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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 5 @ 4:16 PM ET
How is a players on ice play not an indicator of his value?

That's what contracts are based on.

His value in not UP

- Boss34


Contracts are based on all prior performances, not the most recent sample. Kane hasn't produced for 20 games, I think the argument you're making is that his value took a big nose dive because of these most recent set of games.

I think it's fair to argue that a good GM would look at a bigger picture than that, but also that the market would affect the value of the player more than the short term play would. GM's know Kane can score even if he doesn't for another 10 games.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 4:17 PM ET
Just like my car scenario. People were calling and "kicking tires"

He asked more, now the car isn't running that well.

It's not worth as much . Other cars are available too.

Why over pay for the car that's been running slow for 2 months when you could buy a car that is running great?.

That great running car is more likely to get you to work and back - playoffs

- Boss34


I think your analogies are off base
So I’m not gonna keep going with these weird scenarios you’re inventing

Obviously Kane not scoring doesn’t help his value
I never said that

I said it would come down to supply & demand

And there’s no way Botts would raise the price of teams were just “kicking the tires”
That would be dumb
U only raise the price if there’s a lot of genuine interest
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Feb 5 @ 4:33 PM ET
Hoffman
Nash
Grabner
Kane
Pacioretty

Kane isn’t some special rental
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Feb 5 @ 4:40 PM ET
Hoffman
Nash
Grabner
Kane
Pacioretty

Kane isn’t some special rental

- sbroads24


Please just stop.........

We understand you don’t like Kane (or the trade that sent ur boy Myers), BUT PLEASE stop with the continued bashing of Kane!

We all get it!

I win when you don’t reply

53-0 Irish
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 4:41 PM ET
Hoffman
Nash
Grabner
Kane
Pacioretty

Kane isn’t some special rental

- sbroads24



IF those guys are now actually available...
that could definitely bring down the return we get for Kane
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Feb 5 @ 4:43 PM ET
No, u won’t listen

SUPPLY & DEMAND determine a player’s “value” much more than a hot or cold streak of a few games

Why did Botts raise his asking price for Kane if his value was down?
That would be dumb
Botts doesn’t strike me as a dumb guy

- jdfitz77


This is the problem in a nutshell combined with his lack of performing. There are too many good options potentially available now. 6 weeks ago it was Kane and Kane only
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Feb 5 @ 4:45 PM ET
IF those guys are now actually available...
that could definitely bring down the return we get for Kane

- jdfitz77


Even if they are not all available and GM's are just dangling these carrots to test the market this just muddies the waters even more
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 5 @ 4:48 PM ET
Hoffman
Nash
Grabner
Kane
Pacioretty

Kane isn’t some special rental

- sbroads24



Hoffman has 2 years left tho
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Feb 5 @ 4:54 PM ET
If anyone has that Nassar fella they gonna score big. I give him less than 30 days.
- dadeadhead


He'll be in protective custody for sure. No way they throw him into gen pop. He(or his estate) would have a huge lawsuit, and win, for when he inevitably got shanked. Michigan isn't going to take any chances with him.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Feb 5 @ 4:54 PM ET
I prefer La Davina over a wall.
- 51_Killer



Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Feb 5 @ 4:56 PM ET
This has turned into Facebook.
- 51_Killer


Thank God no one is posting pictures of their ugly kids though.

soljor09
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I wish you could unfollow people on here, NY
Joined: 02.11.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:03 PM ET
Just like my car scenario. People were calling and "kicking tires"

He asked more, now the car isn't running that well.

It's not worth as much . Other cars are available too.

Why over pay for the car that's been running slow for 2 months when you could buy a car that is running great?.

That great running car is more likely to get you to work and back - playoffs

- Boss34


Yea, but you can get a good look at a butchers ass by sticking your head up it, but wouldn’t you rather just take the cows word for it?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 5 @ 5:09 PM ET
Thank God no one is posting pictures of their ugly kids though.


