He's a highly conditioned professional athlete with the most modern nutrition and training techniques and aides. Are people really thinking the goalies of the 90's who averaged 70ish games a year were superhuman? Face it...we just got hit with bad luck, nobody is to blame
- juiced

You can't compare Brian Elliot to random goalies from the 90's. It's no where near the same. You have to look at his individual situation. He's never played more than 55 games and that was 7-8 years ago. He's also past his athletic prime. Your body naturally becomes accustom to your work load it's previously experienced. Coming in, I'm sure he wasn't told he was going to be a number one starter playing 60 games this season, which means he prepped for the season with different expectations.

In general however, there seems to be the lack of acknowledgment that overuse might have played a part in this injury. It's a real thing, it really happens and the situation is a prime example for this to have occurred.

Again, not saying that it's the main cause of injury, but there is a high degree of likelihood that overuse caused this injury. I don't understand why people can't admit that, it's crazy.

You can't compare Brian Elliot to random goalies from the 90's. It's no where near the same. You have to look at his individual situation. He's never played more than 55 games and that was 7-8 years ago. He's also past his athletic prime. Your body naturally becomes accustom to your work load it's previously experienced. Coming in, I'm sure he wasn't told he was going to be a number one starter playing 60 games this season, which means he prepped for the season with different expectations.

In general however, there seems to be the lack of acknowledgment that overuse might have played a part in this injury. It's a real thing, it really happens and the situation is a prime example for this to have occurred.

Again, not saying that it's the main cause of injury, but there is a high degree of likelihood that overuse caused this injury. I don't understand why people can't admit that, it's crazy.
- VladDrag

Ty

Man still going. Maybe we should have kept Mason or just re-sign Bryz.

You can't compare Brian Elliot to random goalies from the 90's. It's no where near the same. You have to look at his individual situation. He's never played more than 55 games and that was 7-8 years ago. He's also past his athletic prime. Your body naturally becomes accustom to your work load it's previously experienced. Coming in, I'm sure he wasn't told he was going to be a number one starter playing 60 games this season, which means he prepped for the season with different expectations.

In general however, there seems to be the lack of acknowledgment that overuse might have played a part in this injury. It's a real thing, it really happens and the situation is a prime example for this to have occurred.

Again, not saying that it's the main cause of injury, but there is a high degree of likelihood that overuse caused this injury. I don't understand why people can't admit that, it's crazy.
- VladDrag

abdominal wall muscles are among the strongest muscles in the body...its not a "breakdown" issue...its a force issue that causes that injury.

This reminded me....

Just what in the blue (frank) is "core muscle" surgery?

Is that the new term for a sports hernia?
- johndewar

No. Sports hernia is the old name for core muscle injury

This post should end this silly debate on whether Elliott was injured because it happens vs whether he played too much.



The bottom line is, he would have NOT gotten hurt if he didn't kick that 61 yarder in October.


End of story.

Yeah, I never said anything about coasting. Elliot is not having a strong statistical year and fatigue might be a contributing factor. He's about to be 33 and has been a split time starter for most of his career, so his body isn't used to this workload.

Like I said earlier: it's about discipline and understanding that decreasing your chances for a few wins in December is better than risking losing your starter due to fatigue. Just because you play a backup, doesn't mean the team is doomed to lose. It simply decreases your chances of winning by a few percentage points.

I wouldn't be bringing this up if it was just this season. Dating back to Berube, the Flyers have had problems with overplaying their starters for certain stretches. Mason struggled with nagging injuries that plagued him throughout his tenure here. I remember when he came back from surgery and was immediately given a bunch of games in a row without a night off. I remember Hak riding Neuvirth when he first signed here then Neuvirth getting hurt.

If you look back 5 seasons, the Flyers have had injuries to the starter AND the backup during most seasons. That's not normal.
- PhillySportsGuy

Not saying its directly related as I have no idea, but Jeff Reese's departure during this time is also rather peculiar.

Man still going. Maybe we should have kept Mason or just re-sign Bryz.
- arichardson22

This would be awesome

Columbus is a handful, 3 straight games 50 shots only the goalie and scoring talent of the leafs helped them win the game.

I dont see a win Friday, we can score but D and goal tending is another story.
- wcorvette

Bob has owned the Flyers since his trade. Add that to the fact that this game is in Columbus were we have perennially struggled, yeah it'll be tough to get the 2 points.

abdominal wall muscles are among the strongest muscles in the body...its not a "breakdown" issue...its a force issue that causes that injury.
- juiced

I can only assume it's a sports hernia.

from https://www.ncsf.org/enew...articles-sporthernia.aspx

The Athletic Pubalgia, more commonly known as a “sports hernia” is not actually a hernia by the defined medical classification. It is actually an overuse injury caused by repetitive tissue stress. This injury is predominately found in athletes who participate in sports or activities requiring repeated high speed twisting movements, fast direction changes and/or forceful kicking motions.

IE you do a lot of twisting one night, then again the next night then again at practice then again the next night. Body doesn't recover to 100% and eventually it stops functioning.

