Total lack of understanding, hard stop.
- Der Kaiser

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Wrong .. you have to get high draft picks to get Talent

Unless you have a excellent scouting which I haven't seen in recent years
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Honest question. How many scouts do we have left from the Murray days?

Pens seem to draft and develop as well as anyone.

Did Botts bring any over?

Wrong .. you have to get high draft picks to get Talent

Unless you have a excellent scouting which I haven't seen in recent years
- GERBE!!!75PTS

You need both..

High draft picks don't mean anything if the organizational culture you bring them to is terrible.

The organizational culture I think is where Murray REALLY failed. Basic discipline didn't mean anything, in terms of performing your jobs during that time.

You need talent and organizational culture.

You can't have one without the other and experience success.

Wrong .. you have to get high draft picks to get Talent

Unless you have a excellent scouting which I haven't seen in recent years
- GERBE!!!75PTS

You need Talent that can play as a team.

Honest question. How many scouts do we have left from the Murray days?

Pens seem to draft and develop as well as anyone.
- Powerslave

I think everyone really hammers on the talent acquisition, but not on the development portion.

You see it with call the young kids up, let's see what they have.

Take Nylander for example, just because he's an 8th overall pick, he's done nothing in Roch to merit a call up.

Develop by keeping him there and make him WORK his way out.

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You need Talent that can play as a team.
- cabin

And don't force feed a player if he's not ready, which we've seen too much of here.

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- rcostel77

dominoes .

Pizza flavored is extra

And don't force feed a player if he's not ready, which we've seen too much of here.
- Powerslave

And don't force feed a player if he's not ready, which we've seen too much of here.
- Powerslave

We have seen a different team play the past few weeks . We know they can play. They know it now . Just need to bring it every game .

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- rcostel77

Just saw that too. Can they really give up something much here? With that contract? 4rd rounder and roster player to make room?

I think everyone really hammers on the talent acquisition, but not on the development portion.

You see it with call the young kids up, let's see what they have.

Take Nylander for example, just because he's an 8th overall pick, he's done nothing in Roch to merit a call up.

Develop by keeping him there and make him WORK his way out.
- gcomella34

Exactly. Some players just take longer to "get it".

Lay the foundation for next year.

I know....I know....no one wants to hear that.

But at some point, a culture of we have to work each and every night needs to be established.

Not just lose for high draft picks.
- gcomella34

You misunderstand me. I meant none of it matters because it's not 5v5.

I think everyone really hammers on the talent acquisition, but not on the development portion.

You see it with call the young kids up, let's see what they have.

Take Nylander for example, just because he's an 8th overall pick, he's done nothing in Roch to merit a call up.

Develop by keeping him there and make him WORK his way out.
- gcomella34

Al Ny is waiting for his call-up,then he's REALLY gonna start trying.

We have seen a different team play the past few weeks . We know they can play. They know it now . Just need to bring it every game .
- cabin

I still think we need a couple more leaders out there, but I agree. They're hanging with the best in the league. That being said, TRADE EVERYONE!

You misunderstand me. I meant none of it matters because it's not 5v5.
- JetpackJesus

Doh!

So Sorry...

I've gotta admit, I was seriously thinking you meant one of two things, either the season is over or special teams don't matter.

Had a 50-50 shot.

Like the rest of my life, I chose the wrong one.

My bad.

I still think we need a couple more leaders out there, but I agree. They're hanging with the best in the league. That being said, TRADE EVERYONE!
- Powerslave

Just saw that too. Can they really give up something much here? With that contract? 4rd rounder and roster player to make room?
- Lilroot9

Cheap ass Melnyk destroys his franchise - not that Princess Dion is a star but melnyk wont spend to win.

Doh!

So Sorry...

I've gotta admit, I was seriously thinking you meant one of two things, either the season is over or special teams don't matter.

Had a 50-50 shot.

Like the rest of my life, I chose the wrong one.

My bad.
- gcomella34

try hitting the reset button ?

Doh!

So Sorry...

I've gotta admit, I was seriously thinking you meant one of two things, either the season is over or special teams don't matter.

Had a 50-50 shot.

Like the rest of my life, I chose the wrong one.

My bad.
- gcomella34

No worries.

With my posts, when in doubt it's generally safe to assume sarcasm.

Cheap ass Melnyk destroys his franchise - not that Princess Dion is a star but melnyk wont spend to win.
- Der Kaiser

And he's not afraid to tell the fans that, either.

Just awful.

Cheap ass Melnyk destroys his franchise - not that Princess Dion is a star but melnyk wont spend to win.
- Der Kaiser

Gaborik coming back?

Exactly. Some players just take longer to "get it".
- Powerslave

When you look at the player development.

What could have been with Grigorenko if he was expected to stay in junior? and if he pulled the stuff he did saying he'd go to the KHL, Murray should have just held the line and say you're not ready for Buffalo or the NHL, same with Zadorov.

I really think Risto, Girgensons, and Reinhart could have benefited from more development time in the AHL and Murray sign a bunch of plugs for the short term to field a team and reinforce Roch.

Rochester being as bad as it was is what made this bad, there aren't many players across that two to three year period that are ready for the NHL.

I'm not really sold on Fasching, Bailey, or Baptiste as top 6 contributors. Bottom 6 MAYBE...

try hitting the reset button ?
- cabin

I aim the remote at her and say, I don't subscribe to the female dog channel, why is that the only selection I have right now?

Again comfy couch.

When you look at the player development.

What could have been with Grigorenko if he was expected to stay in junior? and if he pulled the stuff he did saying he'd go to the KHL, Murray should have just held the line and say you're not ready for Buffalo or the NHL, same with Zadorov.

I really think Risto, Girgensons, and Reinhart could have benefited from more development time in the AHL and Murray sign a bunch of plugs for the short term to field a team and reinforce Roch.

Rochester being as bad as it was is what made this bad, there aren't many players across that two to three year period that are ready for the NHL.

I'm not really sold on Fasching, Bailey, or Baptiste as top 6 contributors. Bottom 6 MAYBE...
- gcomella34

Totally.

Grigs had no business being up here. Girgensons at least looked like he could hang, but seems to have regressed.

I think we were so starved for a winner, for talent, etc that we were our own worst enemy in thinking that they'd step in and make a difference.