The amazing thing to me this year is how bad all defenseman have played. McDonagh, Skjei, Smith.. these are guys you expect to shut down other team players, not be turnover machines. Thats why the whole Shattenkirk thing is absurd. The guy was our top scoring defenseman which is why he was brought in... how bout we criticize the guys that are supposed to be good shutdown guys.
- mdw7413

It’s all Nasholes fault haha

The amazing thing to me this year is how bad all defenseman have played. McDonagh, Skjei, Smith.. these are guys you expect to shut down other team players, not be turnover machines. Thats why the whole Shattenkirk thing is absurd. The guy was our top scoring defenseman which is why he was brought in... how bout we criticize the guys that are supposed to be good shutdown guys.
- mdw7413

I agree but for all of our defenseman to suddenly be terrible it leads me to think it's the system and the coach has failed to adjust. I'd talk about how much I want AV fired but that's for a different day.

If they trade McDonagh, what about making a run at John Carlson this off-season as a UFA that costs you nothing but money. Not really a shutdown defender, and maybe brings the same attributes as Shattenkirk in away, but he's another righthander.

I can think of the perfect situation where the Rangers compete next year and loading up for the future at the same time, but it would require some serious recruitment and pulling an inside straight.
- Pete V

Yeah I'd sign up for that. Gotta think the Devils and Islanders would be in on him too.

The amazing thing to me this year is how bad all defenseman have played. McDonagh, Skjei, Smith.. these are guys you expect to shut down other team players, not be turnover machines. Thats why the whole Shattenkirk thing is absurd. The guy was our top scoring defenseman which is why he was brought in... how bout we criticize the guys that are supposed to be good shutdown guys.
- mdw7413

I'll try to be concise and fair - the whole defense has blown donkey Richard.

Yeah I'd sign up for that. Gotta think the Devils and Islanders would be in on him too.
- tomburton99

So, Tom, I think there is a very small chance this could happen, but would you at least take a run at making it happen:

Trade Nash for a 1st and a prospect.
Trade Grabner for a 1st.
Trade McDonagh for the moon, stars and sky.

Make a run at Tavares.
Make a run at Carlson.
Consider brining back Nash or Grabner if you can make it work.

Is their downside in trying?

I'll try to be concise and fair - the whole defense has blown donkey Richard.
- Pete V

I try to fair also and I don’t know what concise means haha

So, Tom, I think there is a very small chance this could happen, but would you at least take a run at making it happen:

Trade Nash for a 1st and a prospect.
Trade Grabner for a 1st.
Trade McDonagh for the moon, stars and sky.

Make a run at Tavares.
Make a run at Carlson.
Consider brining back Nash or Grabner if you can make it work.

Is their downside in trying?
- Pete V

I still want Doughty god damn it!!

So, Tom, I think there is a very small chance this could happen, but would you at least take a run at making it happen:

Trade Nash for a 1st and a prospect.
Trade Grabner for a 1st.
Trade McDonagh for the moon, stars and sky.

Make a run at Tavares.
Make a run at Carlson.
Consider brining back Nash or Grabner if you can make it work.

Is their downside in trying?
- Pete V

No, that's fair. That team would better than current one we're watching. Idk if the money would work. Gotta think Carlsson wil get some where around 7 and Tavares around 10(probably more).

I still want Doughty god damn it!!
- Slimtj100

Pass. Doughty is great player, but he'd fail to live up to expectations as Ranger. I can see that from a mile away.

Now that Porzingis is out for the year, nothing worthwhile will be happening at the Garden for a long time. Both the Knicks and Rangers are dumpster fires...Next 6 games vs...Boston (Loss), Flames (Loss), Jets (Big Loss), Wild (Loss), Islanders (Loss), Senators (Win)...

When's the Dog show?

Now that Porzingis is out for the year, nothing worthwhile will be happening at the Garden for a long time. Both the Knicks and Rangers are dumpster fires...Next 6 games vs...Boston (Loss), Flames (Loss), Jets (Big Loss), Wild (Loss), Islanders (Loss), Senators (Win)...

When's the Dog show?
- jacksonNYR

^Dundee.........^Burton...........^9479

So, Tom, I think there is a very small chance this could happen, but would you at least take a run at making it happen:

Trade Nash for a 1st and a prospect.
Trade Grabner for a 1st.
Trade McDonagh for the moon, stars and sky.

Make a run at Tavares.
Make a run at Carlson.
Consider brining back Nash or Grabner if you can make it work.

Is their downside in trying?
- Pete V

We won't get Carlson or Tavares

Now that Porzingis is out for the year, nothing worthwhile will be happening at the Garden for a long time. Both the Knicks and Rangers are dumpster fires...Next 6 games vs...Boston (Loss), Flames (Loss), Jets (Big Loss), Wild (Loss), Islanders (Loss), Senators (Win)...

When's the Dog show?
- jacksonNYR

I'll tell ya what, I've been making some serious coin from all these Ls we've been taking. Makes losing a little easier, but still not preferred to winning

It’s all Nasholes fault haha
- Slimtj100

Leave my boy alone..

We won't get Carlson or Tavares
- nyrangers9479

Probably not, but that does not mean that you should explore those things. It's still New York, and it's still the Rangers. Playing in NYC has always been the biggest recruiting tool this team has had, and will continue to be.

^Dundee.........^Burton...........^9479
- 21peter

I'll take it.

I agree but for all of our defenseman to suddenly be terrible it leads me to think it's the system and the coach has failed to adjust. I'd talk about how much I want AV fired but that's for a different day.
- nyrangers9479

Like Tom said, Ruff. That falls on his shoulders its his 1 job

I try to fair also and I don’t know what concise means haha
- Slimtj100

The opposite of Dundee and Saver.

Leave my boy alone..
- mdw7413

He’ll be back next season 🙄

Leave my boy alone..
- mdw7413

TJ hates himself some Nash.


Which brings me to a related point, while we give the defense a bunch of crap and deservedly so, with a couple of exceptions our forwards don't defend worth poop either. Some of them never heard of back checking apparently, which is why the Rangers are getting murdered on shots coming from the late man (or second level which ever term you prefer).

Pass. Doughty is great player, but he'd fail to live up to expectations as Ranger. I can see that from a mile away.
- tomburton99

I forgot, you only like kids other teams draft that haven proven a damn thing on the ice

TJ hates himself some Nash.


Which brings me to a related point, while we give the defense a bunch of crap and deservedly so, with a couple of exceptions our forwards don't defend worth poop either. Some of them never heard of back checking apparently, which is why the Rangers are getting murdered on shots coming from the late man (or second level which ever term you prefer).
- Pete V

Yup, its a whole system defensive poophole

Like Tom said, Ruff. That falls on his shoulders its his 1 job
- mdw7413

Skjei was awesome last year. This year he's terrible. His skills didn't erode over the course of 10 months. That's Lindy Ruff to a T.

Skjei was awesome last year. This year he's terrible. His skills didn't erode over the course of 10 months. That's Lindy Ruff to a T.
- tomburton99

Just a word of caution, Michael Del Zotto was awesome in his first year with the Rangers as well.