Just curious. In your opinion what was the first? I have a few that qualify as worse but JMO.

Also, say your guy elevated the Hawks to a playoff caliber team, do you think the result would have been different than last year? I mean clearly, he showed he was a difference maker in the playoffs, no?
- HawkintheD

i will pop in on that...thats easy...the phil esposito trade in 1967...and no the saad trade is not the second worst (YET)

"ace" ref wes Mcaully....aledgedly the the best ref in the league...he misses..

cogs coming in high with his stick...and this jerk is just coming off a suspension...

this is why nhl game and officials get the deservedly bad reputation...all 3 should have gotten unsportsmanlike minors with manson getting getting a 5 or 10...

league has stop this poop...esp 2 or 3 guys mugging another...

there is no team i continue to despise more over the last 5-6 years than the anaheim "punks" from asshat perry to the worthless thug female doga..

i am thrilled to see them lose year after year and gag on those contracts of perry, getzlaf and kesler...
- bogiedoc

If it was anyone other than Hartman, who has a habit of embarrassing the refs with his embelishing and cheap shots, the penalties might have been more reflective of what happened.

i will pop in on that...thats easy...the phil esposito trade in 1967...and no the saad trade is not the second worst (YET)
- bogiedoc

That would be my numero uno and I was a Pit Martin fan when I was a kid so that trade was slightly before my time and was too young and dumb to know what the history was.

Roenick for Zhamnov
Belfour for Tererri, Sykora and Dahlen
Chelios for Anders Ericsson
Dominck Hasek for Christian Ruutuu

All worse (way worse) than Panarin for Saad and that's just off memory.

Just curious. In your opinion what was the first? I have a few that qualify as worse but JMO.

Also, say your guy elevated the Hawks to a playoff caliber team, do you think the result would have been different than last year? I mean clearly, he showed he was a difference maker in the playoffs, no?
- HawkintheD

Esposito, Hodge and Stanfield to Boston on May 15 1967. They got Pit Martin and two other guys in return. Esposito scored more than 120 points 6 times for Boston. Kenny Hodge scored over 100 points twice and had a 50 goal season for Boston.

If it was anyone other than Hartman, who has a habit of embarrassing the refs with his embelishing and cheap shots, the penalties might have been more reflective of what happened.
- 6628

thats a fair point...but then the refs should be fired for officiating personalities instead of conduct...

hawks history.

Trading Panarin was the second worst trade in Blackhawks history.
Panarin has 46 points in 57 games. Saad has 25 points in 58 games. Panarin is very close to doubling what Saad has done. That is the standard of how players production is measured on this planet not just goals alone. If you think the Hawks don't need those extra points this season you have a singularly poor understanding of how NHL hockey works. Not only that but with Panarin we were in first place and without Panarin we are in last place and that is a stone cold fact buddy. Live with it.
- Savoy

More Hawks history: With Saad they won the Cup; with two years of Panarin they were out of the playoffs after the first round. That is another stone cold fact.

That would be my numero uno and I was a Pit Martin fan when I was a kid so that trade was slightly before my time and was too young and dumb to know what the history was.

Roenick for Zhamnov
Belfour for Tererri, Sykora and Dahlen
Chelios for Anders Ericsson
Dominck Hasek for Christian Ruutuu

All worse (way worse) than Panarin for Saad and that's just off memory.
- HawkintheD

pit martin was a very nice player and center but esposito was given away because of wirtz was upset by some comments espo made...

but lets be honest espo stays with the hawks anhas that kind scoring explosion...boston goes no where and the hawks win a couple of cups...ALAS...nod ..

the roenick trade was another dumb ass give away by wirtz and company...

pit martin was a very nice player and center but esposito was given away because of wirtz was upset by some comments espo made...

but lets be honest espo stays with the hawks anhas that kind scoring explosion...boston goes no where and the hawks win a couple of cups...ALAS...nod ..

the roenick trade was another dumb ass give away by wirtz and company...
- bogiedoc

No doubt about it. Like I said, predated my Hawk fandom/consciousness by a few years so when Boston won a Cup or two (can't remember how many) in the 70's I had no idea I should be pissed.

hawks history.

Trading Panarin was the second worst trade in Blackhawks history.
Panarin has 46 points in 57 games. Saad has 25 points in 58 games. Panarin is very close to doubling what Saad has done. That is the standard of how players production is measured on this planet not just goals alone. If you think the Hawks don't need those extra points this season you have a singularly poor understanding of how NHL hockey works. Not only that but with Panarin we were in first place and without Panarin we are in last place and that is a stone cold fact buddy. Live with it.
- Savoy

With Panarin - they also had Hossa.

They also had Crawford for most of the season.

They also had a more productive Toews, and a more productive Panik, a more productive Seabrook and Keith.

Saad has had a disastrous season - I’m guessing he bounces back to 20/25 g 50 p next season - but the trade wasn’t the only (and not likely even the most important) reason for this team’s missing the tournament.

That would be my numero uno and I was a Pit Martin fan when I was a kid so that trade was slightly before my time and was too young and dumb to know what the history was.

Roenick for Zhamnov
Belfour for Tererri, Sykora and Dahlen
Chelios for Anders Ericsson
Dominck Hasek for Christian Ruutuu

All worse (way worse) than Panarin for Saad and that's just off memory.
- HawkintheD

Those are all great players but individual guys. How many of those trades broke up arguably the highest scoring line in the entire league and not for only one year but two. Those don't come around very often. Might be 30 or more years until we have another one.

