I have been beating the fire Q drum for sometime . And yes when the draft is in your own city it is a big deal . U are either with us or against us , and with the coaching decisions being made recently and in the past he is not with us . Q ego has sored sine his big contract , and his coaching has flat lined ..
- oldduffman

Are you serious with that comment?

People can't be "with us" and have differing opinions?

Do you honestly believe Q doesn't want to win and is somehow against you, the fans, the city and the team?

That's a crazy statement, man.

I have been beating the fire Q drum for sometime . And yes when the draft is in your own city it is a big deal . U are either with us or against us , and with the coaching decisions being made recently and in the past he is not with us . Q ego has sored sine his big contract , and his coaching has flat lined ..
- oldduffman

Duff, your'e beating your head against the wall trying to reason with some of these guy's . Q'S shelf life is long past.

So my question is this: Has Stan's latest bit of responses become his way of saying we are fully rebuilding. This team has hit rock bottom. 5-1 to AZ is an embarrassment. Regardless of the third goal and the deflation that caused. It was the one in Minny that sank the ship early, and the 60 footer that poked the hole in the balloon against Dallas. The goaltending has just not been at an NHL level and you cant win like that, especially with this garbage D corp.

Duff, your'e beating your head against the wall trying to reason with some of these guy's . Q'S shelf life is long past.
- 47 & counting

I don't mind if you want to provide some backup to your "fire Q" argument, but Duff said that "you're either with us or against us" Then stated Q was "against us."

C'mon. That's just silly.

Are you serious with that comment?

People can't be "with us" and have differing opinions?

Do you honestly believe Q doesn't want to win and is somehow against you, the fans, the city and the team?

That's a crazy statement, man.
- Hank3Henshaw

Agree, too often in the NHL the Coach becomes the scapegoat for the lack of preperation on an individual level in the locker room. Yes part of the coaches responsibility is to make sure his guys are ready to go, but that onus is also on the individual as far as his gameday preparation.

Is it Q's fault Kane and Toews make 10.5?

Is it Q's fault 7 makes 7 a year and has an immovable contract?

Is it Q's fault that the youngsters that are being brought up just arent cutting it? Hino plays PP minutes and looks completely in over his head. Schmaltz is a different player every night. The young D are turning pucks over. How is any of this on the coach?

There's obviously two sides to every story, right? Q-bashers love to run with the first thing they hear. "Oh, the front office wanted to go this direction, but Q didn't." Guess he's impeding the team's future and it's time fire him.

The truth is, we don't know all the details of what is said or happens in meetings.

Here's something a lot of anti-Q guys don't think of:

Maybe some moves Stan wanted to do were totally absurd and Q opposed him. Look at Bowman's track record of ridiculous contracts. Maybe, just maybe, Bowman had some more of those lined up and Q interjected.

We could be in a worse situation (contract/cap and talent wise) than we already are.

Just saying, if you're going to bang the drum for Q's firing, you better take a hard look at the front office, too.

Agree, too often in the NHL the Coach becomes the scapegoat for the lack of preperation on an individual level in the locker room. Yes part of the coaches responsibility is to make sure his guys are ready to go, but that onus is also on the individual as far as his gameday preparation.

Is it Q's fault Kane and Toews make 10.5?

Is it Q's fault 7 makes 7 a year and has an immovable contract?

Is it Q's fault that the youngsters that are being brought up just arent cutting it? Hino plays PP minutes and looks completely in over his head. Schmaltz is a different player every night. The young D are turning pucks over. How is any of this on the coach?
- nickmo2699

This!

Thanks

Keith 35
Seabs 33
Craw 33
AA 30
Teows 30
Kane 29.

Boston Bruins:
Chara 40
McQuaid 31
Rask 30
Krejci 31
Bergeron 32
Marchand 29
Backes 33

The difference between their team and our's...
Pastrnak, McAvoy, Carlo, Heinen, Bjork, Debrusk, and a few more on the way.

