Besides Sprong, does anyone on our team really qualify as a top prospect? Now if they want Sheary and a 1st I'd do that.

Simon has made Sheary expendable in my eyes. We could call up Sprong to fill Sheary's 3rd line role. We'd still have Kessel, Hornqvist, Guentzel, Hags, Simon, Sprong, Rust, ZAR (8) all as options, plus Kuhnhackl, Reaves, Rowney to fill in. That's plenty of wings when we'd have Crosby, Malkin, Brassard, Sheahan down the middle.

My doubt is Ottawa trading with us though. If there is 1 owner who hates us enougg bot to trade here, it's probably Melnyk.
- Tojo.

Sheary, a 1st, and a notarized guilty admission from Matt Cooke.

Its also interesting that Sheahan isnèt being sheltered either. His ozone% at EVS is only 32%.

The only area Bonino has him out to lunch is that there will never be announcer saying “Sheahan, Sheahan, Sheahan..SHEA-HAN!“

In regards to the 4C pro9blem, I suspect Jimmy will trade for Letestu in exchange for a pick from dem Oilers. (although it would be great if they could just give up on Strome)
- DeflatedPucks

Letestu has been terrible the last month. Not sure he is worth $1.8M to a cap strapped team to be honest.

Letestu has been terrible the last month. Not sure he is worth $1.8M to a cap strapped team to be honest.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

His cap hit would be more like 600k at this point.

Sheary, a 1st, and a notarized guilty admission from Matt Cooke.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I mentioned Backlund the other day. I think he'd be an amazing fit but yeah, dont see CGY moving him.

There is a growing consensus that people are ok with Sheahan and just getting a small upgrade at 4C. I think you need more 87/71 insurance than just Sheahan.

I will say this...I think GMJR should go all in for a difference maker even if we go the 4C route. A 4c upgrade + try like hell to get Pacioretty/Kane/Nash/Hoffman.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Agree with all this. I think all they really NEED is a 4C. But I'd love to get a difference maker if one can be had for Sheary and/or a first. Still like a center like Brassard the most to really stack lines, but I would also be happy with a 4C upgrade and stud LW.

Letestu has been terrible the last month. Not sure he is worth $1.8M to a cap strapped team to be honest.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

His prorated salary would be negligible.

His cap hit would be more like 600k at this point.
- MattStrat

Not gonna lie, I get confused on this every year.

In basic terms, if we have $800k in cap room now. We could bring in Letestu's $1.8M pro-rated cap hit ($600k) with no retention. OK, that seems straightforward.

BUT when it's roster player for roster player, couldnt we just look at regular cap hit? If we send out Sheary for Brassard, for example, we are sending out $3M pro-rated for $5M pro-rated. So if the pro-rated difference between the two is less than $800k, we can fit Brassard under the cap.

Is this the right thinking or have I just made it more confusing? lol

Not gonna lie, I get confused on this every year.

In basic terms, if we have $800k in cap room now. We could bring in Letestu's $1.8M pro-rated cap hit ($600k) with no retention. OK, that seems straightforward.

BUT when it's roster player for roster player, couldnt we just look at regular cap hit? If we send out Sheary for Brassard, for example, we are sending out $3M pro-rated for $5M pro-rated. So if the pro-rated difference between the two is less than $800k, we can fit Brassard under the cap.

Is this the right thinking or have I just made it more confusing? lol
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Trust me, it's confusing as hell. Someone explained it well a few blogs back for me, but I've forgotten already lol

Not gonna lie, I get confused on this every year.

In basic terms, if we have $800k in cap room now. We could bring in Letestu's $1.8M pro-rated cap hit ($600k) with no retention. OK, that seems straightforward.

BUT when it's roster player for roster player, couldnt we just look at regular cap hit? If we send out Sheary for Brassard, for example, we are sending out $3M pro-rated for $5M pro-rated. So if the pro-rated difference between the two is less than $800k, we can fit Brassard under the cap.

Is this the right thinking or have I just made it more confusing? lol
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Im not gonna lie either haha. Up to a few weeks ago I would always talk about the full cap hit of a potential player coming to the Pens and a few regulars from these parts would correct me. So all I know for sure is that a player coming has their cap hit prorated...Im thinking that it would be the same way for a player going out/being traded away too.

So RW's argument is that they should've traded for Reaves sooner?

Not gonna lie, I get confused on this every year.

In basic terms, if we have $800k in cap room now. We could bring in Letestu's $1.8M pro-rated cap hit ($600k) with no retention. OK, that seems straightforward.

BUT when it's roster player for roster player, couldnt we just look at regular cap hit? If we send out Sheary for Brassard, for example, we are sending out $3M pro-rated for $5M pro-rated. So if the pro-rated difference between the two is less than $800k, we can fit Brassard under the cap.

Is this the right thinking or have I just made it more confusing? lol
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Generally how I see it though I don't have a full handle and not everything gets reported about say LTIR so Capgeek can adjust. But prorate the difference between Sheary and Brassard and if we can fit that we're good which should be around 650k since we're 2/3 into the season and maybe 500k at the deadline?

