If Botterill is as smart as he's reported to be, then they have the right guy and don't need a 'hockey czar'.
- kingcong39

punch was the only gm in sabres history to have had gm experience before he was hired by the sabres

That’s about right.... I don’t get the point?

Over 50% of ROR production has been when it isn’t 5 on 5, where roughly 80% of the game is played
- sbroads24

What site do you use to get those numbers?

What site do you use to get those numbers?
- kingcong39

Naturalstattrick.com

but ROR wins more faceoffs
- homiedclown

sabres without ror would be far worse than they are now...we witnessed that in a game against Carolina in December...they went 15/60 on the dot and lost 4-2

you're raising ticket prices for a franchise that in the last four and a half years has had two last place finishes, a 23rd, a 26th and now have an probable 30th place team...the Sabres have won 69 of 189 home games...

you're right, they're not idiots, season ticket holders on the other hand....
- Michael Pachla

Season tickets
300's level III behind the net. Prices are the last 5 years
25
26
28
29
30

100 level III behind the net. 3 years $7 per ticket

50
52
55
57

If there is ever a home playoff game or a game 7 Stanley cup game at home, this idiot will be there.

I really think they freeze the tickets this season. Or like they did a few yers ago, give back 6.5% in sabres bucks.

Then they hit the profit share and keep people a bit happier.

pretty sure russ Brandon does the representing and I highly doubt he has any influence with the other owners
- Michael Pachla

Maybe. My broader point is that openly rebelling against 30 other teams would have backlash. The Pegulas would be outcasts in the NHL world.

People will opt out of their season tickets, as is their right. They'll come back once the Sabres are good too.

Gotta play by NHL rules. If they quit out of revenue sharing, it would set a precedent to allow other teams to buck the NHL union of teams. Pegula would be blacklisted from all events and informally stripped of any kind input at the league level.

They'll probably just increase the amount of Sabres Bucos that sth get to make up for the price increase
- jcragcrumple[/quote

If I were a STH, I would be furious with the Bs over the past 4-5 years.
I am surprised that there hasn’t been some sort of organized protest, like boycotting a couple of games to send the message this won’t be tolerated further.
Get a clue and stop taking your customers for granted.

sabres without ror would be far worse than they are now...we witnessed that in a game against Carolina in December...they went 15/60 on the dot and lost 4-2
- Michael Pachla

This is correct, but that’s because the alternative is Sam Reinhart who was a disaster at center or Johan Larsson. Not because O’Reilly is great

What site do you use to get those numbers?
- kingcong39

http://fuldans.se/?v=xapeifcwtg

That’s about right.... I don’t get the point?

Over 50% of ROR production has been when it isn’t 5 on 5, where roughly 80% of the game is played
- sbroads24

so 5v5 goals do matter, except when it comes to kane

sabres without ror would be far worse than they are now...we witnessed that in a game against Carolina in December...they went 15/60 on the dot and lost 4-2
- Michael Pachla

who has he made better on the ice?


how is our locker room?

perhaps he should drill another well...that would far surpass any money he gets from revenue sharing
- Michael Pachla

It's not just about his own net worth.

It's about the net worth of each asset you own. He's right. Not being part of revenue sharing, the same revenue sharing product we were all clamoring for in 2005, is just a poor business move.

[quote=jcragcrumple]Gotta play by NHL rules. If they quit out of revenue sharing, it would set a precedent to allow other teams to buck the NHL union of teams. Pegula would be blacklisted from all events and informally stripped of any kind input at the league level.

They'll probably just increase the amount of Sabres Bucos that sth get to make up for the price increase
- IonSabres[/quote

If I were a STH, I would be furious with the Bs over the past 4-5 years.
I am surprised that there hasn’t been some sort of organized protest, like boycotting a couple of games to send the message this won’t be tolerated further.
Get a clue and stop taking your customers for granted.

The best protest is relinquishing your season's. But when they're good in 2-3 years, you run the risk of not having a seat. It's not like the owners come to your house to shake you down for cash. Just stop buying tickets. I have very little sympathy for angry SSN ticket holders.

Empathy, yes

Sympathy, no

Naturalstattrick.com
- sbroads24

If I'm reading that site correctly, ROR has 10 points at either 4v4 or 3v3?

so 5v5 goals do matter, except when it comes to kane
- Michael Pachla

I have never once said they didn’t matter. I said he wouldn’t repeat it.

And he won’t.

He had a great year last year. He’s back to shooting between 8-9% and back on his usual pace of 25ish goals per 82 games.

Season tickets
300's level III behind the net. Prices are the last 5 years
25
26
28
29
30

100 level III behind the net. 3 years $7 per ticket

50
52
55
57

If there is ever a home playoff game or a game 7 Stanley cup game at home, this idiot will be there.

I really think they freeze the tickets this season. Or like they did a few yers ago, give back 6.5% in sabres bucks.

Then they hit the profit share and keep people a bit happier.
- Boss34

nothin personal, boss-man...just pointing out that they've been raising ticket prices despite incredibly poor play from the team

punch was the only gm in sabres history to have had gm experience before he was hired by the sabres
- homiedclown

Right.
Maybe they should try a different approach.
Of course with all those SC’s over their 47 years of existence, I can see why they stay the course.

If I'm reading that site correctly, ROR has 10 points at either 4v4 or 3v3?
- kingcong39

Or 6 on 5. I don’t think they count those under “power play”

He has 2 SH points as well

sabres without ror would be far worse than they are now...we witnessed that in a game against Carolina in December...they went 15/60 on the dot and lost 4-2
- Michael Pachla

Ror is an easy target.
Highly paid
Losing team

He's not the problem. He'll end up with 25 and 30/ 35 assists or close. Same as always, give or take a few points.

Everyone female doges about playing with scrubs
Ror plays with the same guys

so 5v5 goals do matter, except when it comes to kane
- Michael Pachla

is there room on the indian bandwagon because the jays are gonna suck

#Ihatewatchinga30thplacehockeyteam

Right.
Maybe they should try a different approach.
Of course with all those SC’s over their 47 years of existence, I can see why they stay the course.
- IonSabres

giggle giggle

#Imissjohnscott

Or 6 on 5. I don’t think they count those under “power play”

He has 2 SH points as well
- sbroads24

I filtered by 'even strength' and his points went from 15 when filtering by 5v5 to 25, so unless they count 6v5 as even strength, then he has 10 points between 4v4 and 3v3.

It's not just about his own net worth.

It's about the net worth of each asset you own. He's right. Not being part of revenue sharing, the same revenue sharing product we were all clamoring for in 2005, is just a poor business move.
- buffalofan19

look, if season ticket holders want to pay for it, and re-up at a 95% rate, it's up to them...no skin off my back...but I've seen plenty of complaining about ticket prices for a poor on-ice product

Ror is an easy target.
Highly paid
Losing team

He's not the problem. He'll end up with 25 and 30/ 35 assists or close. Same as always, give or take a few points.

Everyone female doges about playing with scrubs
Ror plays with the same guys
- Boss34

derek roy got ran of town


and he was more of a leader than ror

The best protest is relinquishing your season's. But when they're good in 2-3 years, you run the risk of not having a seat. It's not like the owners come to your house to shake you down for cash. Just stop buying tickets. I have very little sympathy for angry SSN ticket holders.

Empathy, yes

Sympathy, no
- jcragcrumple

I agree, just shocked nothing has been done.