AA Seabrook & CC to start with
- Goalie-33

Seabrook for sure, Crawford - no chance. If you're tagging a goalie as your #1 a NMC is standard. Look at other goalies with similar contracts; Schneider, Bishop, Fleury, Smith, Howard, Dubnyk, Darling, Talbot, and Lundqvist they all have some type of NTC or NMC. The only guy without any one is Quick and he has one of those deals that aren't allowed any more (10 years). Crawford's contract is a very good value and solid deal overall.

Anisimov's contract really isn't bad either. Last year and this year he has a full NMC. Next year he has a limited NTC where he can list 10 teams he can be traded to (same condition as Hjalmarsson had). The final two years have no clauses whatsoever and they even have signing bonuses built into the contracts during those years which makes it even easier for Stan to trade him in the summers of 2019 or 2020.

I follow history, no guarantee but very very probable
- BetweenTheDots

The history of buy-outs, I think, were in CBAs that led to the imposition of a cap, or to known future major reductions in the cap.

I don’t expect that situation resulting from the next negotiations.

Would you be willing to pay the price to move Seabrook? If Bickell cost the team Teravainen what do you think it will cost to move Seabrook? I would think we're looking at DeBrincat, Jokiharju, or a 1st if we're a non-playoff team....maybe more.
- DarthKane

Will not pay anything to move Seabrook. We aren't going to win a first round even if we get in NEXT season. Good prospects COULD become core pieces. Where else do you get core player pieces except first round choices (usually). Bite the bullet and pay Seabrook one yr then buyout after collective bargaining agreement.

saad a 4th liner today....how wonderful now the hawks have 6 mildo per 3rd and 4th line under performer...
- bogiedoc

Toews not an Elite player
Seabrook not anything more than a 3rd pair Dman (at best)
Gustafson/Oesterle/Rutta/Kempny all should be in the AHL or Europe
Murphy a 3rd pair Dman
Saad on a 30something point 82 game pace for $6mil and now on the 4th line
Jeff Glass belongs in the AHL
Anton Forsberg should be an NHL backup or AHLer
Duncan Keith now is an ideal #2 dman at 34 years old
Artem Anisimov a non-factor most of the year
Ryan Hartman regressing from 19 goals as a rookie to healthy scratch/4th liner often

Where would this team be without Schmaltz, Debrincat, Kane and Crawford early in the year? They are SO FAR from being competitive for a Cup they really need to sell anything and everything. Seabrook and Toews should just retire bc their legacies will be tarnished if they play out their contracts at the level of declining performance we're seeing now. Toews may go down as one of the most overrated and overpaid players of the Salary Cap era if he continues to be a 40 something point center that isn't even that strong on the puck anymore. Really, really sad how far and how fast this team has fallen. BLOW IT UP (Bowman and Q included).

Seabrook for sure, Crawford - no chance. If you're tagging a goalie as your #1 a NMC is standard. Look at other goalies with similar contracts; Schneider, Bishop, Fleury, Smith, Howard, Dubnyk, Darling, Talbot, and Lundqvist they all have some type of NTC or NMC. The only guy without any one is Quick and he has one of those deals that aren't allowed any more (10 years). Crawford's contract is a very good value and solid deal overall.

Anisimov's contract really isn't bad either. Last year and this year he has a full NMC. Next year he has a limited NTC where he can list 10 teams he can be traded to (same condition as Hjalmarsson had). The final two years have no clauses whatsoever and they even have signing bonuses built into the contracts during those years which makes it even easier for Stan to trade him in the summers of 2019 or 2020.
- DarthKane

Agree to disagree on CC

If AA is still around in 2 years last place will be looking good each year

Need to get faster with the rest of NHL

AA is good in front of net but very slow in todays game

Hence bad contract by Bowman

The Bickell contract was a total joke

Down year & played with 19 & 88 in Playoffs

Even Dahawks99 could have played well with them in prime
- Goalie-33

Assume for a moment that Bickell was not an MS victim....

$4MM/year for four years for a power forward that was slotted to be the new 1LW, who could perform at the level he did in the playoffs was in actuality a STEAL. If...he was healthy.

That is the insidious thing about MS - it is not easy to diagnose, it comes and goes in fits and starts, and it took over a year after he was traded to CAR for the diagnosis to be made.

I still think if Bickell was healthy, he'd still be a Hawk now, and we would have THAT GUY that has been needed all along on that 1LW.