- Wetbandit1


GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Feb 5 @ 5:12 PM ET
pizza is the tits
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 5 @ 5:15 PM ET
Contracts are based on all prior performances, not the most recent sample. Kane hasn't produced for 20 games, I think the argument you're making is that his value took a big nose dive because of these most recent set of games.

I think it's fair to argue that a good GM would look at a bigger picture than that, but also that the market would affect the value of the player more than the short term play would. GM's know Kane can score even if he doesn't for another 10 games.

- RhinoFan


So benoit pouliot signs a 4 year deal with edmonton
Has a bad year. Gets bought out.

Then we sign him for 1/4 what he was getting paid.

Do you take in consideration what he did prior to the Edmonton signing? Or what his most recent play dictated?

How did we get him so cheap?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 5 @ 5:20 PM ET
I think your analogies are off base
So I’m not gonna keep going with these weird scenarios you’re inventing

Obviously Kane not scoring doesn’t help his value
I never said that

I said it would come down to supply & demand

And there’s no way Botts would raise the price of teams were just “kicking the tires”
That would be dumb
U only raise the price if there’s a lot of genuine interest

- jdfitz77



I'm finished.
You said his value was UP. when I mentioned his cold streak would hurt his trade value.

Now that you back tracked to "obviously Kane not scoring doesn't help his value" i never said that.

You did say it. And argued for days about it.

There is no way that scoring 2 goals in 23 games helps the sabres get more for him.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:22 PM ET
Hoffman has 2 years left tho
- jcragcrumple


I think Patch does too
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:25 PM ET
Even if they are not all available and GM's are just dangling these carrots to test the market this just muddies the waters even more
- lulags


Sure, for now

But at the end of the day,
whether or not these guys are truly available will affect what we get for Kane

Patch & Hoffman might not get moved till after the season (if at all)

And NyR is fighting for the playoffs
So as long as they don’t drop out,
they’ll probably hang on to Nash & Grabner
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:26 PM ET
Yea, but you can get a good look at a butchers ass by sticking your head up it, but wouldn’t you rather just take the cows word for it?
- soljor09


Hahahahaha
That was awesome
Love me some Tommy Boy references
I could quote that movie all day
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:30 PM ET
I'm finished.
You said his value was UP. when I mentioned his cold streak would hurt his trade value.

Now that you back tracked to "obviously Kane not scoring doesn't help his value" i never said that.

You did say it. And argued for days about it.

There is no way that scoring 2 goals in 23 games helps the sabres get more for him.

- Boss34


I never said that it did

I said his value was up
Based on Botts raising his price
Which must have been bc of all the teams calling

You are the one who was using his lack of scoring as a measure for his value
NOT me

I kept saying “supply & demand”

Read more...
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:35 PM ET
Your pizza (Kane) was delicious. It had crispy cup pepperoni and a nice cheese blend. Then you took the pepp off (Eichel) and added horrible olives (playing with Larsson).

You can take the olives off but you still taste the olives (decreased value)

Olives on pizza is an abomination

- jcragcrumple


I don’t mind the black ones.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:40 PM ET
In other news...

PTI still sucks
Listening to Kornheiser & Wilbon scream at each other for 30min is even worse than Boss’ crappy analogies
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 5 @ 5:45 PM ET
In other news...

PTI still sucks
Listening to Kornheiser & Wilbon scream at each other for 30min is even worse than Boss’ crappy analogies

- jdfitz77



My analogies proved my point.

Get a clue.
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Feb 5 @ 5:46 PM ET
You all are killing the analogy game today
- 51_Killer


Its a circle jerk with a bunch of guys all wearing helmets perscribed by a doctor.
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Feb 5 @ 5:47 PM ET
In other news...

PTI still sucks
Listening to Kornheiser & Wilbon scream at each other for 30min is even worse than Boss’ crappy analogies

- jdfitz77



People still watch ESPN?
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