It's not just looking at the results though. Even if a guy notches a shutout in the front half of a b2b in November, they still need to roll with the backup for the next game. It's about having discipline and trusting your backup.
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly right

Kings get rid of a useless player who is declining and maybe a 3rd/4th line center for Phaneuf and Thompson while also getting Ottawa to retain some money.

Phaneuf could be great addition as a 2nd pairing guy.
- J35Bacher

Ottawa killed any chance of this being a seller's market with that trade.

Buy Hexy, Buy.

Some quick thoughts since I haven't posted in a while and I know you're all dying to hear from me

1. They probably outplayed the Devils last night, but deserved their fate with their horrendous D zone coverage all night.

Agreed

2. Neuvirth needs to calm the (frank) down in net. He was all over the place

Agree big time, the one move that needs to be is trading for an upgrade in goal

3. I hope the Elliot injury spurs the Flyers to reconsider their goalie usage. I believe this is the 4th straight season the starter has missed significant time. They need to be better at giving the starters proper rest. Fatigue is often the cause of injury and playing the starter so many games in row has likely contributed to these injury problems.

Been saying this for years. The Brodeur types who can routinely and successfully play 20+ games in a row are few and far between. Hak has a poor track record when it comes to getting your #2 guy in often enough to keep the #1 both mentally and physically fresh

4. The Manning-Gudas pairing has been a mess lately. I'm sure people have complained enough about Sanheim being in LHV, but watching Manning when I know there is a better option is just painful.

Amen

5. I really hope the Flyers give their young guys an opportunity rather than trade for vets at the deadline. I truly believe there is some major upgrades available to them in the minors if they just get the chance.

Agree, though getting a better center to replace Filppula in the lineup would be nice. Other than that, just bring up Lindblom and insert him on the 3rd line, move Raffl down and sit Weise.

6. Would really like to see the Flyers take a renewed approach to shootouts. It's such a stupid thing, but they can't keep giving away points every season.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agreed. These need to be worked on at practice and I’d always have Giroux and probably Patrick as one of my 3 shooters.

There are a dozen goaltenders in the NHL who have played more minutes than Elliott has. He suffered some kind of muscle abdominal injury. Likely is the key word. It's just as likely that his usage had nothing to do with the injury.
- MJL

It's easy to say but as a coach and team you play who gives you best chance to win. Neuvirth wasn't lighting the world on fire and the team was playing well in front of Elliott. Players aren't dumb and know who is playing well and who is struggling.

Also they needed points.

It's easy to second guess now that he is hurt.

Ottawa killed any chance of this being a seller's market with that trade.

Buy Hexy, Buy.
- hereticpride

When i saw that I was like "Really? that's all they got?" If that's the price we could have offered MacDonald and Leier.

It's easy to say but as a coach and team you play who gives you best chance to win. Neuvirth wasn't lighting the world on fire and the team was playing well in front of Elliott. Players aren't dumb and know who is playing well and who is struggling.

Also they needed points.

It's easy to second guess now that he is hurt.
- J35Bacher

Yes and no. Hextall admitted that Elliott had core issues before and, at 33, he has a lot mileage on him. He’s also a guy who has never started more than 55 games in a season and even that was a long time ago. At the very least, he shouldn’t be starting both games of a back to back. It’s poor asset management.

Provorov looked mentally fatigued, Neuvy looked leaky and Gudas looked like Gudas.

It's easy to say but as a coach and team you play who gives you best chance to win. Neuvirth wasn't lighting the world on fire and the team was playing well in front of Elliott. Players aren't dumb and know who is playing well and who is struggling.

Also they needed points.

It's easy to second guess now that he is hurt.
- J35Bacher

Blaming the coaches usage of the player for the injury is simply nitpicking and poor analysis in my opinion.

There are a dozen goaltenders in the NHL who have played more minutes than Elliott has. He suffered some kind of muscle abdominal injury. Likely is the key word. It's just as likely that his usage had nothing to do with the injury.
- MJL

Elliott was on a pace to start 61 games this year. Blowing away his career high of 55 when he was in Ottawa at 25 years old. It’s even more likely he would start more games than that provided the playoff race they’re in.

When i saw that I was like "Really? that's all they got?" If that's the price we could have offered MacDonald and Leier.
- J35Bacher

20+ other fanbases saying the exact same thing now.

Ottawa should've just held onto him if that was the best offer they got. Probably could've gotten better value in moving him for picks at the draft.

Yes and no. Hextall admitted that Elliott had core issues before and, at 33, he has a lot mileage on him. He’s also a guy who has never started more than 55 games in a season and even that was a long time ago. At the very least, he shouldn’t be starting both games of a back to back. It’s poor asset management.
- BiggE

I don't think so. If Elliott is saying he is good to go and the team is winning he's going to play. He was more reliable then Neuvirth. If Neuvrith was more consistent or better I think the splits would have been better.

Elliott was on a pace to start 61 games this year. Blowing away his career high of 55 when he was in Ottawa at 25 years old. It’s even more likely he would start more games than that provided the playoff race they’re in.
- Just5

It's like relying on a forward to pot 25 goals in a season when at best he scored was 20 once, 7 years ago.

I won't say Hak is directly responsible for the injury. That's just nuts. But the more you start a guy with a history of not making it through seasons uninjured the more the likelihood you're going to end up with an injured player. Unfortunately for all parties involved they committed to a habitual injured list player as their backup which wouldn't leave any coach much choice but to ride Elliott into the ground.

20+ other fanbases saying the exact same thing now.