Agree to disagree on CC

If AA is still around in 2 years last place will be looking good each year

Need to get faster with the rest of NHL

AA is good in front of net but very slow in todays game

Hence bad contract by Bowman
- Goalie-33

I wouldn't be overly upset is Anisimov was traded (and adequately replaced), but AA's contract is not out of the norm for players in his situation. Look at Sutter, Frolik, Helm, Soderberg, N. Filigno, Killorn and Brouwer.

Man oh man did Foley throw Brandon Saad under the bus on Saturday night or what? The Golden Boys 19 & 88 cannot be blasted on air, but Foley held nothing back on his assessment of Saad's play. Konroyd tried to say something about Saad being a great power forward, Foley quickly slammed Konroyd on that statement too, something to the effect, "where's the power, there isn't any power there!!."

Crawford, or mostly any goalie in the NHL, needs a good defense in front of them. Seabrook is killing them right now...they need to totally revamp this defense.

Toews not an Elite player
Seabrook not anything more than a 3rd pair Dman (at best)
Gustafson/Oesterle/Rutta/Kempny all should be in the AHL or Europe
Murphy a 3rd pair Dman
Saad on a 30something point 82 game pace for $6mil and now on the 4th line
Jeff Glass belongs in the AHL
Anton Forsberg should be an NHL backup or AHLer
Duncan Keith now is an ideal #2 dman at 34 years old
Artem Anisimov a non-factor most of the year
Ryan Hartman regressing from 19 goals as a rookie to healthy scratch/4th liner often

Where would this team be without Schmaltz, Debrincat, Kane and Crawford early in the year? They are SO FAR from being competitive for a Cup they really need to sell anything and everything. Seabrook and Toews should just retire bc their legacies will be tarnished if they play out their contracts at the level of declining performance we're seeing now. Toews may go down as one of the most overrated and overpaid players of the Salary Cap era if he continues to be a 40 something point center that isn't even that strong on the puck anymore. Really, really sad how far and how fast this team has fallen. BLOW IT UP (Bowman and Q included).
- EnzoD

Bottom line is the wheels came off on just about everything with this team. I agree with trying to shed as much as possible now. Kane, Schmaltz, DBC, Duclair and CC. That is what you build around now. Lets hope Sikura signs and that young D we drafted last year turn into something. Also want to see some guys come up from Rockford and get a taste of the NHL. Highmore would be my first choice.

I wouldn't be overly upset is Anisimov was traded (and adequately replaced), but AA's contract is not out of the norm for players in his situation. Look at Sutter, Frolik, Helm, Soderberg, N. Filigno, Killorn and Brouwer.
- DarthKane

(directed at convo that led up to this)

It's ludicrous to expect every player on the team to have the complete package of skills that are extremely valuable today - speed, defensive acumen, offensive firepower, hands, vision, etc. Don't think that is possible for any team to achieve.

However, you need someone able to figure out the skills each player does bring to the table and 1) create a system that maximizes return on those skills, and 2) slot each player into the role that maximizes his contribution to the overall team effort.

Otherwise, you're asking for a square peg / round hole situation until you can effect a trade.

Toews not an Elite player
Seabrook not anything more than a 3rd pair Dman (at best)
Gustafson/Oesterle/Rutta/Kempny all should be in the AHL or Europe
Murphy a 3rd pair Dman
Saad on a 30something point 82 game pace for $6mil and now on the 4th line
Jeff Glass belongs in the AHL
Anton Forsberg should be an NHL backup or AHLer
Duncan Keith now is an ideal #2 dman at 34 years old
Artem Anisimov a non-factor most of the year
Ryan Hartman regressing from 19 goals as a rookie to healthy scratch/4th liner often

Where would this team be without Schmaltz, Debrincat, Kane and Crawford early in the year? They are SO FAR from being competitive for a Cup they really need to sell anything and everything. Seabrook and Toews should just retire bc their legacies will be tarnished if they play out their contracts at the level of declining performance we're seeing now. Toews may go down as one of the most overrated and overpaid players of the Salary Cap era if he continues to be a 40 something point center that isn't even that strong on the puck anymore. Really, really sad how far and how fast this team has fallen. BLOW IT UP (Bowman and Q included).
- EnzoD

19 is done being elite to much hockey against big centers atkes its tool on these guys
7's contract likely cost this team Panarin 7 should be a healthy scratch
Trade Ruuta Kempny & Murphy (6th dman at best) for anything you can get even a bag of used pucks
Saad is lost & looks like a 4th liner (horrid trade)
Glass is fine for a back up playing very few games
Forsberg trade for anything you can get (although I think he will win next few games)
2 is still good just not great
AA is a must trade piece
Hartman is a 4th liner/AHL trade piece

Time to let Hayden Pokka Sikura & Highmore play to see what they have

Heck even Sveberg over Seabrook

Bouma Wingels Sharp all bye bye

Good points but others have had up & down years too

We really miss Marian Hossa.
Or at least I do.