They had two years of fans saying 'what the heck is going on, this team is swirling the drain with this old core'. The team was retooling. They bit the bullet and ditched Lucic, Hamilton, Seidenberg, and other 'key' pieces for picks and prospects. It took two years of missing the playoffs and hearing people bemoan their demise, but look where they are now. They struck gold with Pastrnak and McAvoy, and signed Backes with their newfound cap space.

The Hawks will have cap space at some point soon, we just need to do some serious homework for the next two drafts. It's going to hurt this year and likely next year, but this team is likely reaching it's nadir right now. They'll be trending in the right direction the second those standings lock in at the end of the year with draft positions.
- ObeseOprah

Krejci 31
Bergeron 32
Marchand 29
Backes 33 all these guys combined make 6.5 AAV avg or 4 mil Less then Teows and Kane. IE you can do it if your core is playing at the level of there salary. Who do we have that is playing at the level of there salary? Keith might be, Kane No. Craw and AA were early, SAAD, SEABS, TEOWS no.

I don't mind if you want to provide some backup to your "fire Q" argument, but Duff said that "you're either with us or against us" Then stated Q was "against us."

C'mon. That's just silly.
- Hank3Henshaw

OK maybe I should have said it Seems like he is against us . And with his bench management it sure Seems like he as a different agenda then the front office . Just his handling off the goalies since Crow went down has been terrible .Play Forsberg for god sakes , Have to see what he got ,give him a few games . Glass is not here for the future ,and either is Q IMO ...

OK maybe I should have said it Seems like he is against us . And with his bench management it sure Seems like he as a different agenda then the front office . Just his handling off the goalies since Crow went down has been terrible .Play Forsberg for god sakes , Have to see what he got ,give him a few games . Glass is not here for the future ,and either is Q IMO ...
- oldduffman

Haha. No doubt. I had to just give you a bit of the the business, my friend

It's interesting, though, because Forsberg hasn't looked too stellar his last number of starts either...

They're just in a bad spot all-around, you know.

If we shut down Crow and put him on LTIR, what about taking a big expiring contract plus a high pick/prospect? I know we don't really have the pieces a playoff team would want, but it would give them space to go after someone they do want (or it could just be a three team trade like Duchene).
- tvetter

I see absolutely no reason not to do that. Might as well get assets any way we can at this point.

Q should have been fired after his tantrum at the Draft , in excusable IMO . No ability to adapt last year in the playoffs . His bench management against ST'L was atrocious .Hell his bench management even when this team had all the horses was terrible ..Q must go, should have gone before the season started . Now that we are in complete free fall,might as well keep him around for the Dive for 5 or better .. GO HAWKS !!
- oldduffman

So you really are an all or nothing person, its all Qs fault, but none of the cores fault? Lots and lots of gray in this world?

So you really are an all or nothing person, its all Qs fault, but none of the cores fault? Lots and lots of gray in this world?
- BetweenTheDots

100%

That's what I've been trying to point out this morning. It's a bummer you can't fire the players, so the coach is always the fall guy.

I don't think Q is the issue.

It doesn't matter if Q is the coach going forward or not. All that matters is the plan going forward is the 4 to 5 year plan. By then certain contracts will almost be up, it'll give the team to develop defenseman and forwards to usher in a new era.

Haha. No doubt. I had to just give you a bit of the the business, my friend

It's interesting, though, because Forsberg hasn't looked too stellar his last number of starts either...

They're just in a bad spot all-around, you know.
- Hank3Henshaw

Forsberg has looked bad of late, but since he is the only "goalie of the future" for the time being, why not play him and see if he can work through it?

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl

The Tankathon currently has the Hawks in position for the 8th pick in the draft. Lottery chances are 18.3% for a top 3 and 5.8% for 1st overall.

The way they are currently playing there is a real possibility the could fall (rise?) to the number 5 spot in the draft.

#SuckForTkachuk #FallinForDahlin

Plenty of blame to go around for sure. Problem is not one area of the organization carries more blame than our “faces of the franchise”. Namely, the captain.

He leaves the training and nutrition regimen that allowed him to excel to the top of the game, he publicly states that when you aren’t succeeding, it is not good to question what you are doing because it makes you doubt yourself. Then he brings puppy dog eyes to post game interviews and spews the same old garbage lines we have heard all year about “we need to do better”.