Im not gonna lie either haha. Up to a few weeks ago I would always talk about the full cap hit of a potential player coming to the Pens and a few regulars from these parts would correct me. So all I know for sure is that a player coming has their cap hit prorated...Im thinking that it would be the same way for a player going out/being traded away too.
- MattStrat

It depends on days played/days left in the season, that would be their prorated salary.

Trust me, it's confusing as hell. Someone explained it well a few blogs back for me, but I've forgotten already lol
- j.boyd919

Cap is based on a daily accrual. This season there are 186 days. Any player acquired will have a cap hit of the remaining days.

Basic formula as follows:

Cap Hit x (days remaining/186 days) = Real remaining cap hit for acquiring team

Cap is based on a daily accrual. This season there are 186 days. Any player acquired will have a cap hit of the remaining days.

Basic formula as follows:

Cap Hit x (days remaining/186 days) = Real remaining cap hit for acquiring team
- Feds91Stammer

That's the easy part. The complicated part is the other side of the equation, because for teams, cap space is also based on daily use. So if there are days in the season where you have a guy on IR (not counting against the cap) or send a guy down, you are accruing more cap space on those days than days where your roster is at full strength. This makes the deadline cap number almost impossible for casual fans to calculate perfectly since we do not have a log of all the paper moves a franchise made throughout the season leading up to the deadline.

That's the easy part. The complicated part is the other side of the equation, because for teams, cap space is also based on daily use. So if there are days in the season where you have a guy on IR (not counting against the cap) or send a guy down, you are accruing more cap space on those days than days where your roster is at full strength. This makes the deadline cap number almost impossible for casual fans to calculate perfectly since we do not have a log of all the paper moves a franchise made throughout the season leading up to the deadline.
- Victoro311

To my knowledge LTIR does not impact the day count for a players salary accrual(check NHL numbers out and they will have 186 days listed for guys that have been on LTIR this season) . LTIR impacts the upper limit so that a team can replace that player. The day count is only impacted if the player is removed from the roster like in a trade or being sent to the minors.

That's the easy part. The complicated part is the other side of the equation, because for teams, cap space is also based on daily use. So if there are days in the season where you have a guy on IR (not counting against the cap) or send a guy down, you are accruing more cap space on those days than days where your roster is at full strength. This makes the deadline cap number almost impossible for casual fans to calculate perfectly since we do not have a log of all the paper moves a franchise made throughout the season leading up to the deadline.
- Victoro311

JR said they have $800k in cap space as of last week...so I'll just go by that

To my knowledge LTIR does not impact the day count for a players salary accrual(check NHL numbers out and they will have 186 days listed for guys that have been on LTIR this season) . LTIR impacts the upper limit so that a team can replace that player. The day count is only impacted if the player is removed from the roster like in a trade or being sent to the minors.
- Feds91Stammer

So in other words, LTIRing someone only gives you cap space while they're physically on LTIR?

So in other words, LTIRing someone only gives you cap space while they're physically on LTIR?
- Victoro311

To my knowledge yes.

When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates above the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club's averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit. The amount of relief that the club receives is calculated on the day the player is placed on LTIR. There are three equations that are used to determine the LTIR relief, the first, the basic equation, can be used during the season and during the off-season. The second, the training-camp equation, can be used on the final day of the off-season in preparation for the first day of the season. The third formula is used when the team already has a player on LTIR.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

JR said they have $800k in cap space as of last week...so I'll just go by that
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm just going to say they can add roughly 2M salary. They can always get a little creative to open more though not enough to say add a 5M player without sending salary back.

I'm just going to say they can add roughly 2M salary. They can always get a little creative to open more though not enough to say add a 5M player without sending salary back.
- Tojo.

Sounds like a fair way to look at it.

Or we just deal with Buffalo so JR can ask Botterill how to make our cap work.

I'm just going to say they can add roughly 2M salary. They can always get a little creative to open more though not enough to say add a 5M player without sending salary back.
- Tojo.

You always have to consider the SPC limit of 50 as well. The easiest way to free up cap without sending players the other way in a trade is Reaves/Rowney/Kuhnackl going on waivers and being sent down.

Man, the Devils are crashing hard...If that last game vs them wasnt a B2B and the Pens woke up before the 3rd period of that game, Pens would of won.

They'll be a team on the outside looking in, in April IMO.

EDIT: just look at all the Metro team's last 10 games played records haha...couldnt of went any better for the Pens...well..sure it could of ...they all could of went 0-10-0

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2017/division

You always have to consider the SPC limit of 50 as well. The easiest way to free up cap without sending players the other way in a trade is Reaves/Rowney/Kuhnackl going on waivers and being sent down.
- Feds91Stammer

Cant see the old man waiving any of them, unfortunately...

Cant see the old man waiving any of them, unfortunately...
- MattStrat

Sadly, I think he'd send Simon down until the playoffs first. A guy like Kuhnhackl they could probably throw in like Feds was suggesting just to make the money work.

Man, the Devils are crashing hard...If that last game vs them wasnt a B2B and the Pens woke up before the 3rd period of that game, Pens would of won.

They'll be a team on the outside looking in, in April IMO.

EDIT: just look at all the Metro team's last 10 games played records haha...couldnt of went any better for the Pens...well..sure it could of ...they all could of went 0-10-0

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2017/division
- MattStrat

Well Brian Gibbons just needs to get back to shooting 40% or whatever