Ottawa should've just held onto him if that was the best offer they got. Probably could've gotten better value in moving him for picks at the draft.
- hereticpride

I know for Ottawa the owner is cheap so the savings comes in actually salary saved.

But Phaneuf could have been a solid add for the Flyers as a number 4 guy. Even Thompson is a solid PK and faceoff guy who could replace Lehtara or Weise.

I’m thinking Homer would have traded the entire farm system for Lundqvist or even Carrie Price at this point. lol

What a difference between him and Hexy.

Neuvirth was swimming all over the place last night. Unsettling to watch.

I do hope we see an influx of kids. Sanheim and the Swedish kid at least, but maybe NAK and Vechionne at some point.

Go Flyers.

I know for Ottawa the owner is cheap so the savings comes in actually salary saved.

But Phaneuf could have been a solid add for the Flyers as a number 4 guy. Even Thompson is a solid PK and faceoff guy who could replace Lehtara or Weise.
- J35Bacher

The savings in actual salary is actually minimal. I truly don't understand why they made this trade at first I assumed it was because they were using it as a cap dump to sign karlson. Maybe gaborik agreed to retire after the year or they told him they'd trade him for a bag of pucks too

I’m thinking Homer would have traded the entire farm system for Lundqvist or even Carrie Price at this point. lol

What a difference between him and Hexy.

Neuvirth was swimming all over the place last night. Unsettling to watch.

I do hope we see an influx of kids. Sanheim and the Swedish kid at least, but maybe NAK and Vechionne at some point.

Go Flyers.
- Marc D

You know, in my mind I can totally justify this team making a move for Hank. I just know no one here would be into it. Guy would be the perfect bridge to Hart. Get them to take Weise back in the deal and his cap hit isn't even really that concerning to me.

The savings in actual salary is actually minimal. I truly don't understand why they made this trade at first I assumed it was because they were using it as a cap dump to sign karlson. Maybe gaborik agreed to retire after the year or they told him they'd trade him for a bag of pucks too
- Tfaehner

But even that wouldn't you want at least some picks or a younger player? Something that looks like your trying to at least prepare for the future.


If i am Karlsson I look at this and think "how the hell is this helping us in the future?" I wouldn't want to stay long term their when i know i'll have offers from a lot of other places.

I doubt its Chad Johnson. Buffalo wants to move Lehner for a bigger return. They can't trade both of them.

I think it will be Mrazek. Hell, I could even see us getting Pavelec from the Rangers on the cheap.
- hereticpride

sure they can haha. Actually a few years ago the Islanders traded Chad Johnson (who had another year on his deal) for the pending UFA Neuvirth. Let's do it in reverse! (kidding) They have Ulmark in the AHL who looks to be a good goalie prospect.

You know, in my mind I can totally justify this team making a move for Hank. I just know no one here would be into it. Guy would be the perfect bridge to Hart. Get them to take Weise back in the deal and his cap hit isn't even really that concerning to me.
- hereticpride

Not a bad point. As his salary would be canceled out by having Hart on a rookie contract.

The issue is the Rags would want something such as:

1st round pick
Sanheim
2nd round pick
a prospect

To me, that is way to much to give up.

Not a bad point. As his salary would be canceled out by having Hart on a rookie contract.

The issue is the Rags would want something such as:

1st round pick
Sanheim
2nd round pick
a prospect

To me, that is way to much to give up.
- ggunky

He's still a great goalie, but worth that still? I don't think so. He's 35 after all.

My best offer would be something like
Rubstov
Weise
2018 3rd
2019 4th or 5th

20+ other fanbases saying the exact same thing now.

Ottawa should've just held onto him if that was the best offer they got. Probably could've gotten better value in moving him for picks at the draft.
- hereticpride

I don't think they would've traded him if they had a better offer in the works

You know, in my mind I can totally justify this team making a move for Hank. I just know no one here would be into it. Guy would be the perfect bridge to Hart. Get them to take Weise back in the deal and his cap hit isn't even really that concerning to me.
- hereticpride

Flyers 5-8 years ago they would totally do this

Now I doubt it.

We will see

Elliott was on a pace to start 61 games this year. Blowing away his career high of 55 when he was in Ottawa at 25 years old. It’s even more likely he would start more games than that provided the playoff race they’re in.
- Just5

I don't see how starting as many games as he did at the frequency he did (along with his age) wouldn't increase the risk of him getting hurt. I wouldn't say Hakstol is dumb for doing so, as neither of the other goalies gave him much of a choice, but the injury (injuries) isn't (aren't) surprising

(Puts PLind hat on)

FlyErs aRe thE OnlY tEaM iN PhilLy to L0se afTEr thE EagLES Won The suPer BOwl

Pathetic

Wow....Garth....

This is what he think the Sabres may be able to get for Lehner.


Lehner.

The Sabres have been scouting the Flyers in hopes of prying away one (or two) of their young D prospects in Samuel Morin or Travis Sanheim. Forward Travis Konecny (1st round 2015) is a young player that can infuse skill into Buffalo's top six forward group. Konecny, 20, has played 126 NHL games and has scored 24 goals and 32 assists for 56 point. In 56 games this season, Konecny has 13 goals and 16 assists and has tied his career high for points scored during a campaign.

Morin, the 11th overall pick in the 2013 NHL Draft, is a top four D. He is 6'7" and 230 lbs. and is very difficult to play against. Morin is a big man with heavy fists and soft hands. He plays in all situations.

Sanheim is was the 17th overall pick at the 2014 NHL Draft. Sanheim is 6'3" and 200 lbs. Sanheim has top four skill and can play in all situations. On Saturday night, Sanheim collected three assists in Lehigh Valley's 5-3 loss to the Rochester Amerks.