We really miss Marian Hossa.
Or at least I do.

- jt19

Dilly Dilly

Man oh man did Foley throw Brandon Saad under the bus on Saturday night or what? The Golden Boys 19 & 88 cannot be blasted on air, but Foley held nothing back on his assessment of Saad's play. Konroyd tried to say something about Saad being a great power forward, Foley quickly slammed Konroyd on that statement too, something to the effect, "where's the power, there isn't any power there!!."
- ChicagoHope

So? Saad hasn't showed very much power this year. I get you think he should spread to frustration around to all deserving of it, but i don't see the point in being mad about Saad being called out.

We really miss Marian Hossa.
Or at least I do.

- jt19

Starting to think as good as Toews was during the cup years, it was being paired with Hossa that made him great.

Starting to think as good as Toews was during the cup years, it was being paired with Hossa that made him great.
- RaleighHawk

Toews said as much in an interview last week.

Glass is starting tomorrow.

I am worried about what the team will do when Crawford is healthy. Keeping Forsberg is the best option for the long term success of the club, but I wouldn't be shocked if they waived him.

Deceiving, maybe.... https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses/

Look at NTC along with NMC. Calgary/Detroit/Ottawa/SJ/Caps/etc look great compared to the Hawks when looking at NMC, but add in NTC...
- HawksHype

You have a point to some degree, just looking at the team’s you mentioned looking at full NTC or full NMC.
Calgary 2
Detroit 8
Ottawa 0
Sharks 2
Capitols 0

I’ll also say I do think Stan has seen the error of his ways as evidenced by recent trades Saad 4 years UFA, Murphy 5 years UFA with no clauses.

Random thoughts -

NMC that Stan adds to contracts. Maybe the current players need to talk to Sharp, or Ladd, or JO to see how this current management team treats ex-players.

Saad, maybe Torts ruined this guy as a player?

Malkin, named #1 star this past week, yet Crow is still sidelined? Maybe a 2 minute penalty to knock a player out for extended period of time is what Q should be coaching this team. If not Q, and any players read this, DO IT! Starting with Jonny Hockey.

Starting to think as good as Toews was during the cup years, it was being paired with Hossa that made him great.
- RaleighHawk

i was thinking the same. maybe Hossa should have gotten 10+ and Toews 5+ contract

Stan has made some good moves and bad moves, unfortunately the Seabrook contract is one of his worst moves yet. However, this may be a contract we just have to live with. Another GM won't be able to move #7's contract without paying the same price as Bowman.
- DarthKane

Exactly

Glass is starting tomorrow.

I am worried about what the team will do when Crawford is healthy. Keeping Forsberg is the best option for the long term success of the club, but I wouldn't be shocked if they waived him.
- DarthKane

Forsberg has noticeably improved, but he's young and inexperienced so he can lay an egg every so often. Glass is a lot like Quick with his awkward style but very acrobatic. I like Glass as a backup, but I like Fors as an eventual starter.

Random thoughts -

NMC that Stan adds to contracts. Ma& 230 ybe the current players need to talk to Sharp, or Ladd, or JO to see how this current management team treats ex-players.

Saad, maybe Torts ruined this guy as a player?

Malkin, named #1 star this past week, yet Crow is still sidelined? Maybe a 2 minute penalty to knock a player out for extended period of time is what Q should be coaching this team. If not Q, and any players read this, DO IT! Starting with Jonny Hockey.
- powerenforcer

How about #7 go after Malkin
I mean 6"4 & 230 should be able to do something rather than stink up the ice!

Glass is starting tomorrow.

I am worried about what the team will do when Crawford is healthy. Keeping Forsberg is the best option for the long term success of the club, but I wouldn't be shocked if they waived him.
- DarthKane

I really don’t get why we’re starting Glass???