This would be awesome
- corduroy

I see him sometimes at home games, he's waiting for his chance

I can only assume it's a sports hernia.

from https://www.ncsf.org/enew...articles-sporthernia.aspx

The Athletic Pubalgia, more commonly known as a “sports hernia” is not actually a hernia by the defined medical classification. It is actually an overuse injury caused by repetitive tissue stress. This injury is predominately found in athletes who participate in sports or activities requiring repeated high speed twisting movements, fast direction changes and/or forceful kicking motions.

IE you do a lot of twisting one night, then again the next night then again at practice then again the next night. Body doesn't recover to 100% and eventually it stops functioning.
- VladDrag

so what you're saying is....

so what you're saying is....
- corduroy

Basically his injury was caused from too much repetitive movement/twisting and not enough rest.

The bottom line is Elliot is out 5-6 weeks. It's down to Neuvirth and Lyon to assume the goaltending duties. Neuvirth hasn't been the a shrine of healthiness either. He has his ups and his downs but he's having a pretty average season for him. Do the Flyers think they can ride him to the playoffs with Lyon filling in every once in a while? I don't know, I'm not in the Flyers' organization.

IMHO, I think they bring in a rental. Neuvirth is similar to Elliot in that most of his career he's been splitting time with another goaltender. I doubt the Flyers split time between Neuvirth and Lyon and instead make Neuvirth the workhorse, something that he's not used to.

Keep your eyes on Johnson.

I see him sometimes at home games, he's waiting for his chance
- arichardson22

I just posted yesterday I saw him and talked with him for a minute at Whole Foods. It's a sign...

Man still going. Maybe we should have kept Mason or just re-sign Bryz.
- arichardson22

Mason got two concussions this year and only played 11 games.

Stupid Jets clearly overused him.

Basically his injury was caused from too much repetitive movement/twisting and not enough rest.
- VladDrag

So what you're saying is his body was overtaxed from his workload?

So what you're saying is his body was overtaxed from his workload?
- corduroy

Objection, he's leading the witness.

The bottom line is Elliot is out 5-6 weeks. It's down to Neuvirth and Lyon to assume the goaltending duties. Neuvirth hasn't been the a shrine of healthiness either. He has his ups and his downs but he's having a pretty average season for him. Do the Flyers think they can ride him to the playoffs with Lyon filling in every once in a while? I don't know, I'm not in the Flyers' organization.

IMHO, I think they bring in a rental. Neuvirth is similar to Elliot in that most of his career he's been splitting time with another goaltender. I doubt the Flyers split time between Neuvirth and Lyon and instead make Neuvirth the workhorse, something that he's not used to.

Keep your eyes on Johnson.
- Streit2ThePoint

Sorry I don't eye up another man's Johnson.

Slow at work so I decided to look thru his stats. I looked thru is stats at 10 game increments.

1-10: 6-3-1; SV%.903; GAA ~2.90 (~601mins)

11-20: 1-3-5; SV%.913; GAA ~2.86 (~628 min)

21-30: 6-3-1; SV.930; GAA ~1.99 (603 mins)

31- 41: 8-2-0; SV. 888; GAA ~3.05 (628min)

His stats suggested he was trending in the right direction for the first 30 games played.

During that bolded stretch the last 8 games he played were consecutive games (Dec 12 thru 28), 8 games in 19 days. Coupled with the stats of the next 11 games, IF an injury occurred, it likely happened during that stretch of games.
- VladDrag

The injury didn't happen until January 23rd against Detroit.

You can't compare Brian Elliot to random goalies from the 90's. It's no where near the same. You have to look at his individual situation. He's never played more than 55 games and that was 7-8 years ago. He's also past his athletic prime. Your body naturally becomes accustom to your work load it's previously experienced. Coming in, I'm sure he wasn't told he was going to be a number one starter playing 60 games this season, which means he prepped for the season with different expectations.

In general however, there seems to be the lack of acknowledgment that overuse might have played a part in this injury. It's a real thing, it really happens and the situation is a prime example for this to have occurred.

Again, not saying that it's the main cause of injury, but there is a high degree of likelihood that overuse caused this injury. I don't understand why people can't admit that, it's crazy.
- VladDrag

Are you serious with this part? How would one go about this?

I really honestly want to know what you mean here. Do you say he is training less hard because he knows he will only be playing a certain amount of games? If not, how exactly would he prep differently than if he expected to play more?

Sorry I don't eye up another man's Johnson.
- dragonoffrost

If the price is right you have to consider.

That's an easy way to frame it now knowing Elliott will miss a month and a half. He's been the difference maker in net all season. He got ran into the ground because they couldn't count on Neuvirth.

If you're suggesting that Neuvy is the better goalie to ice given the option between the two I flat out disagree.
- hereticpride

They coouldn't count on Neuvirth when he was out for a month with a LBI. Elliott is going to miss 6 weeks with an LBI.

When Neuvirth was given the chance to play, he out performed Elliott.

So happy to find the debate still going strong on about overplaying a goalie...
UGH!!

So happy to find the debate still going strong on about overplaying a goalie...
UGH!!