If it was anyone other than Hartman, who has a habit of embarrassing the refs with his embelishing and cheap shots, the penalties might have been more reflective of what happened.
- 6628

Just my anecdotal observation, but seems to me that when there is any k8nd of fisticuffs - even if one is (or 3 are) the aggressor(s) and the other innocently tries to avoid the fight - penalties are given to both teams.

With Panarin - they also had Hossa.

They also had Crawford for most of the season.

They also had a more productive Toews, and a more productive Panik, a more productive Seabrook and Keith.

Saad has had a disastrous season - I’m guessing he bounces back to 20/25 g 50 p next season - but the trade wasn’t the only (and not likely even the most important) reason for this team’s missing the tournament.
- StLBravesFan

I never said it was the only reason but IMO it's likely the biggest reason. It's also a fact just like I said. We had Crawford for a good part of this year. The decline of those other guys only makes the Panarin loss much worse.

No doubt about it. Like I said, predated my Hawk fandom/consciousness by a few years so when Boston won a Cup or two (can't remember how many) in the 70's I had no idea I should be pissed.
- HawkintheD

https://thehockeywriters....hicago-blackhawks-trades/

>>>At a team party after the 1966-67 season, a drunken Esposito told coach Billy Reay and GM Tommy Ivan “We’ve got a great team here, you could almost have a dynasty, but you two are gonna screw it up.”<<<

hawks management may have thrown several cups aways cuz they didn't check their emotions and their peavish reactionary responses at the door...

Those are all great players but individual guys. How many of those trades broke up arguably the highest scoring line in the entire league and not for only one year but two. Those don't come around very often. Might be 30 or more years until we have another one.
- Savoy

Different trades. Two Vezina winning goalies and a Norris winning dman vs Kaner's arm candy. Don't get me wrong, i liked Panarin but aside from the crappy year Saad has had I think he is a far better return than any of the other trades I listed.

I think your estimation of where the trade lies as far as bad Hawk trades is fuled by Saad's bad season. If he falls further off the map I might agree but FFS it's one season. I still think the Hawks did ok on that deal long term.

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-5-worst-chicago-blackhawks-trades/

>>>At a team party after the 1966-67 season, a drunken Esposito told coach Billy Reay and GM Tommy Ivan “We’ve got a great team here, you could almost have a dynasty, but you two are gonna screw it up.”<<<

hawks management may have thrown several cups aways cuz they didn't check their emotions and their peavish reactionary responses at the door...
- bogiedoc

Thanks for the link. Looks like I had four of the five. I thought Brent Sutter was pretty decent as a Hawk but forgot we gave up Thomas for him. I liked Stumpy a lot!

Thanks for the link. Looks like I had four of the five. I thought Brent Sutter was pretty decent as a Hawk but forgot we gave up Thomas for him. I liked Stumpy a lot!
- HawkintheD

I always held Sutter accountable for the loss of Thomas

With Panarin you have the highest scoring line in the NHL and without him you have zip. Cost certainty is propaganda. There will be dozens of transactions which are opportunities to raise money for Panarin before his contract expires. Example Hossa money, retirements, trades, buyouts etc etc. This was not a hockey trade. IMO it was a retribution trade for losing in the first round. So who got traded? Strangely only guys who were easiest to trade because they didn't have protection in their contracts. JMO.

I always held Sutter accountable for the loss of Thomas
- PatShart

Ditto.

Different trades. Two Vezina winning goalies and a Norris winning dman vs Kaner's arm candy. Don't get me wrong, i liked Panarin but aside from the crappy year Saad has had I think he is a far better return than any of the other trades I listed.

I think your estimation of where the trade lies as far as bad Hawk trades is fuled by Saad's bad season. If he falls further off the map I might agree but FFS it's one season. I still think the Hawks did ok on that deal long term.
- HawkintheD

I don't think Saad is a bad player. I think he's in a slump and have said so on this board but he will never replace Panarin So who's Kane's arm candy now? Who was the most upset Hawk losing Panarin? I provided links a couple days ago. How did Kane lead the league in scoring in 2015. Simple it was the addition of Panarin who was 9th in the league that year and 11th in the league the next year. How many other guys come to the Hawks and score more than 70 points their first two years in a row and win the Calder? It was a horrible trade Saad aside. You simply don't throw away a player like Panarin. Period.

thats a fair point...but then the refs should be fired for officiating personalities instead of conduct...
- bogiedoc

I'm with ya Bogie, but that's life in the big city no matter if we like it or not.

With Panarin you have the highest scoring line in the NHL and without him you have zip. Cost certainty is propaganda. There will be dozens of transactions which are opportunities to raise money for Panarin before his contract expires. Example Hossa money, retirements, trades, buyouts etc etc. This was not a hockey trade. IMO it was a retribution trade for losing in the first round. So who got traded? Strangely only guys who were easiest to trade because they didn't have protection in their contracts. JMO.
- Savoy

That highest scoring line trophy is amazing, I'll admit it

pit martin was a very nice player and center but esposito was given away because of wirtz was upset by some comments espo made...

but lets be honest espo stays with the hawks anhas that kind scoring explosion...boston goes no where and the hawks win a couple of cups...ALAS...nod ..

the roenick trade was another dumb ass give away by wirtz and company...
- bogiedoc

We can discuss this further at a later date. I'm busy with a work project that's busting my balls. But there are some facts that very few people consider regarding the Roenick trade.

We can discuss this further at a later date. I'm busy with a work project that's busting my balls. But there are some facts that very few people consider regarding the Roenick trade.
- 6628

I am probably aware and agree there were other things in play when Roenick wanted out

Plus Roenick wasn't the same player when he left and after his knee injury

That highest scoring line trophy is amazing, I'll admit it
- PatShart

Pat, I think you are terrific but perhaps you need either less alcohol or more alcohol.