It is hard to do better when he abandons practices that were beneficial to his performance, but then have the arrogance - yes arrogance - to say he won’t reexamine his approach to the game because he might doubt himself.

19 SHOULD be doubting himself because he is a SHELL of who he was. We are not talking about an incremental decline. He is invisible on this team, yet he is its leader. “Captain Serious” leads by example. Well guess what - he is leading by example. His attitude is infectious to the rest of the team, and it shows.

Continue execution of Operation #tank.

That is all.

Time will tell but this team is close to hitting rock bottom if not already there.....

Mngt saying next year will look very similar is alarming. As I have said before not sure what it will take to make majors changes but we are there people....hopefully Mngt can take their heads out of their asses and do something.

Fwiw, Bolts, Caps, Stars, Blues, Preds, Wild just to name a few teams are running out of time. Hate the Leafs back end and believe ultimately will handcuff that team. Canucks are quietly building a very nice team. Then you have the LVGK team, that'll be interesting in the summer. Anyways next few years for the Hawks are really going to be interesting.

Time will tell but this team is close to hitting rock bottom if not already there.....

Mngt saying next year will look very similar is alarming. As I have said before not sure what it will take to make majors changes but we are there people....hopefully Mngt can take their heads out of their asses and do something.
- Hawkster

Next year being the same as this year would be phenomenal. In the current environment management cannot move value for value and get any better. They have no cap and no tradeable assets to bring anything good back.

Another high draft pick next year just before the strike that will follow the next year will likely favorably change the CBA - hopefully to include buyouts and a softer cap/luxury tax.

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl

The Tankathon currently has the Hawks in position for the 8th pick in the draft. Lottery chances are 18.3% for a top 3 and 5.8% for 1st overall.

The way they are currently playing there is a real possibility the could fall (rise?) to the number 5 spot in the draft.

#SuckForTkachuk #FallinForDahlin
- Rota's Rooter

Of the next 6 games on the schedule, the only one I see us winning is the Ottawa game (even though 5 are at home). We can be deep down the standings by the TDL.

BTW I have bookmarked this link in my favorites bar. Thanks for it.

I have been beating the fire Q drum for sometime . And yes when the draft is in your own city it is a big deal . U are either with us or against us , and with the coaching decisions being made recently and in the past he is not with us . Q ego has sored sine his big contract , and his coaching has flat lined ..
- oldduffman

Ya, Q should have known like Stanbo did that Connor Murphy coming in was going to be such a big improvement over Hammer.

'Why get so angry and unappreciative Q, I'm giving you a better Dman to work with because I recognize on ice professional talent. That's why I have a degree from ND and you don't'.

Time will tell but this team is close to hitting rock bottom if not already there.....

Mngt saying next year will look very similar is alarming. As I have said before not sure what it will take to make majors changes but we are there people....hopefully Mngt can take their heads out of their asses and do something.
- Hawkster

You know when they say that I think about 2011,2012, and 2013. They had some turnover, but many players from 2011 to 2013 player better every year. 2013 we won about 23 in a row? This is a young team off boys that need to develop their games and become men. If Oesterle can put on 10 to 20 pounds and just be stronger I could see him becoming a top4 defenceman.

Of the next 6 games on the schedule, the only one I see us winning is the Ottawa game (even though 5 are at home). We can be deep down the standings by the TDL.
- 67hawks

Heck even with Ottawa, Matt Duchene has finally decided that he can play, so that game is in question even more.

Things certainly look grim but, it was fun while it lasted.

You know when they say that I think about 2011,2012, and 2013. They had some turnover, but many players from 2011 to 2013 player better every year. 2013 we won about 23 in a row? This is a young team off boys that need to develop their games and become men. If Oesterle can put on 10 to 20 pounds and just be stronger I could see him becoming a top4 defenceman.
- BetweenTheDots

Oesterle has a lot of promise, his O-zone play is almost totally fleshed out, great at getting pucks through.
His defensive zone/transition game needs a lot of work. He doesn't budge anyone, and pucks seem to get through his legs/stick area a little too easily. Needs to be harder to play against.