments exactly, while watching that first half.
- kritter65

maybe...but did they hide thermal's helmet?

(frank) that.

Great playoff runs can give you a false sense of worth. See: Flacco, Joe and Leino, Ville and Ward, Joel and Bickell, Bryan.
- Wetbandit1

ravens made the playoffs five consecutive seasons with flacco culminating with a superpbowl win and an mvp performance...they missed in 2013 but were back the next season and they never got bounced in the first round

but the Bills aren't, they should be focusing on an NFL QB either in the draft or FA. Most important player on the team IMO. My opinion is the Bills never draft for a position of need
- SABRES 89

I think the new regime is a separate from all the past failures.

They also let Gilmore go and drafted tre, db was a huge need.

I can't wait until the draft

I think the new regime is a separate from all the past failures.

They also let Gilmore go and drafted tre, db was a huge need.

I can't wait until the draft
- Boss34

what they do (or can do) in free agency will go a long way in determining what they need to do (or can do) at the draft

what they do (or can do) in free agency will go a long way in determining what they need to do (or can do) at the draft
- Michael Pachla

I doubt we see very much in FA

I doubt we see very much in FA
- SABRES 89

I know...but I'd like to see them plug one hole before heading into the draft